This Is Cuba?

[pa bajo con euda]

http://www.therealcuba.com/
http://www.therealcuba.com/page2.htm
http://www.therealcuba.com/Page16.htm

browse through it, there are my links on the page




comments on this anyone?

how many people actually like castro here?

[redstar2000]

This shit belongs in Opposing Ideologies.

As do you! :angry:

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[pa bajo con euda]

i never oposed socialism or castro, as a matter of fact i like it, i just wanted a reaction, so try to make sure you know what you're saying :P

[1936]

Why is this dude restricted member? hes done nothing wrong.

[1936]

hey im new here and ive been checking these forums for a bit of time now. i am young and i do not like this country, capitalism or any of that. im not totaly comunist/socialist tho. i want to do more study on these topics before i decide what i really am

[Enragé]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 01:53 PM
This shit belongs in Opposing Ideologies.

As do you! :angry:

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uhm who says he agrees with the site?

[Dwarf Kirlston]

that does look like cuba... doesnt look bad either...


you should take a look at Latin American cities...
it might look bad if all you know is US and Canada, maybe even Mexico...


the touristy parts in many places look nice, but for most of the people life sucks.

And yes, Landfills exist and paint peels.

[bed_of_nails]

pa bajo con euda, there are several aspects you must take into account before you go about juding the physical appearances of Cuba.

The first aspect is that before Castro, the United Fruit Company and the Mafia ruled the Cuban economy. UFC had horrible pay, workers benefits (if any), and a harsh environment where people would be forced to work for extensive hours. the UFC controlled most of Latin America before Castro, and the conditions for the workers were even worse.

The Mafia ran the casinos in Cuba, and prostitution was rampant due to that. Think about having the Mafia in your home town. If the mob wants something, it takes it.

The second aspect is that Cuba has been cut off from trading with most countries since the collapse of the Soviet Union (and they really didnt get enough to survive from the Soviets. The Soviets also collapsed partially due to lack of resources). Cuba is lacking in the outside products it needs. An island the size of Cuba cannot just suddenly become completely self-sufficient and produce everything it needs when it never did before.

The third aspect of this viewpoint relies on the knowledge that Cuba has an amazing education system. Cuba is turning out doctors and other extremely educated people better than any other country.

I hope this has given you a nudge in the pro-Castro direction.

[bolshevik butcher]

From what i've read cuba does seem a bit stalinist. However venuzuela, now there's socialism in action.

[Bolshevist]

How can Venezuela be socialist when they operate with a market and private property (obviously) exists?

[Colombia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 09:15 PM
How can Venezuela be socialist when they operate with a market and private property (obviously) exists?
Because socialism in the beginning stages still have them?

[Bolshevist]

While it is progressive, it is nothing more than reformism, and socialism cannot be constructed that way.

[Totalitarian Militant]

How come nobody here can accept someone with a different opinion?
Are you all self concious?

[waltersm]

I think most anti castro sentiment is caused my capitalist propaganda but I disagree with his methods.

Castro is not the head of gevernment, that is the democartically elected revolutionary council (all communist, somehting I disagree with) any of castro's orders can be brought to referendum if you can gather 5% or 10% of voters signatures.

[JazzRemington]

I have to disagree with the third link's assertion that Cuba is a fascist state. Technically, Fascism implies a form of government with, amongst other things, heads of corporations "in" with the State. I'm not sure if Castro's Cuba can be considered as such.

[pa bajo con euda]

Alright...

I am pro-castro, pro-socalisn, anti-ccapitalism, i just wanted a reaction from people. please dont think that i am showing everyone how bad cuba is, cause i dont think it is bad, i just wanted to kno if this site was bulshit or not, thank you

[bed_of_nails]

Sorry, the advice I previously had here was no help. You might want to send a private message to one of the Administrators and explain this situation.

[Paradox]

What do you think now? Is Castro a fascist or a communist?

In my opinion, Castro is more fascist than Pinochet, Batista, Franco, Trujillo, Stroessner, Pérez Jiménez and Mussolini, combined!

