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refuse_resist
30th April 2005, 07:37
Pat Tillman is not a hero: He got what was coming to him

By Rene Gonzalez
April 28, 2004

When the death of Pat Tillman occurred, I turned to my friend who was watching the news with me and said, "How much you want to bet they start talking about him as a 'hero' in about two hours?" Of course, my friend did not want to make that bet. He'd lose. In this self-critical incapable nation, nothing but a knee-jerk "He's a hero" response is to be expected.

I've been mystified at the absolute nonsense of being in "awe" of Tillman's "sacrifice" that has been the American response. Mystified, but not surprised. True, it's not everyday that you forgo a $3.6 million contract for joining the military. And, not just the regular army, but the elite Army Rangers. You know he was a real Rambo, who wanted to be in the "real" thick of things. I could tell he was that type of macho guy, from his scowling, beefy face on the CNN pictures. Well, he got his wish. Even Rambo got shot in the third movie, but in real life, you die as a result of being shot. They should call Pat Tillman's army life "Rambo 4: Rambo Attempts to Strike Back at His Former Rambo 3 Taliban Friends, and Gets Killed."

But, does that make him a hero? I guess it's a matter of perspective. For people in the United States, who seem to be unable to admit the stupidity of both the Afghanistan and Iraqi wars, such a trade-off in life standards (if not expectancy) is nothing short of heroic. Obviously, the man must be made of "stronger stuff" to have had decided to "serve" his country rather than take from it. It's the old JFK exhortation to citizen service to the nation, and it seems to strike an emotional chord. So, it's understandable why Americans automatically knee-jerk into hero worship.

However, in my neighborhood in Puerto Rico, Tillman would have been called a "pendejo," an idiot. Tillman, in the absurd belief that he was defending or serving his all-powerful country from a seventh-rate, Third World nation devastated by the previous conflicts it had endured, decided to give up a comfortable life to place himself in a combat situation that cost him his life. This was not "Ramon or Tyrone," who joined the military out of financial necessity, or to have a chance at education. This was a "G.I. Joe" guy who got what was coming to him. That was not heroism, it was prophetic idiocy.

Tillman, probably acting out his nationalist-patriotic fantasies forged in years of exposure to Clint Eastwood and Rambo movies, decided to insert himself into a conflict he didn't need to insert himself into. It wasn't like he was defending the East coast from an invasion of a foreign power. THAT would have been heroic and laudable. What he did was make himself useful to a foreign invading army, and he paid for it. It's hard to say I have any sympathy for his death because I don't feel like his "service" was necessary. He wasn't defending me, nor was he defending the Afghani people. He was acting out his macho, patriotic crap and I guess someone with a bigger gun did him in.

Perhaps it's the old, dreamy American thought process that forces them to put sports greats and "larger than life" sacrificial lambs on the pedestal of heroism, no matter what they've done. After all, the American nation has no other role to play but to be the cheerleaders of the home team; a sad role to have to play during conflicts that suffer from severe legitimacy and credibility problems.

Matters are a little clearer for those living outside the American borders. Tillman got himself killed in a country other than his own without having been forced to go over to that country to kill its people. After all, whether we like them or not, the Taliban is more Afghani than we are. Their resistance is more legitimate than our invasion, regardless of the fact that our social values are probably more enlightened than theirs. For that, he shouldn't be hailed as a hero, he should be used as a poster boy for the dangerous consequences of too much "America is #1," frat boy, propaganda bull. It might just make a regular man irrationally drop $3.6 million to go fight in a conflict that was anything but "self-defense." The same could be said of the unusual belief of 50 percent of the American nation that thinks Saddam Hussein was behind Sept. 11. One must indeed stand in awe of the amazing success of the American propaganda machine. It works wonders.

Al-Qaeda won't be defeated in Afghanistan, even if we did kill all their operatives there. Only through careful and logical changing of the underlying conditions that allow for the ideology to foster will Al-Qaeda be defeated. Ask the Israelis if 50 years of blunt force have eradicated the Palestinian resistance. For that reason, Tillman's service, along with that of thousands of American soldiers, has been wrongly utilized. He did die in vain, because in the years to come, we will realize the irrationality of the War on Terror and the American reaction to Sept. 11. The sad part is that we won't realize it before we send more people like Pat Tillman over to their deaths.

