U.S. Prison Population Reaches 2.1 Million People

[cormacobear]

The United States currently holds 25% of the entire worlds prison population.
Many work for wages well below minimum wage.Those inmates and those that don't work, are stored labour kept at minimum cost having had there freedom taken away. With such a signifigant portion of the population being kept as a slave class, could if included in the unemployment statistics effect the way the voting population percieves their gov't's policies. In most states (perhaps all) convicted felons cannot vote so in this way the right removes millions of poor voters from effecting change which could lower poverty, which is the only proven effective long term reducer of the crime rate.

Right now congress is trying to pass a bill that will make a tenn year sentence mandatory for numerous minor marijuana crimes such as a second offense of selling to a person unedr 21, while the average rapist serves 7 years. Way to go America the ULTIMATE POLICE STATE.

[bolshevik butcher]

What's with america and it's war against soft drugs? Is it true that you can get life imprisonment for 3 minor offences?

[cormacobear]

You think that’s bad, check this out!

Source: http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4191.html

Are anti-drug technologies and mind-control vaccines the future of the drug war?
You may not have heard about it yet – but you will.

The first mainstream media report was in a British newspaper report dated July 25, 2004. The headline read, Children to Get Jabs Against Drug Addiction. In it, we learn that a "radical scheme to vaccinate children against future drug addiction" is being considered by the British Government.1

Under the plan, doctors would "immunize children at risk of becoming smokers or drug users with an injection."

The article claimed the scheme would function "similarly to the current nationwide Measles, Mumps and Rubella vaccination program. Childhood immunization would protect adults from the euphoria experienced by users, making drugs such as heroin and cocaine pointless to take."

Is this the future of the drug war? A nightmare dystopia where children are inoculated against feeling forbidden euphoria?

The Article continues.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4191.html

[Totalitarian Militant]

A-
The drug system, I admit is weak.
B-
Stop with these pathetic conspiracy theories..............future drug war my ass........
C-
Prisons are filled with a meal, room and board, and television, along with sports and other stuff prisoners dont deserve.

You just skipped over the millions of African American and Native American and everyone else throughout history, that was a real slave, not your bullshit propaganda.
How do you think those people would react?

Now shut up.

[redstar2000]

U.S. Prison Population Reaches 2.1 Million People

If they were all in one place -- "Prison City" -- it would be the fourth largest city in the United States (just ahead of Houston's 2.01 million).

With another million prisoners, "Prison City" will move into third place, ahead of Los Angeles.


Originally posted by Totalitarian Militant
Prisons are filled with a meal, room and board, and television, along with sports and other stuff prisoners don't deserve.

Yeah, it's a great life... :o

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[Jersey Devil]

I can see the arguments in regards to mandatory sentences for possession of soft or even hard drugs. But how can we really say, that a child molestor or a murderer should not be kept away from the general populace?

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

You just skipped over the millions of African American and Native American and everyone else throughout history, that was a real slave, not your bullshit propaganda.
How do you think those people would react?

Now shut up.

So, what's the difference between the situations of both in tems of freedom?

[Hampton]

Prisons are filled with a meal, room and board, and television, along with sports and other stuff prisoners dont deserve.

You are insane if you think prison is one big picnic. Most of the people who go in there, for drug possesions and abuse, are bait for the people who are there for more serious and longer charges.

But I would not call them a slave class considering America's history. While there wages are below min. wage as you said, which I would have added are next to nothing, something like .5-.25 cents an hour in most places and what they make is sold by the prisons and is in some places a multi-million dollar a year industry, it isn't slavery.

This is more than weed, it is crack and how you get a sentence twice as long as having cocaine, how 12.6% of all black men in their 20's are in prison, and how over 1 million of those 2.1 million are minorties.

