Canadian Election? [Archive]

Major. Rudiger

3rd May 2005, 01:52

Well the basic goverment sturture is pretty is to grasp. You can probley find something on the internet or on the govermenet websites. hope that helps :unsure:. What part of Canada are you moving too or city.

Anywho... I think people shuold wait for the report to come out. He gave his word and he said once the report comes out good or bad he would make an election....

well im not young, to do any voteing, and im kind've busy in school :P. Can you post a link on the NDP revision thingy... Thanx...

Eastside Revolt

3rd May 2005, 07:25

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 06:44 PM
im moving to canada in three months, do you think some of you canadians can explain the political stand(s) over there for an unenlightened norwegian?
In comparrison to Norway?

We have four major parties on our federal election system: The Bloq, The Liberals, the Conservatives, and the NDP.

Essentially our "democracy" is no differnt from yours, in that there are no progressive parties, that stand any chance of gaining power.

If one were to care about the subtleties between the contending parties, the most simplistic way I could describe it is this:

- Our conservatives are ideologically somewhat similar to Amerca's "democrats" only they hold less power in comparisson.

- The NDP which hold no significant power nor will they likely ever, are "social democrat" party. If they were in power they would drive us in a similar direction to that which your country is taking.

They are the closest thing in Canadian electoral politics has to a "left", with the exception of the "communist" parties that are really quite a joke, and have less roots in the communities than the NDP.

- The Bloq are Quebec Nationalists, and would according to them, bring Quebec away from our free market "anglo-saxon" government. They also tend to be somewhat "morally" conservative.

I would also like to admit I am somewhat ignorant towards the goals of the Bloq. :P

- The Liberals, are Canada's reigning party and one of the most successful parties in history. They are what they say they are "liberals". Which means that they will have some simpathy with regards to ethical issues, but will go wherever the tide takes them economically just to get votes. My opinion of them, is that they are bound to go continually rightward as long as America keeps gaining influence in our culture.

To me, they are what's wrong with this country..... well them and Alberta. :P

RedStarOverChina

3rd May 2005, 07:44

I live in Canada too and i think Canadian parties are more progressive than the US ones, MUCH more progressive. Liberals are quite liberal on moral issues but yes it is moving towards the right economically.

Im lying in a hospital right now and i dont know how can political parties keep leaning towards the right when our health care system is on the verge of collapse...

Purple

5th May 2005, 11:54

thank you redcanada, that really helped. i will try to get more into the politics when i get to canada, so its nice not to be clueless when i get there.

i am moving to toronto, somewhat on the edges of the center of the city, but so does 80% of the population there accordingly.

and Felicia tought me the canadian word "hoser", and to say "eh" on the end of each sentence...

PS: what is this Alberta you are talking about?

cormacobear

5th May 2005, 12:17

Alberta is Texas North. The most rightwing Province in the Country....and where I live. :(

Toronto is cool I lived there for a few years. That is where Jack Layton Lives. He is the leader of the N.D.P.. That's who I support. They currently have the support of about 20% of the country unfortunately that doesn't mean they get 20% of the seats. But we are optimistic 20% is the highest the paryt has ever been in the polls and we had 43 seats of 308 in the early eighties. We could do a lot of good with that many again.

Here is a link to Laytons address on the new budget.

http://ndp.ca/newsdetail/nid-2511

Major. Rudiger

6th May 2005, 01:32

Cool, toronto is a neat city. I just live about 3 or 4 citys down, "The Shwa" as some say it or just Oshawa. :P Yeah i hope the consertive loses some seats.

Did anyone see Rick Mercer's mondays report on the consertive convocation. It was so good. I loved how he pointed out all the bad things about the "gathering".

anywho... I think its on there website...

http://www.cbc.ca/mondayreport/

Pierre Berton showed me how to role my first joint :P

cormacobear

6th May 2005, 03:59

I never missed an episode of Monday report. I chose this weeks Macleans as a rolling surface and rolled a joint on Harper's face.

cormacobear

6th May 2005, 20:11

The Liberals are back on top with 36% to the Conservatives 30%. I love polls. :D

LSD

7th May 2005, 09:24

- The Bloq are Quebec Nationalists, and would according to them, bring Quebec away from our free market "anglo-saxon" government. They also tend to be somewhat "morally" conservative.

To be fair, the Bloq is actually rather liberal on "moral" issues.