Rene Gonzalez is a UMass graduate student.

http://media.dailycollegian.com/pages/till...ml?in_archive=1 (http://media.dailycollegian.com/pages/tillman_lobandwidth.html?in_archive=1)

encephalon
30th April 2005, 09:38
quite to the point. :D

Nothing Human Is Alien
30th April 2005, 10:06
You know that when Rene wrote that he got ALOT of shit @ UMASS.. he was facing death threats among other things.. that was a big issue there at the time (spring 2004)

marxist_socialist_aussie
30th April 2005, 10:19
it is pretty much right on though. I do hate the knee jerk reactions that sometimes occur in regard to the military. Just because you die, it doesn't automatically make you a hero. Boy though, that would have got him in the shits, good on him though for saying it.

bolshevik butcher
30th April 2005, 12:31
He's a hero to the american imperaili$ts, las he died for there cause. Che is a hero to us, as he died for our cause.

viva le revolution
30th April 2005, 12:49
Completely agree with you guys! Pat Tillman wasn't a hero by any standards. He was spoiled rich kid who wanted to see a little blood, he saw it all right!

LSD
1st May 2005, 03:18
Who the hell is Pat Tilleman?

Colombia
1st May 2005, 06:24
I think he was a football player.

THis happened a long time ago last year so why bring it up?

Totalitarian Militant
1st May 2005, 07:05
I mean, I respect him because he was inspired after 5000 civilians were killed.......

.........but he was no hero. Just a football player.

refuse_resist
1st May 2005, 11:48
Originally posted by Lysergic Acid [email protected] 1 2005, 02:18 AM
Who the hell is Pat Tilleman?
http://www.azreporter.com/media/2/tillman-port.jpg

http://www.patriotsforbush.com/tillman.jpg

He played for the football team the Arizona Cardinals, but later quit playing for them and joined the army to become a ranger, which are considered "elite infantry". After his death was hyped up, they later found out he died from someone who killed him who was on the same side as him.

Nothing Human Is Alien
1st May 2005, 12:26
Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 10:48 AM
After his death was hyped up, they later found out he died from someone who killed him who was on the same side as him.
Really? That's somthing I never heard -- where'd you hear that? Not doubting you, just wondering.

Shevek
1st May 2005, 14:30
Hero, no not really. But I do admire him for one thing, he could have remained a football player if he wanted to, but he didn't. He could have just avoided all the bloodshed and death. But he didn't. You can't say he was another one of these jackass neocons who start a war and let poor people fight it.

By the way, don't criticise the man just because YOU hate the war. I, personally, think that we needed to attack al-Qaeda (note: I think that the IRAQ war was stupid, because it had absolutly nothing to do with Al-Qaeda) or else terrorists would have just repeated attacking us because they thought we were pacifist wussies who wouldn't stick up for themselves when they were attacked. Besides apparently Pat Tillman thought that the War in Afghanistan was nessecary, and you should respect his opinions and decisions based on said opinions

dso79
1st May 2005, 16:15
I, personally, think that we needed to attack al-Qaeda

You can’t attack “al-Qaeda”. It’s not a single entity, but a collection of small cells operating all over the world. The war against Afghanistan hasn’t stopped al-Qaeda. In fact, it may even have made them stronger.


or else terrorists would have just repeated attacking us because they thought we were pacifist wussies who wouldn't stick up for themselves when they were attacked.

Yes, I’m sure that the prospect of a counterattack has deterred many suicide bombers...


Besides apparently Pat Tillman thought that the War in Afghanistan was nessecary, and you should respect his opinions and decisions based on said opinions

The opinion that the war against Afghanistan was necessary has led to the deaths of thousands of Afghan civilians, and therefore I don’t respect it.

Reuben
1st May 2005, 16:38
Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 01:30 PM
Hero, no not really. But I do admire him for one thing, he could have remained a football player if he wanted to, but he didn't. He could have just avoided all the bloodshed and death. But he didn't. You can't say he was another one of these jackass neocons who start a war and let poor people fight it.

By the way, don't criticise the man just because YOU hate the war. I, personally, think that we needed to attack al-Qaeda (note: I think that the IRAQ war was stupid, because it had absolutly nothing to do with Al-Qaeda) or else terrorists would have just repeated attacking us because they thought we were pacifist wussies who wouldn't stick up for themselves when they were attacked. Besides apparently Pat Tillman thought that the War in Afghanistan was nessecary, and you should respect his opinions and decisions based on said opinions
The fascists in spanish civil war felt that the elimination of the republican governent was 'necessay'. Many even acted on those opinions in a way that you may consider self-sacrificial and brave
SHould we respect their opinions and the way they acted on those opinions. If we simply judge peoples actions against their own opinions we can end up 'respecting' the full range of reactioariies and nutjobs.

codyvo
1st May 2005, 17:09
Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 01:30 PM
Hero, no not really. But I do admire him for one thing, he could have remained a football player if he wanted to, but he didn't. He could have just avoided all the bloodshed and death. But he didn't. You can't say he was another one of these jackass neocons who start a war and let poor people fight it.