The funny thing is that the average American when they see this report will blame the crimminal instead of trying to get rehab programs and change some of the three strikes laws.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Do what all anarchists do, free the prisoners and burn down the prison! :P

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by Jersey [email protected] 30 2005, 01:23 AM
I can see the arguments in regards to mandatory sentences for possession of soft or even hard drugs. But how can we really say, that a child molestor or a murderer should not be kept away from the general populace?
no, of course they should be kept away. Jailing shoplifters seems a bit too far though.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by Jersey [email protected] 30 2005, 01:23 AM
I can see the arguments in regards to mandatory sentences for possession of soft or even hard drugs.
Which are what exactly?

[viva le revolution]

Originally posted by Totalitarian [email protected] 30 2005, 12:51 AM

B-
Stop with these pathetic conspiracy theories..............future drug war my ass........
C-
Prisons are filled with a meal, room and board, and television, along with sports and other stuff prisoners dont deserve.

You just skipped over the millions of African American and Native American and everyone else throughout history, that was a real slave, not your bullshit propaganda.
How do you think those people would react?

Now shut up.
It has been documented that throughout the sixties and early seventies, the cia experimented using LSD as a weapon to topple governments. by using an agent to slip the drug to any leader they don't like just before a public appearance hoping the leader would humiliate himself causing the public to lose faith in him. This was tried aginst Fidel castro of Cuba.
Lately it has been reported that the U.S military is experimenting on a nerve-gas type toxin which is actually an aphrodisiac to be used against enemy combatants to negatively affect their ability to fight, as they would be sexually enamoured by their comrades.
The U.S military is also considering using small tactical nukes on the battlefield during conventional confrontations against enemy combatants. It is rumoured to have already been used in Afghanistan.
Every conspiracy theory has some factual background. The government has explored these options in the past, what makes you think they have wised up?
As regards those in prison, the vast majority of those are in there due to poverty. They steal because they are poor or unemployed, They take drugs because they are disillusioned frustrated because of their present situation.
Incarceration for ten years over weed?marijuana? this is really the authorities overreacting. Marijuana is legal in holland for god's sake.

[Jersey Devil]

Originally posted by Black Dagger+Apr 30 2005, 11:56 AM--> (Black Dagger @ Apr 30 2005, 11:56 AM)
Jersey [email protected] 30 2005, 01:23 AM
I can see the arguments in regards to mandatory sentences for possession of soft or even hard drugs.
Which are what exactly? [/b]
Incorrect, you took my statement out of context. I meant that I can see the arguments for abolishing mandatory sentences for drug possession however can not see how murderers and child molestors should be let out into society.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Actually it's not legal. It's "tolerated". Growing large quantities of hemp is "untolerated". It's a weird legal system.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by Jersey [email protected] 30 2005, 01:12 PM
Incorrect, you took my statement out of context. I meant that I can see the arguments for abolishing mandatory sentences for drug possession however can not see how murderers and child molestors should be let out into society.
Ah, i mis-read your statement, my apologies.

[Totalitarian Militant]

You guys are nuts if you think murderers and rapists deserve any rights whatsoever.

Lets see how your attitude would chage if it happened to someone in your family.


They dont even deserve to live.

I already mentioned, the drug system is weak, so dont talk to me about that.




So, what's the difference between the situations of both in tems of freedom?

Translation: Im a fucking moron.

What? Lets see.
In slavery, they came to your country, and with a military force they chased you down and killed you without having to deal with consequences from a higher authority, and you had to do absolutely everything they said including gettign raped, and beaten and totured.

Its not even close.
Please, dont trouble yourself to even compare this shit to cops cause that would just be plain stupid and ignorance.

[bolshevik butcher]

they ahve human rights you know.

When is tis guy geting blocked?

[Totalitarian Militant]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 30 2005, 09:27 PM
they ahve human rights you know.

When is tis guy geting blocked?
Im being serious.

How would you honestly feel if someone murdered your mother?

Would you say, oh, dont send him to prison, send him to get school or job training, because its the governments fault he did it!

[Shevek]

In an anarchist society me and my local militia would shoot anyone who killed someone on purpose. More likely we would prevent the murder in the first place, because being an anarchist means that you and your friends take care of and manage your own lives and protect each other.

