Red Youth Signs

[Wiesty]

Ok, so ive just recently started getting the site back up, and wit will be an on ground society soon, as well as joining with the socialist action youth.

And ive made some signs to put around town to get people to join or visit the site

[Wiesty]

heres another

[bolshevik butcher]

nice images.

[Bolshevist]

Why do you carry pictures of Ernesto Guevara and Mao Zedong when you say at the front page: "Whether your a Communist, Socialist, Anarchist or anything leftist (Nazi and Stalinist Fucks not included) Your always Welcome Here." ?

[Wiesty]

whats ur point, they are all leftist

[Bolshevist]

They are all what you would call Stalinist

[Wiesty]

no my friend, Mao was communist not stalinist, che was socialist not stalinist

[Enragé]

Mao was MAOist (surprising isnt it), but which is alot like stalinism, therefore, IT SUCKS :P

[Colombia]

Stalinism, Maoist, Guevarists.

In the end they all try for one goal.

Communism

[ZeroPain]

Stalinism, Maoist, Guevarists.

In the end they all try for one goal.

Communism

No question that stalinists think they are striveing for communism but the facts point aginst it.

Maoism is more or less a branch of stalinism

Che's personal feelings on stalinism veryed thoughout his life but his later writeings suggest he wasnt feeling the stalin thing.



THE WORKING CLASS IS MY *****- $[email protected]


Wtf :lol: :D

[Bolshevist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 12:32 AM
no my friend, Mao was communist not stalinist, che was socialist not stalinist
Mao thought of Stalin as a classic and encouraged people to study his writings and Ernesto Guevara used to sign letters with "Stalin II" and often referred to Stalin as "Papa Stalin" etc...

[Wiesty]

so what ur saying is that i have to support stalin to support che.

then u can suck ma dick

"my mistake"

Edit: why cant i ever make a simple graphics forum without getting into a debate about my leftist stance, for fuks sakes

[bed_of_nails]

Seeing as how you have an avatar of Castro, I am going to hope you got your phrase backwards.

[Bolshevist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2005, 12:06 AM
so what ur saying is that i have to support stalin to support che.

then u can suck ma dick

"my mistake"

Edit: why cant i ever make a simple graphics forum without getting into a debate about my leftist stance, for fuks sakes
Listen kid, I find it strange that on the first page of your site you are saying that Stalinist fucks are not welcome, yet your seem to uphold several of them. If you truly are so anti-Stalin, you should remove the pictures of those communists.

[ZeroPain]

Or you should get your ideology straight before you make a site for it.

[Enragé]

hey, CHE was fucking anti stalinist (perhaps he did not know that it was stalin he was against, but he was) because he once said all forms of imperialism are evil, INCLUDING THE SOVIET ONE! (and stalinism also includes "stalinist imperialism")

[Hiero]

Wiesty you will not find one Maoist who doesn't support Stalin.

[Wiesty]

Maos methods were stupid, but i respect him for starting communism in china (whatever kinda communism i dont know) but i give credit to lenin for starting it in russia. Those guys werent stalinists. There were no such things as stalinists when he was living, it came after he died, thats like for modern day, saying your a castroist.

[RedStarOverChina]

Nice pictures.

Wiesty as for Maoism, i know quite a bit about it http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=34985

Heres the thread discussing Maoism. u guys are welcomed to join in.

actually Mao hated Stalin to the guts...he only defended some of Stalins policies when he feared that Kruschev was bringing capitalism back into USSR.

As for Stalin, I dont think I like him but i still have a open mind on the issue. Im reading his biography and by the time im finished i hope i could form a fair and conclusive opinion on him. The propaganda both for and against him are too strong. I dont wanna be under the influence of those anymore.



Although Che admired Stalin, there is no way u could classify him as a Stalinist by any means(either his policies or his practices).

I think he was more of a Maoist (guerilla wars, concentrating on rural areas as the basis of revolution instead of cities). But his philosophy seems differ from Mao(such as views on internal struggles within the party)

Its hard to characterize so lets just call him a Guevaraist.

[Bolshevist]

actually Mao hated Stalin to the guts...he only defended some of Stalins policies when he feared that Kruschev was bringing capitalism back into USSR.

I do not think that that is entierly correct. Have you read Mao's analysis on Stalin, 30% bad 70% good? He recognized Stalin's errors but he upheld him as a Marxist-Leninist.



Although Che admired Stalin, there is no way u could classify him as a Stalinist by any means(either his policies or his practices).

Why did he call himself Stalin II, he often refered to Stalin as 'Papa Stalin' and several times praised Stalin in various Latin American magazines etc? I also always thought that revisionism in the USSR was one of the reasons for him leaving Cuba.

[ZeroPain]

You have to understand that at that time most people regarded stalin as a hero of the working class and che was no different but his very late writeings suggest his opinions had changed quite a bit.

[RedStarOverChina]

Like I said, Mao believe that after Stalins death, USSR became officially an capitalist and imperialist country...so he had to defend Stalin to criticize Kruschev.

Just because u like someone doesnt mean u are like him. Stalin must have liked Marx but i dont think u can call him a Marxist(he is a Marx-Leninist, im 90% sure. According to contemporary defination of that term, anyways)

In Ches youth, the IMAGE of Stalin attracted many left wing radicals like Che. It was that day and age, what can u do.

[RedAnarchist]

Yes. Its like Che was homophobic - that was the way it was in Latin America at the time. We cannot judge past genertaions by our standards.

[Wiesty]

well i and everyone can judge stalin all we want. Its not like the proper thing to do back then was to be genoicidal.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Maos methods were stupid, but i respect him for starting communism in china (whatever kinda communism i dont know) but i give credit to lenin for starting it in russia. Those guys werent stalinists. There were no such things as stalinists when he was living, it came after he died, thats like for modern day, saying your a castroist.

There's no such thing as "communism in China".

[Wiesty]

thats exactly what i was getting to....