Certainly, they are further to the left on....well....everything than the Liberals! (not that that's so tough <_<)

Major. Rudiger

7th May 2005, 20:20

YEA, leave Paul in office so he legallize MARIJUANA. :P

The Garbage Disposal Unit

8th May 2005, 08:37

Originally posted by Lysergic Acid [email protected] 7 2005, 08:24 AM

- The Bloq are Quebec Nationalists, and would according to them, bring Quebec away from our free market "anglo-saxon" government. They also tend to be somewhat "morally" conservative.

To be fair, the Bloq is actually rather liberal on "moral" issues.

Certainly, they are further to the left on....well....everything than the Liberals! (not that that's so tough <_<)
No kidding!
Due to sovreigntist sentiment among the working class (and upheld by the relatively powerful Quebecois labour unions), the BQ actually represents the most coherently left platform in Canada.
Anybody remember the CCF? JS is rolling over in his grave.

cormacobear

8th May 2005, 13:24

The NDP was formed by the CCF's former members. And The Liberals might decriminilize it but they'll never legalize it.

The Garbage Disposal Unit

8th May 2005, 20:17

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 12:24 PM
The NDP was formed by the CCF's former members.
That's my point - the fact the the Bloc is further left would have JS Woodworth spinning in his grave.
Sorry if I wan't being clear.

cormacobear

9th May 2005, 18:53

So do you think the NDP budget revisions will convince a Bloq MP to support the budget.

cormacobear

12th May 2005, 19:16

as of may 9th
Liberal 37 Cons 28 NDP 18 Bloc 12 Green 13

Go ahead Harper call an election :P The Cons and the Boq couldn't even form a coalition with the help of the greens.

The Green party and the NDP are at their highest rating ever. I hate the green party their economic policies are on the far right most people who choose that party don't realize it, and in this way the green party is gaining at the expense of the NDP which is a serious problem in a first past the poll electoral system.

Commie Girl

12th May 2005, 20:24

:( I live in Alberta too, as Cormacobear knows.....

The Bloq is very left thinking on moral issues, I do like their stand on those things! Otherwise, they are traitors.

I wish Harper et al would go down screaming in a fiery crash. Anyone remember Brian Mulroney? Probably the most corrupt govt we have seen in Canada. I say let Gomery finish, Martin will call an election within 30 days of the report. Harper in bed with the bloq will haunt him for years. People I have talked to want the budget to pass, they like the idea of a minority govt working in cooperation, that is how we got great things done in this country, like health care. The conservatives scare the shit out of most people, since they are nothing more than the Alliance in disguise. I dont think they can get more than 30% support, our MP had a townhall meeting, and 98% of the people voted for an election now, not surprising considering the fact that 98% of the people in attendance were party members.

Not sure what they think they can achieve by bringing down the government, they already own Alberta, cant get more seats here, except for 2 in Edmonton.

cormacobear

12th May 2005, 20:43

That's cause Edmonton Rocks, Baby! Woohoo! :D :P

Commie Girl

12th May 2005, 20:50

:D Woo Hoo! Do you happen to live in Anne McLellans/David Kilgors riding? That would be cool, I have always be on the losing end of seats, living in Red Deer!

I plan on having my NDP sign out in the front yard as soon as the writ is dropped!

Jack Layton doesnt have a prayer here, but oh well <_<

Eastside Revolt

12th May 2005, 22:08

Originally posted by Commie [email protected] 12 2005, 07:24 PM
:( I live in Alberta too, as Cormacobear knows.....

The Bloq is very left thinking on moral issues, I do like their stand on those things! Otherwise, they are traitors.

Well I'd only call them traitors for siding with the conservatives, but otherwise I support them.

Felicia

12th May 2005, 22:13

if harper comes into power I'm going to throw myself off the MacDonald [bridge].

Atleast with Martin we have a slight chance of not being puppet slaves to the interests of the US. Whereas with Harper, we might as well be annexed. The conservative bastard.

I want NDP, I just don't know where to go to vote (I'll find out though). Atleast my city is an NDP stronghold, that's the only thing I've got to cling to. Whoo Alexa!

Felicia

12th May 2005, 22:19

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 07:54 AM

and Felicia tought me the canadian word "hoser", and to say "eh" on the end of each sentence...

oh hun, please dont say "eh" that much! :P

Eastside Revolt

12th May 2005, 22:38

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 09:13 PM
if harper comes into power I'm going to throw myself off the MacDonald [bridge].

Atleast with Martin we have a slight chance of not being puppet slaves to the interests of the US. Whereas with Harper, we might as well be annexed. The conservative bastard.

I want NDP, I just don't know where to go to vote (I'll find out though). Atleast my city is an NDP stronghold, that's the only thing I've got to cling to. Whoo Alexa!
Don't kid yourself.