Of course this is not an anarchist society. So if, in this society, my desired punishment for someone who killed my mother, would range from a year in prison, for something like a teenager who commited vehicular manslaughter for the first time, to life imprisonment for thirty year old repeat offender who raped and tortured her before killing her.

To say prisoners don't have rights, allows people, like yourself, Totalitarian Militant (I've seen the Authoritarian/Libertarian rating) to commit cruel and unusual punishment for political or personal reasons regardless of the inaliable rights of ALL humans.

Every one is a sinner, so judge not, lest ye be judged. (By the way, I'm an agnostic even the bible quoting suggests otherwise)

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Even in a capitalist world, what use does imprisonment have? In an anarchist society, death prevents the same person doing it twice. But imprisonment doesn't do this. It's more likely that the person becomes more violent.

[cormacobear]

First of all most slaves were bought as captured enemies of African tribal warfare. And if they chased you down and killed you they weren't very good businessmen. Both a rape and a murder have happened in my family, and I never said no-one should be in prison but if a man robs a store to pay his rent or feed his family, well he shouldn't have had to take such measuures to begin with. Rape and murder still happen to prisoners if you don't beleive me ask some. And if you beleive the police anywhere in the world have a clean record of not having used torture please enlighten me.

[viva le revolution]

Originally posted by Totalitarian [email protected] 30 2005, 09:52 PM


How would you honestly feel if someone murdered your mother?

Would you say, oh, dont send him to prison, send him to get school or job training, because its the governments fault he did it!
You semm to take it for granted that everyone in prison is a murderer or rapist! there are other crimes you know.
in my view communism is the key.Most people commit crimes due to poverty.In a classless society, that reason for committing a crime is eliminated.
Prison can then be utilized only for the most serious offenders.

[Commie Rat]

like socio-pathics?


on the drugs MARIJUANA is a natural herb that grows in the ground, to date MOST ganja crops and NOT GM, which makes then safer then some of the stuff in you vegtables from the grocery store

What is unnaturla is 60 YEAR OLDS with HARD-ONs

[cormacobear]

Prison should be used to keep totalitarian militants away from the public they desire to dominate and harm. :lol: :P

Marijuana is legal in Holland, depending on what you consider a signifigant crop. But there are several threads discussing drugs I just posted the article to emphasize how out of control the American judiciary is, and how neo-cons can raise or lower the number of prisoners effecting such statistics as the employment rate. 2 million people is almost an entire percentage point.

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by Totalitarian Militant+Apr 30 2005, 09:52 PM--> (Totalitarian Militant @ Apr 30 2005, 09:52 PM)
Clenched [email protected] 30 2005, 09:27 PM
they ahve human rights you know.

When is tis guy geting blocked?
Im being serious.

How would you honestly feel if someone murdered your mother?

Would you say, oh, dont send him to prison, send him to get school or job training, because its the governments fault he did it! [/b]
I just said above that mureders would be jailed, of course they would, they comited a terrible crime. But why should say shop lifters be jailed.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Originally posted by Totalitarian [email protected] 30 2005, 10:17 PM
What? Lets see.
In slavery, they came to your country, and with a military force they chased you down and killed you without having to deal with consequences from a higher authority, and you had to do absolutely everything they said including gettign raped, and beaten and totured.

Its not even close.
Please, dont trouble yourself to even compare this shit to cops cause that would just be plain stupid and ignorance.

Slaves don't per se come from another country. Something often overlooked is that the first slaves in America were white Europeans, plus to this day millions of people live in slavery in their own domestic countries. It's a common misconception that the Europeans caught their slaves themselves. More often the African kings caught slaves and sold them to the European merchantsettlings on the coast. Most kings strictly forbad the Europeans from catching slaves. Read a book!

Let's see what happens to you when you go to jail. Torture, beatings and especially rape is common practice. "Don't drop the soap!". According to official stats, 1 in 3 US prisoners is raped. Ever wonderd why nobody likes prison?

- Cheers your favorite stupid ignoramous.