Photo editing, Once in the USSR now in the media - Editing p

[Hayduke]

I came across the website
( http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/classes/cs...2101/false.html (http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/classes/csci_2101/false.html) )

It deals with the edit of photos by stalin, a way he destroyed evidence. By editing photos he could change the past.
And who controls the past controls the future.

Here an example:

" Leon Trotsky was a close friend of Lenin, and shared his idealistic ideas about the communist state. In the following photograph he can be seen together with Lenin. "

http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/classes/csci_2101/trotsky-orig1.jpg

" The next image is nearly identical, however Trotsky is removed from it. "

http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/classes/csci_2101/trotsky-alt1.jpg

" The historical reason for this alteration is that Stalin eventually began to see Trotsky as a threat and labeled him an "enemy of the people". After he was deported from the Soviet Union in 1929, Trotsky critisized Stalin's leadership, arguing that the dictatorship Stalin exercised was based on his own interests, rather than those of the people. This contributed substantially to Trotsky's removal from photographs and history. ".

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But we all know that Stalin used propaganda to keep his power, but now comes the sick part of it all. It does happen in todays magazines. Here's an example:

http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/classes/csci_2101/ojcovers.gif

" The Newsweek cover is the original mugshot, whereas the Time cover is digitally manipulated. O.J.Simpson's face is darker, blurrier and unshaven3. The photographer that manipulated the picture said that he "wanted to make it more artful, more compelling"3. It is here that the ethical issues arise. News photographs should either be authentic or not be published at all. Any manipulation distorts the truth. It is clear that on the cover of Time, O.J.Simpson looks more sinister than he does on the cover of newsweek. The photographers intention to make the cover more compelling failed miserably, since the matter raised so much discussion. This goes to show that best intentions are often not good enough and that ethical principles should be applied when decisions are made.
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The site also explains that there as companies that will remove unwanted people from photos, imagine that if local are able
to do so much things with photos, what the secret services can do ? This really makes me sick.

Bas

[Revolution Hero]

Quote: from D DAY on 7:50 pm on Aug. 31, 2002
I came across the website
( http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/classes/cs...2101/false.html (http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/classes/csci_2101/false.html) )

It deals with the edit of photos by stalin, a way he destroyed evidence. By editing photos he could change the past.
And who controls the past controls the future.

Here an example:

" Leon Trotsky was a close friend of Lenin, and shared his idealistic ideas about the communist state. In the following photograph he can be seen together with Lenin. "

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If Trotsky stands together with Lenin, it doesn't mean that he was Lenin's frined and shared his MATERIALISTIC IDEAS. ( NOT IDEALISTSIC).

You better read my thread in the theory, and you'll see what Lenin thought of Trotsky.

[I Bow 4 Che]

I checked out the site, very intresting. Yet it is no surprise to me people are editing photos, it is so easy to do. What bothers me tho, it you cant much tell if somethings real nowdays. If photos don't mean anything, what does?

Sorry to get off subject, the point of this post was really to state that the site was interesting.

-end rant-

[Hayduke]

Quote: from Revolution Hero on 2:59 pm on Aug. 31, 2002

Quote: from D DAY on 7:50 pm on Aug. 31, 2002
I came across the website
( http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/classes/cs...2101/false.html (http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/classes/csci_2101/false.html) )

It deals with the edit of photos by stalin, a way he destroyed evidence. By editing photos he could change the past.
And who controls the past controls the future.

Here an example:

" Leon Trotsky was a close friend of Lenin, and shared his idealistic ideas about the communist state. In the following photograph he can be seen together with Lenin. "

[


If Trotsky stands together with Lenin, it doesn't mean that he was Lenin's frined and shared his MATERIALISTIC IDEAS. ( NOT IDEALISTSIC).

You better read my thread in the theory, and you'll see what Lenin thought of Trotsky.


That was a quote from the site RH.

[Marxman]

It's true. Stalin did a lot of editing of pictures and books to falsify Trotsky as a Menshevik and a Gestapo agent. But the most stupid falisification is that he was considered a Gestapo agent. Trotsky was a Jew, his name (Lev Davidovich Bronstein) explains it all, so how can he be a Gestapo agent. I'll tell you how, only if you're stupid enough to believe to Stalin. Stalin accused him of being a Menshevik, but Stalin was the one who had Menshevik politics. Stalin couldn't falsify Lenin to that degree because everyone knew his main role in the October revolution. Lenin's collected works were published very edited under Stalin, as they only had 7 volumes but under Khrushchev, LCW suddenly had 51 volumes. Trotsky's books like "Revolution betrayed" or "Stalin school of falsification" or "Stalin's gangsters" or "Fascism, Stalinism and The United Front" or "Stalinism and Bolshevism" were never even out in the open. And now after this goddamn terror of stalinism, people can read this and learn what really happened. Picture editing, that's the least Stalinism could do to falsify communism.

[Turnoviseous]

If you ahven´t noticed, not only Trotsky, but also Zinoviev(I think that that is he) is removed from picture....

[Marxman]

zinoviev was in the triumvirate of Stalin and suddenly stalin purged him and edited photos of him. What a shmuck that Stalin was. I bet he killed his own mother in those puges.

[Revolution Hero]

Quote: from D DAY on 8:23 pm on Aug. 31, 2002

Quote: from Revolution Hero on 2:59 pm on Aug. 31, 2002

Quote: from D DAY on 7:50 pm on Aug. 31, 2002
I came across the website
( http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/classes/cs...2101/false.html (http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/classes/csci_2101/false.html) )

It deals with the edit of photos by stalin, a way he destroyed evidence. By editing photos he could change the past.
And who controls the past controls the future.

Here an example:

" Leon Trotsky was a close friend of Lenin, and shared his idealistic ideas about the communist state. In the following photograph he can be seen together with Lenin. "

[


If Trotsky stands together with Lenin, it doesn't mean that he was Lenin's frined and shared his MATERIALISTIC IDEAS. ( NOT IDEALISTSIC).

You better read my thread in the theory, and you'll see what Lenin thought of Trotsky.


That was a quote from the site RH.


The story with the editted pictures is true. But this site is made by the uneducated people. They are not leftists, that's for sure.

[mooseboy84]

you all should go buy this book and read it.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...=books&n=507846 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1574881663/qid=1031104860/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/002-7655025-9502416?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)

thanks to cpan book tv for showing that man a reading, otherwise i wouldnt know about it. its really interesting to "see" all the lies. even as far back as civil war, a guy for hapers bazaar magzine wanted to make gettysburg look really bad, so he added 3 to 4 times as many bodies to his pictures of the dead soldiers on the battlefield.

this is a great book, the man worked for the CIA! if he told this much, can you imagine what really must happen in this world.