By the way, don't criticise the man just because YOU hate the war. I, personally, think that we needed to attack al-Qaeda (note: I think that the IRAQ war was stupid, because it had absolutly nothing to do with Al-Qaeda) or else terrorists would have just repeated attacking us because they thought we were pacifist wussies who wouldn't stick up for themselves when they were attacked. Besides apparently Pat Tillman thought that the War in Afghanistan was nessecary, and you should respect his opinions and decisions based on said opinions
I agree entirely. A hero is only what you make a hero to be. We might not have thought that he was fighting for the right cause but at least he was fighting for his cause so, is he a hero to me, no. But he is a hero to thousands of others who have diffrant opinions. Also, I too respect that he had morals, he felt it was more important to fight for justice (in his definition of justice) than to remain one of the bystanders and just get stupid little bumper stickers that say you support the troops.

Shevek
1st May 2005, 17:43
Thanks codyvo.

As for you dso79, you MIGHT not be able to attack Al-Qaeda as a whole, but you can at least you can try or else these pests will keep coming to attack us and as for your sarcastic suicide bomber comment, was thinking that maybe we could kill the suicide bombers BEFORE they reached thier target. By the way, grow up, when there's a war civilians die. Its impossible not to have collateral damages. And yet there are a few rare incidents when war is nessecary, always when the war is provoked by an unprovoked attack. You can't live without wars because there will always be some bastard on the planet who thinks that we need wars and it only takes one to start a war. It's not pretty, it's not nice, it's not utopian, it's not what people want to believe...but it's true. All we can do is have as few wars and civilian casualties as possible.

And Rueben, allow me to clarify my opinion of opinons. You should respect other peoples opinions when they have no affect on your opinions. Pat Tillman thinking that the War in Afghanistan is not the same as the Fascists thinking that all non-fascists should be executed.

dso79
1st May 2005, 21:23
As for you dso79, you MIGHT not be able to attack Al-Qaeda as a whole, but you can at least you can try or else these pests will keep coming to attack us and as for your sarcastic suicide bomber comment, was thinking that maybe we could kill the suicide bombers BEFORE they reached thier target.

The 9/11 hijackers lived in western countries when they planned the attacks; the pilots learned to fly in the US. So even if the US had invaded Afghanistan before 9/11, that would not have prevented the attacks. The militants that the US are fighting in Afghanistan now are not the ones who are most likely to carry out an attack inside the US.

refuse_resist
2nd May 2005, 03:08
Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 01:30 PM
Hero, no not really. But I do admire him for one thing, he could have remained a football player if he wanted to, but he didn't. He could have just avoided all the bloodshed and death. But he didn't. You can't say he was another one of these jackass neocons who start a war and let poor people fight it.

By the way, don't criticise the man just because YOU hate the war. I, personally, think that we needed to attack al-Qaeda (note: I think that the IRAQ war was stupid, because it had absolutly nothing to do with Al-Qaeda) or else terrorists would have just repeated attacking us because they thought we were pacifist wussies who wouldn't stick up for themselves when they were attacked. Besides apparently Pat Tillman thought that the War in Afghanistan was nessecary, and you should respect his opinions and decisions based on said opinions
I'm not seeing what I think I'm seeing am I? :lol:

Are you some kind of apologist for imperialism?

What's going on in Afghanistan has nothing to do with "attacking al-CIAda". That's just a front to get people to blindly support imperialist interventions against third world countries.

bushdog
5th May 2005, 14:33
any one who joins the military should expect to get killed, that is there job to follow orders blindly and die for capitalism. what else do they expect?

Colombia
5th May 2005, 15:31
Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 01:33 PM
any one who joins the military should expect to get killed, that is there job to follow orders blindly and die for capitalism. what else do they expect?
No one joins with that idea in mind!

Commie Girl
5th May 2005, 17:15
Originally posted by CompaneroDeLibertad+May 1 2005, 05:26 AM--> (CompaneroDeLibertad @ May 1 2005, 05:26 AM)
[email protected] 1 2005, 10:48 AM
After his death was hyped up, they later found out he died from someone who killed him who was on the same side as him.
Really? That's somthing I never heard -- where'd you hear that? Not doubting you, just wondering. [/b]
Army 'hid truth of Tillman death'

US army officials withheld information about the death of NFL star turned soldier Pat Tillman, a US military investigation has reportedly found.
Tillman died in Afghanistan in 2004 and for weeks afterwards US army officials said he was killed by enemy fire.

But army chiefs knew he had in fact been shot by fellow US troops, a report carried by the Washington Post says.

The truth about his death was concealed and evidence, such as his uniform, destroyed, the military report claimed.

Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4516025.stm)

fuerzasocialista
5th May 2005, 20:18
Tillman's death was exploited as a propaganda tool by the imperialists in order to "inspire" American youth to recruit into the armed forces. The American public however is trained to believe everything that the U$ media tells them so they'll keep revering him as long as its convenient and inspires more kids to want to kill poor people half way around thew world.