:lol: :lol:

I'm no big supporter of Castro, but this right here is one of the stupidest things I've ever read!!!

[1936]

Who said that?

[bed_of_nails]

Go check out the site. That site is full of shit.

[RedCeltic]

Links to this anti-Cuba propaganda website have been posted before.... and the person who started this thread would have known full well that this is anti-Cuba trash and only posted the links because he is a right wing bonehead that thinks we are stupid enough to buy his backpeddeling lies lol...

When this showed up the first time here on che-lives... like two or three years ago I said then that I could post photos of the neighborhood I live in that look much worse than those photos....

It is true that not alot of new construction is taking place in Cuba... what about an economic embargo do you not understand? You expect building materials to come from where?

The Cubans do a great job in doing well with what resources they have. Automobiles are well preserved works of art from the '50s, parts are often reproduced by hand. Buildings are repaired and kept in good shape.

Sometimes buildings fall apart, this is true, and if you doubt that buildings could possibly be neglected and abandoned within a capitalist countery... come walk around the streets of New York Sometime.

[bed_of_nails]

I apologize that I defended him and tried to help him become unrestricted then. I had assumed that he was an honest commie who was confused for a capitalist.

[RedCeltic]

bed_of_nails

It is possible that the idividual had simply not explained his reasoning for posting the link. However it should have been obvious to him what the website was about and what the reation would be of it.

RedStar may have been a bit too quick to restrict him however I'm not about to counter the decision of another Admin... expecially since I have only recently returned from being inactive for a long time.


pa bajo con euda will have to send a message to RedStar and explain himself... sorry.

[NovelGentry]

Looks quite similar to a city that's about 2 miles away from me, and parts of a city that will be in the city I'm moving to. I live in Massachusetts.

[coda]

Them are BIG cockroaches! I think I'll stay here up North.

Those hospital pics and infrastructure pics is great pro-communist leverage against the murderous US embargo and all the rest of the nations that are being blackballed into not dropping $$$ into Cuba's economy. Yes, the US has turned the once beautiful thriving Revolutionary Cuba into a third-world dive. It's disgraceful. But the Cuban people will not be bought or sold for some seedy Capitalism.

[redstar2000]

The homepage of that site calls on Americans not to buy Citgo gasoline because it's owned by the Venezuelan government. :o

So I did not even look at the pictures...it was a self-evident gusano site.

No one here would post a link to it "without comment"...except someone who agreed with it.

I think "pa bajo con euda" is a gusano or, more likely, the offspring of gusanos.

Perhaps he came here out of curiosity -- to "see the face of the enemy".

But he belongs in this forum and this forum only.

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[RedCeltic]

No one here would post a link to it "without comment"...except someone who agreed with it.


That’s just about what my gut instinct tells me as well.

... actually I didn't even open the link as I knew from the URL what was there... The Citgo thing is fairly new I assume...

[pa bajo con euda]

this is the most iliterate forums ive ever been on

i wanted a reaction from you people, how many more times do i have to say it? i wanted to kno if this is how cuba really is, and i wanted to see what you guys would say about the website, thats al, if you read my first post it says i am anti-capitalist, and dont be callin me no gusano...

[1936]

The dude saw something that offended him and was interested in how incredibly incorrect it was.

If i linked commies for kerry would you restrict me? even though hundreds of people on here already have.

And what the hell is a gusano?

[(R)evolution of the mind]

Admittedly the message that started this thread was badly worded, but if you look at this guy's earlier postings, it certainly seems rs2k overreacted.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by The World's 1st Elmoist
And what the hell is a gusano?

Gusano is Spanish for worm.

In this context, it refers to Cubans who moved to Miami after 1959 because they opposed the Cuban Revolution.

