Amerikan Imperialism and the Labor Aristocracy

[resisting arrest with violence]

In his book Imperialism: The Highest Stage of Capitalism Lenin noted the new possibility of giving the working class of the imperial country a share of the loot generated from imperialist wars to create a safety valve within the proletariat population and hence forestall revolution. The members of the proletariat receiving a bit of the loot were the so-called "labor aristocracy" which in typical opportunist fashion seek their own comfort at the expense of their comrades at home and abroad. Why is there no real revolutionary sentiment in the U.S.? Because the real exploitation is taking place not in the advanced countries but in the backward countries dominated by the imperial powers---i.e. The Middle East, Africa, Latin America, and great parts of Asia. And a lot of Amerikan workers are being shipped to Iraq to serve as truck drivers, soldiers, contractors and other occupations. These lumpen-proletariat are shameless in their opportunism and exploitation.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/

[viva le revolution]

It is quite shameless on their part. This phenomena is taking place in Iraq.There are various reports of civilian contractors(i don't know what else to call them) being kidnapped in Iraq. There is such a hue and cry over these profiteers of war. They should be asked what the fuck were they doing there in the first place! Driving around GI's and businessmen! what did they expect? The resistance views them as helping the enemy, i guess they were also the impression that they would be greeted with rose petals!
In my opinion, they should be treated just like e exploitative bourgeois as they too are exploiting war for personal benefit.

[bolshevik butcher]

A lot of these people are only doing there job. I mean a lot of soldiers are only earning a wage, have you seen farenheight 9/11 when he goes round the poor areas with the army recruiters.

[Phalanx]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 29 2005, 09:48 PM
A lot of these people are only doing there job. I mean a lot of soldiers are only earning a wage, have you seen farenheight 9/11 when he goes round the poor areas with the army recruiters.
Exactly. Which is why i harass any army recruiter i get a chance to see. Not that i don't believe they're just doing their job, but because i belive they ruin other people's lives.

[Totalitarian Militant]

You do know it was Stalin, not Lenin, who made the USSR a superpower...............

Lenin's Russia did nothing amazing...............

[Colombia]

And so you support Stalin then?

[Jersey Devil]

Recognizing that Stalin's policies resulted in the industrialization of the Soviet Union does not necessarily make one a supporter of Stalin.

[Colombia]

True but let us see what he answers.

[Anarchist Freedom]

Hes right.

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by Totalitarian [email protected] 30 2005, 12:56 AM
You do know it was Stalin, not Lenin, who made the USSR a superpower...............

Lenin's Russia did nothing amazing...............
eh yeh except start the basis for a workers republic, effectivley run by worker's councils, and overthrow the tsar, no geat ahcievment really.

[Jersey Devil]

Lenin did not "overthrow the tsar" he overthrew the Kerensky provisional government. You are incorrect.

[viva le revolution]

Lenin did something amazing. He overthrew the Kerensky regime in Russia, he had to deal with the white army in Russia and loyalists of the tsar and kerensky government. He had to deal with the shambles Russia was in and organized the bolshevik party and decision-making apparatus in Rissia amid all the chaos, that allowed Stalin to then step in with his five-year plans. No doubt Stalin should be recognized for his industrialization of Russia but it was Lenin who laid the groundwork and infrastructure amid the chaos.

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by Jersey [email protected] 30 2005, 01:24 PM
Lenin did not "overthrow the tsar" he overthrew the Kerensky provisional government. You are incorrect.
sorry, but he overthrew a government, or the massess did actually, lead by lennin.

[Totalitarian Militant]

Jersy Devil is the only person on this site so far, out of the opposing idealogies section, that I consider intelligent.

Does that answer your questions?

[viva le revolution]

Originally posted by Totalitarian [email protected] 30 2005, 09:10 PM
Jersy Devil is the only person on this site so far, out of the opposing idealogies section, that I consider intelligent.

Does that answer your questions?
wow....great arguement.

[Totalitarian Militant]

Originally posted by viva le revolution+Apr 30 2005, 09:24 PM--> (viva le revolution @ Apr 30 2005, 09:24 PM)
Totalitarian [email protected] 30 2005, 09:10 PM
Jersy Devil is the only person on this site so far, out of the opposing idealogies section, that I consider intelligent.

Does that answer your questions?
wow....great arguement. [/b]
Thats not my arguement. And sarcasm doesnt show that youre right either. Hypocrite.

I said Stalin made the Soviet Union a superpower, not Lenin.
I said Lenins Russia did nothing amazing.

I said nothing about Lenins personal accomplishments, you just took it for granted and assumed like most people.

Try reading before you respond.

[Shevek]

It may be true that Stalin made the Soviet Union a superpower, but all that it entailed was that the Soviet Union oppressed its people, spent billions of dollars on military projects that did nothing to increase the quality of life, and using the third world as a giant chessboard in thier game of political dominance, regardless of the cost in life, liberty, and prosperity.

Just like the United States :lol:

[Enragé]

"I said Stalin made the Soviet Union a superpower, not Lenin.
I said Lenins Russia did nothing amazing."

No, lenin made the revolution possible, stalin fucked it up and transformed russia into an imperialist nation

[redstar2000]

Lots of off-topic posts in this thread...I wonder why.

In any event, I dispute Lenin's thesis...

The "Labor Aristocracy", the "Middle Class", and Marxist Theory (http://redstar2000papers.com/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1083626854&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&)

The so-called "civilian contractors" in Iraq are not workers...they are simply soldiers without uniforms. They do not produce any commodity for the marketplace and hence no surplus value. They are simply part of the imperial organs of repression -- like prison guards.

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/123.gif

[coda]

>>>>The so-called "civilian contractors" in Iraq are not workers...they are simply soldiers without uniforms. They do not produce any commodity for the marketplace and hence no surplus value. They are simply part of the imperial organs of repression -- like prison guards.<<<


They may not be workers investing in Iraq ecomony, but they are workers dealing in personal profiteering and personal murdering.

[Totalitarian Militant]

The so-called "civilian contractors" in Iraq are not workers...they are simply soldiers without uniforms. They do not produce any commodity for the marketplace and hence no surplus value. They are simply part of the imperial organs of repression -- like prison guards.


Last time I checked, soldiers carried firearms............unless you are making up a new definition to add to the worlds vocabulary....................

either way, those morons should all have their heads chopped off for being in a war zone.

[viva le revolution]

Originally posted by Totalitarian [email protected] 1 2005, 06:07 AM





either way, those morons should all have their heads chopped off for being in a war zone.
Finally... we agree&#33;

[Enragé]

soldiers are also working class. They are just a part of the working class that has been sent off to fight the working class of another country. All wars are like that.

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 07:27 PM
soldiers are also working class. They are just a part of the working class that has been sent off to fight the working class of another country. All wars are like that.
That&#39;s what i was trying to say. It&#39;s left to the poor always fight a rich mans war.

[resisting arrest with violence]

They are many working class people going over there to Iraq. I was watching the news and this black guy was there who had a family and he was anxious to drive a truck for Halliburton because it would pay him &#036;90,000 a year and he left. Moreover, Halliburton was having a huge job fair attracting labor to go off to Iraq and drive trucks and to stupid shit for them.