Whether it be NDP, Liberal, or conservative, we will be sold!

Just for a much lower price with the conservatives. ;)

Major. Rudiger

12th May 2005, 23:05

Same over here majority of Oshawa is NDP. Or as some like to say the Shwa

cormacobear

12th May 2005, 23:11

Harpers Canada :(

Eastside Revolt

12th May 2005, 23:35

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 10:11 PM
Harpers Canada :(
Canada period

Felicia

13th May 2005, 06:31

Originally posted by redcanada+May 12 2005, 06:38 PM--> (redcanada @ May 12 2005, 06:38 PM)
[email protected] 12 2005, 09:13 PM
if harper comes into power I'm going to throw myself off the MacDonald .

Atleast with Martin we have a slight chance of not being puppet slaves to the interests of the US. Whereas with Harper, we might as well be annexed. The conservative bastard.

I want NDP, I just don't know where to go to vote (I'll find out though). Atleast my city is an NDP stronghold, that's the only thing I've got to cling to. Whoo Alexa!
Don't kid yourself.

Whether it be NDP, Liberal, or conservative, we will be sold!

Just for a much lower price with the conservatives. ;)
if with either party you say that we'll be sold, that must mean that we've been sold all along. ...... so that's irrelevant in the upcoming election (except where it comes to making it worse), so NDP it is :P

either way, we'll most likely end up with a minority government with the Libs having the minority "majority"

cormacobear

13th May 2005, 08:59

Well there's no way the Cons can win a majority unless they find a million bucks under Martins bed all marked sponsorship money. :D

And since there's no way the Cons can have a majority how hard will it be for the Liberals the NDP and a couple of Bloq to defeat the Conservative government. i wonder what the odds of a spring election and another in Feb. ;)

cormacobear

17th May 2005, 20:03

Holy crap :o ;) .Well she always said she would vote for amending the marriage definition to include gays. but besides that I never would have expected this.

They only need to convince one more independant to save the government.

Stronach crosses the floor, joins Liberal cabinet
CTV.ca News Staff

In a move that's given a sudden boost to the minority government while sparking calls of betrayal from the Tories, Conservative MP Belinda Stronach crossed the floor Tuesday to join the Liberal party

Commie Girl

18th May 2005, 01:43

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 01:03 PM
Holy crap :o ;) .Well she always said she would vote for amending the marriage definition to include gays. but besides that I never would have expected this.

They only need to convince one more independant to save the government.

Stronach crosses the floor, joins Liberal cabinet
CTV.ca News Staff

In a move that's given a sudden boost to the minority government while sparking calls of betrayal from the Tories, Conservative MP Belinda Stronach crossed the floor Tuesday to join the Liberal party
:o :o :o

Poor Peter McKay is said to be very hurt......! :D

cormacobear

18th May 2005, 20:08

Poll results from 2 sources 24 hours before governments live or die vote;

Liberal (center) 33 Cons (right) 31 NDP(left) 22 Bloc(seperatist,center) 10

Liberal 33 Cons 30 NDP 19 Bloc Green 6

Using last elections results of seats per % the first polls results would ceonvey
120 seats to the Liberals a loss of 15
102 to the Cons a gain of 3
74 for the NDP a gain of 62
and 54 for the Quebec seperatist party a loss of 9

LSD

18th May 2005, 21:54

74 for the NDP a gain of 62

:lol: Never gonna happen...

and 54 for the Quebec seperatist party a loss of 9

Whaaah?!?

I don't know where you're getting your info from but the Bloc currently has 54 seats, and all indications are that they'll increase that number in the next election.

Using last elections results of seats per % the first polls results would ceonvey

Yeah, but that's not going to happen since the Libs will probably win on Thursday and Harper won't try again for a while. So we're most likely looking at at least another couple of months, probably next year.

Major. Rudiger

19th May 2005, 01:16

Yea, dont late the consertives win.
:unsure:

Ok one thing i dont get... How do the partys gain more seats...?

RedStarOverChina

19th May 2005, 01:22

U know, if I were to vote, I'd vote for the Green Party...Its alot more progressive than the NDP and much more likely to become something than the Communist Parties.