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[Tupac-Amaru]

Originally posted by pa bajo con [email protected] 1 2005, 05:57 AM
this is the most iliterate forums ive ever been on

i wanted a reaction from you people, how many more times do i have to say it? i wanted to kno if this is how cuba really is, and i wanted to see what you guys would say about the website, thats al, if you read my first post it says i am anti-capitalist, and dont be callin me no gusano...
Ok, well if you want my reaction, let me tell you that that site is full of shit. Its true that some of the beautifull buildings in the Havana Vieja are begining to fall appart due to low maintanance, but that's nothing to do with Catro. As RedCeltic said, the embargo is making it hard to import all the building materials. Plus that area of Havana Vieja has been declared a World Heritage Site by UNESCO...because it's so beautiful, and thanks to that they're sending some equipment and stuff...so that site you was looking at is simply saying lies! There's my reaction...

aiiiiiiit peace

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 06:53 PM
pa bajo con euda, there are several aspects you must take into account before you go about juding the physical appearances of Cuba.

The first aspect is that before Castro, the United Fruit Company and the Mafia ruled the Cuban economy. UFC had horrible pay, workers benefits (if any), and a harsh environment where people would be forced to work for extensive hours. the UFC controlled most of Latin America before Castro, and the conditions for the workers were even worse.

The Mafia ran the casinos in Cuba, and prostitution was rampant due to that. Think about having the Mafia in your home town. If the mob wants something, it takes it.

The second aspect is that Cuba has been cut off from trading with most countries since the collapse of the Soviet Union (and they really didnt get enough to survive from the Soviets. The Soviets also collapsed partially due to lack of resources). Cuba is lacking in the outside products it needs. An island the size of Cuba cannot just suddenly become completely self-sufficient and produce everything it needs when it never did before.

The third aspect of this viewpoint relies on the knowledge that Cuba has an amazing education system. Cuba is turning out doctors and other extremely educated people better than any other country.

I hope this has given you a nudge in the pro-Castro direction.
Your post seems to suggest that free trade works.

Castro has had what, 60 years to perfect his revolution?

How many thousands of years do you expect it to actually take?

[Maynard]

Your post seems to suggest that free trade works
Not really. He seemed to be suggesting that trade was necessary for Cuba, which is true but didn't comment on whether he supported "free trade" or not. I don't think many leftists disagree that trade is necessary, as well. The current trade system, would you agree, is not really that free? Advanced capitalist nations such as the United States and France, for instance, demand that barriers to trade be pulled down in third world countries, so they can export their manufacturing goods, while giving massive subsidies to the agricultural sector to keep out exports from these same third world countries. Free trade, in goods, at least, is not really that bad a concept, the current system, however, is horrendously biased towards richer nations.

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2005, 02:36 PM

Your post seems to suggest that free trade works
Not really. He seemed to be suggesting that trade was necessary for Cuba, which is true but didn't comment on whether he supported "free trade" or not. I don't think many leftists disagree that trade is necessary, as well. The current trade system, would you agree, is not really that free? Advanced capitalist nations such as the United States and France, for instance, demand that barriers to trade be pulled down in third world countries, so they can export their manufacturing goods, while giving massive subsidies to the agricultural sector to keep out exports from these same third world countries. Free trade, in goods, at least, is not really that bad a concept, the current system, however, is horrendously biased towards richer nations.
I don't disagree with you much on that.

[1936]

Hey guys look at this website www.communistsforkerry.com

If someone posted that, would they be restricted?

FREE PA BAJO CON EUDO!!!!

[Enragé]

"they serve your 'food' on a piece of cardboard,

and give you a cardboard spoon, because the "criminal blockade of the

Yankee imperialists prevent the revolutionary government from buying

regular plates spoons and forks for the Cuban people." And the sad part

is that there are still some people, who are so uninformed or so dumb, that

they not only believe those lies, but that they help Castro by repeating them!


"

that was on their site whahahaha, even if it is true, in England, they serve fish and chips in a fuckin newspaper but you dont see anyone complainin about that


FREE PA BAJO CON EUDO!!!!

[OleMarxco]

Redstar disappoints me on this. I thought he was tolerant, but now he acts rather...reactionary, himself. If I f.eg linked to Microsoft's site and asked what you thought about it, whould I suddently become a capitalist or whut for that? BAH.

Anyknowhows: That site sucked balls. Rightist "insight" is embarrasing ;)
As for the damages....to make an omelet, you gotta break some eggs.
The former despot just wasn't going to GO away.....peacefully, that is.
Who cares about they don't get in Miami radio-lines. So don't I. It's illegal
everywhere to tap into another country's or state's radio nevertheless, me thinkesth.
If "Gusanos" are ex-Cubans who fled to Miami because of the Revolution, how the hell could they know this? Houses being a bit broken happens all the time. Perhaps they were tourists - Them buildings were, sort of, the "inherit" from Bastista's "government".

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by The World's 1st Elm[email protected] 2 2005, 09:56 AM

Hey guys look at this website www.communistsforkerry.com

If someone posted that, would they be restricted?
No...in fact several people posted it -- it's obviously satirical in intent.

Further, the "Communist" Party did support Kerry.

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[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2005, 05:33 PM


Further, the "Communist" Party did support Kerry.

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And we all saw how successful that was.

:ph34r: :che:

[1936]

Look, clearly theres been a misunderstanding.

I understand that this is a private owned site and you are of liberty to do what you like on it. But hes new to the movement and obviousley impresionable.

Surely you can just un-restrict him as clearly hes not of an opposing ideology, everythings honkey-dorey.

Do we really want him thinking of the socialst community as one thats refusing to embrace him?

[pa bajo con euda]

Thank you everyone for your support, and thank you for your reactions

[OleMarxco]

Red Star is a bit hot on power, I see? Happens to all power - corrumpts. BUT DON'T GET ME STARTED ABOUT ORWELL AGAIN, again...AND AGAIN!? Anyknowhows, do not blame following quote of lack of coherent name-calling. It is...totally satirious, or, as Butch Coolidge would've said it..."This is America, honey, names don't mean shit". Unfortunately for him, I do not live there. So, withouth further ado, I present to THEE HERE the QUOT.


Originally posted by "Misguided Cappie"
And we all saw how successful that was.

......and not dependant on whether or not they got support from the RCP, so what does it matter for or against? Their "support" were no decisive matter on why or how they lost more or less! Or George Bush's victory, for that sake! The support was successful (and also, insignificant), but Kerry was not....and if you ask me personally, I think the CPUSA should've stayed the FUCK OUT of the Burgeouis elections over-at-all and rather be an outlaw commie-league, or, as you cappies would call it, an "illegetimate organization"-bullshit. A REAL COMMIE DOES NOT ENDORSE OTHER FUCKIN' PARTIES OR CANDIDATES ESPECIALLY NOT THOSE LINKED WITH THE UPPER CLASS OF OPPRESSION. They give them a huge flip-off and drives their own race, not selling out to "anything but Bush"-thinking and "well, since we can't win the race anyways blah-blah and we hate Bush more so we say, GO KERRY!" it doesn't bring him further up to the seat of power more than AWAY from it (voters turned off at the thought about Commies endorsing Kerry PLUS the anti-Communist attitudes in the U.S., mainly) and it, to the hardcore communists, also gets turned off by the RCP bowing down to "someone superior" to them in popularity hoping that it will duke out Bush? WHAT A CROAK OF SHIT. They should immediatly emmigrate from the country, NOW! Pronto. We need a new...league. NCP. The Neo....Communist Party, as Red Star 2000 suggests. And they should emmigrate to fuckin' Europe for...someone's sake, that's much fer sure, I both suggest and humbly advice! BLAHG!

[bed_of_nails]

OleMarxco it is an honorable belief to think that the communist party needs to be an outlaw organization as the United States would call it, but not practical. Look at it like this. If we leave a tyrant in power they are still a tyrant. If we leave a lesser tyrant in power, those are fewer people who will get fucked over by the system. You dont have to agree with the system all the time, but still help the people out man.

Bush robs from the poor to give to the rich.

Kerry supported more programs for the poor.

If you decided not to vote, that is the same as saying you dont care about the people. We communists may not have had a shot at the election, but there is no problem with trying to make conditions better for people. With extensive reform, revolution doesnt take as long.

[Xvall]

I've seen worse looking buildings in America. I saw that website years ago - it's stupid.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by OleMarxco+--> (OleMarxco)Redstar disappoints me on this. I thought he was tolerant, but now he acts rather...reactionary, himself.[/b]

You haven't been here very long.