My english teacher teacher almost became the federal election candidate for the Green Party untill he decided that his children were more important. My teacher is CRAZY---almost as radical as I am(both of us agree that the Green Party should be more radical), which is quite remarkable in a private school. I have no doubt that he is a genius.

cormacobear

19th May 2005, 02:33

Have you read the Green party's economics platform they're farther right than the Liberals.

http://lp.greenparty.ca/tiki-index.php?pag...cs+subcommittee (http://lp.greenparty.ca/tiki-index.php?page=Finance+and+Economics+subcommittee)

RedStarOverChina

19th May 2005, 03:01

why would u say so? they wanna tax corporations as right now they are not paying much

cormacobear

19th May 2005, 03:45

They want to reduce corperate taxes :o They want to weaken the staggered tax system in favour of flat taxes, like consumption taxes and a national growth tax.
They want to phase out childcare support for under threes, they have no plan for equal accessible affordable national childcare.

The Ministry of Truth?
The Green Party will establish a Ministry to promote pro-social values

Strengthening Marriage and Two-Parent Families

That's all from ten minutes on there site which is very difficult to find point by point platform and policy details. What is there in the NDP policies that you dissaprove of? www.ndp.ca

RedStarOverChina

19th May 2005, 04:00

what?? hmmmm. I will ask my teacher tomorrow about this. He is still a prominent of the Green party.

cormacobear

19th May 2005, 08:23

I've been reading a bunch more of the Green party platform. Some of their ideas are brilliant, creative solutions to many of the country's problems. That said if you take their fiscal plan and their transportation plan alone they bankrupt the country cut our agriculture by an easy 15% Heavy taxation on pesticides, deisel, tractors, transport, processing all will skyrocket in cost, amid dramatic loss of international investment, they'll end subsidies for highways etc etc. not maintaining the infrastructure.

Like I said many of their ideas are brilliant, but most unfeasableat first glance or when combined with other platform policies. I think they could do more as a think tank coming up with good ideas, and not taking a third of the left wing vote.

I've seen recent polls that when combined the NDP and the greens combined held 29% of the pop. vote 29% puts the NDP into contention for leadership. But as long as the left wing vote is as divided as it has always been the two parties will continue to hold one another back.

RedStarOverChina

19th May 2005, 19:49

I c...I have always advocated that the leftists of all sorts should work together at least temporarily to defeat the rightists one at a time.

RedStarOverChina

19th May 2005, 19:56

I detect in the debate a strong emotional axe to grind against the big bad corporations as some depository of disproportionate wealth and power. Without numbers at hand, I understand that the vast majority of corporations are family businesses, small and medium private businesses, family farms, and mom & pop shops who incorporated for fiscal and legal reasons. Even cooperatives of all types are structured as corporations with shareholders. It is very easy and inexpensive to incorporate.

I trust that the proponents of taxing corporations are really talking about the very large impersonal transnational corporations, a very small proportion of the total count of corporations. However, there is a long continuum of corporations in terms of size, community roots, ethical behaviour, and personal investments. One cannot draw the line very easily and make the legal distinction. So while the emotional concern may be specific, the legal implementation of that concern cannot be specific. Any tax laws arising from the social agenda hits all corporations.

So please be careful with the language and the target of your concern about corporations. You are talking about Joe Farmer and his family farm.

I C. U misread their policy. Their taxation plan wasnt directed against petty bourgeoise but huge corporations instead. Altho we have an "progressive taxation plan", most corporations arent paying them. Thats the problem, according to the Green Party.

OleMarxco

19th May 2005, 22:28

Important thing to know about Canada:
Add "mm'kay" at the end of every odd sentence, talk in a pseudo-french accent and learn to ride a horse. Trust me, you'll need it :D

Originally posted by "(Mao's little Red) Star over China"
I c...I have always advocated that the leftists of all sorts should work together at least temporarily to defeat the rightists one at a time.

Learn to add two posts togheter!
Anyknowhows; Why not, all of them, in one big-fell SWOOP!?
WOOP! There they go, flush't down're toilet!
:blink:

LSD

19th May 2005, 23:49

Well, that settles it.

No election this month!

cult.45

19th May 2005, 23:56

If the Conservatives come into power, I am leaving the country. I too live in Alberta, in Medicine Hat. I'm in Grade 12, and in social studies, all this ridiculously misguided conservative punks always talk about how horrible the liberals are. How disgusting. It pisses me off when people think that conservatives know how to run a country. Brian Mulroney prooved that to us when he attemptied to run this country like a fucking business. Not much I can do though, consevatives had 80% of the vote in my riding in the last election.

cormacobear

20th May 2005, 00:01

The greens have the same plan to lower corperate taxes as the lIberals have.

But the point is moot now the vote tied ans thus the speaker got to voe and he is a Liberal. I suppose I should be happy there are a lot of good things (thanks to the NDP) in the budget. But being a political buff I was kind of looking forward to one. Kind of selfish but the NDP has gone from 13% to 22% since the elction.