When it comes to reactionary ideas, I am very intolerant. :D

Once More: No "Free Speech" for Reactionaries! (http://redstar2000papers.com/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1106930843&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&)


If I f.eg linked to Microsoft's site and asked what you thought about it, whould I suddently become a capitalist or whut for that? BAH.

No, but your post would probably be moved to Technical Support or perhaps Chit Chat.

Why in the world would you want to do a dumb thing like that anyway?


Red Star is a bit hot on power, I see? BUT DON'T GET ME STARTED ABOUT ORWELL AGAIN, again...AND AGAIN!?

After the Spanish civil war, Orwell became a reactionary.

And I did what I think any administrator would do.


bed_of_nails
If you decided not to vote, that is the same as saying you don't care about the people.

Voting for Socialism...or Anything (http://redstar2000papers.com/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1083036842&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&)

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[bed_of_nails]

Wow RedStar2000, that is like a really angry blog. Out of pure curiousity, what DO you do for a living? I have heard you bring up this web-site when people ask, but I am honestly curious.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by bed_of_nails
Wow RedStar2000, that is like a really angry blog.

Thank you. :)


Out of pure curiousity, what DO you do for a living?

I am happily retired; my pension is $1,000/month.

I scrape by. :P

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[Xvall]

With all due respect, I thought it was really unfair to restrict this member based on "gut instinct". Until he has proven himself to be a non-socialist/anarchist/communist/whateverist, I don't see why it was necessary to ban him. Posts were even brought up of his dislike for capitalism. In all likelyhood, he simply wanted to know the rebuttal for this website. Notice that his post was: "This is Cuba?" and not "This is Cuba!". It was a question.

[communistfuture]

Originally posted by Totalitarian [email protected] 30 2005, 10:11 PM
How come nobody here can accept someone with a different opinion?
Are you all self concious?
Can you accept a different opinion?

[bezdomni]

That site is unfair, most of those pictures were taken after a hurricane (and not hurricane castro as it suggests, but a real hurricane.). It was a really strong one too and it wasn't too long ago.

Castro even went out afterward and tried to help some of the people rebuild (uneffectively, however).

[communistfuture]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 30 2005, 08:53 PM
From what i've read cuba does seem a bit stalinist. However venuzuela, now there's socialism in action.
Stalinist? What does Stalinist look like? Have you ever been in Soviet Union?
Well, I grew up there, and it was a beautiful country to grow up with good conditions, great health care and amasing education.
Cuba doesn't look Stalinist, it looks poor and torn up. And Stalin was not a millionaire, all his posessions were a couple of socks, some clothes and a pipe.

[Enragé]

Originally posted by communistfuture+May 8 2005, 08:32 AM--> (communistfuture @ May 8 2005, 08:32 AM)
Clenched [email protected] 30 2005, 08:53 PM
From what i've read cuba does seem a bit stalinist. However venuzuela, now there's socialism in action.
Stalinist? What does Stalinist look like? Have you ever been in Soviet Union?
Well, I grew up there, and it was a beautiful country to grow up with good conditions, great health care and amasing education.
Cuba doesn't look Stalinist, it looks poor and torn up. And Stalin was not a millionaire, all his posessions were a couple of socks, some clothes and a pipe. [/b]
2 questions out of pure curiosity:


how old are you?

are you a member of the "national bolsheviks"?

[communistfuture]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 02:25 PM

2 questions out of pure curiosity:


how old are you?

are you a member of the "national bolsheviks"?
I am 30 years old and I am not a member of any group or party, I am communist according to my own convictions and observations.

[OleMarxco]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 12:03 AM
OleMarxco it is an honorable belief to think that the communist party needs to be an outlaw organization as the United States would call it, but not practical. Look at it like this. If we leave a tyrant in power they are still a tyrant. If we leave a lesser tyrant in power, those are fewer people who will get fucked over by the system. You don't have to agree with the system all the time, but still help the people out man.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, enough political correct-thumbs up speech-talk enough already! Oh, it's a fuckin' "honorable", my ass! I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT HONOR, so just SHUT THE FUCK UP, will ya? REALLY. It's not meant as 'honor', it's meant as possibly the only possible possibility to puncture the flyin' rapture of a buddin' capitalist-state in it's tracks, PIAW! This is not out of honor, but out of necessisity!

They're not here to be a party to be "voted" on, in all it's unlikelyness to be actually ELECTED, they're there just to be a league to gather Communists and mount a movement to actually start a revolution in AS SOON AS THEY HAVE ENOUGH MEMBERS. That means alot of people shooting. "Not practical"? HOW THE HELL CAN YOU KNOW. Look at the southern states' seceeding from the union - imagine that the communist party -had- technically grown to that size, and f.eg controlled in sound the southern states, and then done the same! WOULD'VE IT BEEN "IMPRACTICAL" THEN? Even if the results, if suceeded, is full power to make a communistic society? BAH!

Now I'm not an American so I can't vote at anyone in the U.S. nevertheless, BUT! Yes, if we leave a tyrant in power they are obviously still a tyrant, no matter what they say (comparing a democratically elected president to a tyrant sounds bit well of, but they act fascistic, allright, appealing to powerful christian rich-groups) And so goes ALSO for you're so-called "lesser" tyrant: STILL A TYRANT. The point of the communistic revolution is that WE DON'T WANT NO TYRANTS AT ALL. A "benevolent dictator"? Riight. Doesn't exist. The system will still fuck over people just as much under a nice 'president' because they CAN'T DO SHIT TO STOP THE WAY STUFF WORKS. It's beyond their reach of control. Like them ordering someone to f.eg STOP DISCRIMINATING, would they then? I -never- agree with the system, and I don't bend or break, NEVER. That is ridiculous to assume I will "do a dispension" and "except" from the rule, and give it some SLIGHT credit, BAH. I don't see how this is helping ANYONE, no-one know WHAT Kerry and all his sweet-talk would've meant in the real world as ACTIONS, not WORDS.

[fernando]

Originally posted by communistfuture+May 9 2005, 03:13 AM--> (communistfuture @ May 9 2005, 03:13 AM)
[email protected] 8 2005, 02:25 PM

2 questions out of pure curiosity:


how old are you?

are you a member of the "national bolsheviks"?
I am 30 years old and I am not a member of any group or party, I am communist according to my own convictions and observations. [/b]
If you are 30 years old you havent lived to see the USSR under Stalin ;)

Did the USSR remain Stalinist after Stalin's death?

[communistfuture]

Originally posted by fernando+May 9 2005, 02:01 PM--> (fernando @ May 9 2005, 02:01 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 03:13 AM

[email protected] 8 2005, 02:25 PM

2 questions out of pure curiosity:


how old are you?

are you a member of the "national bolsheviks"?
I am 30 years old and I am not a member of any group or party, I am communist according to my own convictions and observations.
If you are 30 years old you havent lived to see the USSR under Stalin ;)

Did the USSR remain Stalinist after Stalin's death? [/b]
Well I definitely know waaaay more about stalinism than you do, don't you think so? I have parents and grandparents and more access to information about it.

[bed_of_nails]

Originally posted by communistfuture+May 10 2005, 05:19 AM--> (communistfuture @ May 10 2005, 05:19 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 03:13 AM

[email protected] 8 2005, 02:25 PM

2 questions out of pure curiosity:


how old are you?

are you a member of the "national bolsheviks"?
I am 30 years old and I am not a member of any group or party, I am communist according to my own convictions and observations.
If you are 30 years old you havent lived to see the USSR under Stalin ;)

Did the USSR remain Stalinist after Stalin's death?
Well I definitely know waaaay more about stalinism than you do, don't you think so? I have parents and grandparents and more access to information about it. [/b]
My friend you will soon learn that on this board you dont say anything unless you can prove it. I now put you to the test about your Stalinism knowledge.

[fernando]

Originally posted by communistfuture+May 10 2005, 05:19 AM--> (communistfuture @ May 10 2005, 05:19 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 03:13 AM

[email protected] 8 2005, 02:25 PM

2 questions out of pure curiosity:


how old are you?

are you a member of the "national bolsheviks"?
I am 30 years old and I am not a member of any group or party, I am communist according to my own convictions and observations.
If you are 30 years old you havent lived to see the USSR under Stalin ;)

Did the USSR remain Stalinist after Stalin's death?
Well I definitely know waaaay more about stalinism than you do, don't you think so? I have parents and grandparents and more access to information about it. [/b]
Yup the you know more than me about it probably since you are Russian. But do you have proof or numbers about the education and conditions because if I remember correctly how many did die of starvation alone in Stalinist Russia again?

And you havent answered my question, did Russia remain Stalinist after Stalin's death?

So instead of saying stuff like: "my grandparents are from there so I know waaaaaaaaaaaay more than you"...quit that...I great grandfather is Russian and served in the Red Army, does that mean I know more about Russia under Stalin/Lenin than other members?

[Invader Zim]

I am happily retired; my pension is $1,000/month.

Jesus, how does that work?

Rent must be a fair old junck of that. Student accomodation isn't exactly glamerous and i still pay like £40 a week, for a single room, 8x10 feet.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by Enigma
Jesus, how does that work?

Well, I spend $510/month on rent & utilities (2 rooms & bath). It's a "bad neighborhood". :lol:

Telephone & dial-up internet: $47/month.

Food, drink, cigarettes: $325/month.

One round-trip to public library by taxi: $26/month.

Medical Care: $50/month (over-the-counter medicines, vitamins, etc.)

Real Medical Care (doctors & prescriptions, etc.): $0.00

Entertainment: $0.00

Clothing: $0.00

Insurance: $0.00

Automotive: $0.00

Most months I actually come out slightly ahead.

I've just learned to live without certain "luxuries". :lol:

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[Black Dagger]

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Surely the opposing ideologies forum is entertainment enough!

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 05:45 PM



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No wonder you're so angry all the time.

[Raisa]

I am not a person who naively believes Cuba is paradise, because Cuba barely has a pot to piss in , especially compared to the united states....but the sad thing is I think that Cuba has the best standard of living for the MOST amount of people out of all latin american countries. So while you try to prove a point about cuba looking grimey, you can look at alot of the fotographs for other countries in latin america too, where people have homes made of cardboard boxes and magazines...AND are starving too AND cant get ANY health care.

[OleMarxco]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 12:03 AM
Bush robs from the poor to give to the rich.
Kerry supported more programs for the poor.

If you decided not to vote, that is the same as saying you dont care about the people. We communists may not have had a shot at the election, but there is no problem with trying to make conditions better for people. With extensive reform, revolution doesn't take as long.
That first line I agree with - that much is sure....but.....
The second one I have my doubts with. He really did, eh?
And even if Kerry DID, what does that mean to US? Once he gets in power,
he might (have to) back down from his promises since the corporation's doesn't want it. Renember, I can't vote in American elections, I'm Norwegian - and going from sweet promises has happened before.

I am not deciding "not to vote", I'm 'deciding' "not to care"...about the election. But about the people....yes indeed, but it's all a fraud, they will back down from their reformed programs and it will be dismantled....so it's more like you ask me to care for the candidates and the rich sponsors of'em.....

Of course, we have no realistic shot at the election. So we shouldn't participate in it. It's just false hopes, making us look like fools. From day one with a candidate like Kerry who starts with 0% like everyone and is just getting support because everyone thinks a democratic candidate is the only real alternative to a republican one and could whack Bush. Not a green, huh, eh? If everyone suddently for once stopped having their head up their asses and voted for who they wanted, and had the mindset to go for the best politics and not the "Bush-whacker", they would boom the Greens right into office f.eg. Or even the Socialist Workers' Party. Not that it matters. IF you plan to "win" the elections as a communist....you better bring some grenades and half-automatic weapons for all your party, 'cuz it's gon get hot.

Your "reform" is just a distraction from the revolution, a parallel-running, side-stepping with it but not extending the "revolution", bah! :angry: