need to start a revolution... [Archive]

absolu+e_revolu+ionary

24th April 2005, 18:28

hi... i am a big fan on the ideologies put forward by che and the thoughts of lennin and marx... we need to revolt and make a difference. small revolutions in each town of the globe will amount to something. we have to try right? i think the world needs to know that utopia can be attained and that eradication of capitalism is a great thing!! we have to be free. not be slaves to the government and live our lives oppressed because we cant rise up... we overcame slavery... we can overcome this bondage! we have to, without social classes there is no discrimination... ahhh its possible

revolt

Totalitarian Militant

28th April 2005, 18:02

And how do you expect anyone to show you respect with talk like this?

Pathetic.

bunk

28th April 2005, 18:22

All you say is true. Personally i think we need more time but some people will still be saying it's not time yet when a revolution coulkd happen.

absolu+e_revolu+ionary

28th April 2005, 22:54

ah why is it pathetic?? its just i feel that a revolution needs to happen... are you happy with the way the world is?? do you not have compassion and feelings for anything?? ah you can think its pathetic if you want... its just what i believe... i dont ask for respect i am just saying what i believe, just as you are. sorry if i offended you but ah they are my thoughts....

Black Dagger

29th April 2005, 05:50

Although your heart is admirable, you're not being realistic.

small revolutions in each town of the globe will amount to something.

No, they won't. First of all, there WON'T be 'small revolutions' happening any time soon, at least where i live, as much as i would like to see that happen, there clearly is not enough class consciousness (in any advanced capitalist country, and anywhere else i can think of for that matter), for this to happen, and for it to work. 'Leading' a series of small, and isolated 'revolutions' is a naive strategy, doomed to failure, 'the emancipation of the working class is the act of the working class', remember? And at the moment the 'working class' is not 'conscious' enough for this to happen.
That's our job! We need to help raise the consciousness of the class, get out our ideas, to proliferate society with the 'spirit of rebellion', be subversive, spark critical examination of capitalist society, so that the working class can emancipate itself.

Ignore totalitarian militant.

we have to try right? i think the world needs to know that utopia can be attained and that eradication of capitalism is a great thing!!

Of course we have to 'try', but 'leading' a 'revolution' without any support from the working class is NOT the right way to go, unless 'we' want a dictatorship of 'the party' or some small political elite. As for the second part, there's no such thing as 'utopia'.

Ell Carino

29th April 2005, 11:45

Revolution has to be violent and tactical... if a revolution is to be successful guerillas must hit the US Government where it hurts:
- Pentagon needs be overtaken
- Congress needs to be taken
- The White House needs to be taken
- Corporations that fund the millitary needs to be taken.
- Banks needs to be overtaken

We need thousands, if not millions.It would have to be swift and unexpected; you cannot forget the defence mchanisms that the Bush Administration has. Some of you may be wondering why I specifically talking about America... well i feel that America needs to be revolutionalised because that is the real figurehead of the real Axis of Evil.

A revolution has to take place before robots that can kill are succesfully produced; the U.S Government is at the moment building new robots every year, and they are getting more advanced.

Jersey Devil

29th April 2005, 12:05

If only you realized how childish you sound.

Ell Carino

29th April 2005, 14:15

Originally posted by Jersey [email protected] 29 2005, 11:05 AM
If only you realized how childish you sound.
Who's that directed at? Mr Subliminal...

SpeCtrE

29th April 2005, 14:22

Everyone is a learner here Jersey Devil. You need to give those learners who sound like a child a chance,... lay off.

Do something about that attitude.

rice349

29th April 2005, 14:33

with the presence of a labor aristocracy in the united states, with the only true proletarian being the black/latino and minority of white workers, communist revolution (or revolution of any sort) won't be coming for a very, very, very long time. The majority of workers in the U.S. receive almost full value for their labor, they don't know suffering or poverty.

Domingo

29th April 2005, 15:00

Want to start a revolution, hu?

Well good luck with that.

You are probably some kid in his moms house doing nothing with his life, waiting and only "sharing his idealoligys" rather than getting off his ass and doing something about it.

Let me explain something to everyone:

An exaple of "successful" revolutions are one of the Capilatistic enemy:

The American Revolution:

Do you think that only the POOR, dumb, peasents that had no military or public meaning just came together and drove out the most powerful empire in the world? Hell no! They had the rich help them, the land owners, people who could supply and have a say in how things work because people respected them.

Just not anyone can start a revolution. I dont care how dedicated you are to the cause. If the people dont like you you are screwed. If the people like you and you cant keep your promise due to lack of supplys, moral, or w/e, then you are doomed to fail.

Revolutions are rare because there are only poor people wanting them. Do you really think the RICH people would like what the results would be? Not unless it helps them in some way, which in most of the peoples cause is only for the poor.

Cal

29th April 2005, 15:31

Domingo

29th April 2005, 15:38

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 02:31 PM

Revolution has to be violent and tactical... if a revolution is to be successful guerillas must hit the US Government where it hurts:
- Pentagon needs be overtaken
- Congress needs to be taken
- The White House needs to be taken
- Corporations that fund the millitary needs to be taken.
- Banks needs to be overtaken

We need thousands, if not millions.It would have to be swift and unexpected; you cannot forget the defence mchanisms that the Bush Administration has. Some of you may be wondering why I specifically talking about America... well i feel that America needs to be revolutionalised because that is the real figurehead of the real Axis of Evil.

A revolution has to take place before robots that can kill are succesfully produced; the U.S Government is at the moment building new robots every year, and they are getting more advanced.

ok, now that was as funny as it gets in ways indeed lol.

I tried not laughing that hard due to me being in public at the time.

OMG, please...just stop there..you are killing me, or no, wait, the robots will be when we revolutionize America, lol.

DoomedOne

30th April 2005, 07:09

Come on guys give a little respect. People who receive understanding of the way the world works usually end up becoming very radical. Can't just watch it all go down the way it is right? I'm a firm believer that the only form of a perfect government is one that changes. However, I'm also a firm believer that non-violence is the only way to solve problems. There's a lot of crap we have to watch go down in this world, it's hard not to be inspired to start a revolution now and then. Best way to do so is not try and revolutionize your local mall or anything, you have to help try and educate people. Don't jump the gun.

Enragé

30th April 2005, 17:45

"The majority of workers in the U.S. receive almost full value for their labor, they don't know suffering or poverty. "

thats an absolute and utter falsehood. Just because the crumbs the american proletariat get are slightly bigger than the ones the, say, ecuadorian proletariat gets, does not take anything away from the fact THEY'RE STILL CRUMBS

bolshevik butcher

30th April 2005, 21:27

very true, otherwise they'd be in socialism. :P

Enragé

1st May 2005, 03:05

exactly, and we all know that aint true

absolu+e_revolu+ionary

2nd May 2005, 19:30

a few things to begin with,.... all those people who are saying everyone is childish.. well to be honest you sound like you have a really big fat ass ego and just think that u are doing something to start a revolution... u morons.... if u gonna say something like that then tell us what u have done to revolt?? u have to start with ideas... and yes that post was funny but tbh america has total control over the rest of the world.. i dont know how u can ignore that when they just bomb and bomb and invade and "liberate" countries... lol its jus about power and it comes with greed and wealth and USA have a lot of that. and yes they are on about making robots to go into war with AI and making robots to help out with other stuff using "AI" ah lol it may sound childish to say that they will over rule us but all u need is free will and look wot happens.... i.e whats happened to the world?? oh well yes any thing that is a theory that isnt comlpetely normal is dismissed?? lol u need to look at how the world took to religion... a simple belief turns into a maelstrom on death and confusion... like i said... free will is all anything needs

ah all the "superior" people here think they know what they are on about?? well please share with us ur opinion and how you would start a revolution... u have to start small and revolt against local capitalism but yes i agree no one would really follow this.... ah if only more people shared the same views of freedom... but the problem is that the world is too greedy and ignorant to notice anything

haha oh well....

Domingo

3rd May 2005, 04:06

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2005, 06:30 PM
a few things to begin with,.... all those people who are saying everyone is childish.. well to be honest you sound like you have a really big fat ass ego and just think that u are doing something to start a revolution... u morons.... if u gonna say something like that then tell us what u have done to revolt??
Already have, comrade. Read and learn and you will recieve.

I can tell you this though, just by your words you are just a child. Do not lecture is about something you will be to young to participate in because you will run in fear in the thought that your life is more important than the cause and your comrades.

Child, prove me wrong.

Bush es alegre

3rd May 2005, 06:22

most people here are right, a revolution would do good, but it would cause more problems than it would solve, they only way to cause a true revolution is with violance, and shouldn't we work on ending the violance out their befor we cause more and add to the turmoil?

Heretic

3rd May 2005, 23:39

How the hell can all of you stand for your causes and not realize what needs to been done? How can you say you're a communist when communism is based around the revolution of the proletariat? Revolution is both possible and nessacery in the United States. Use your fucking mind, stop conforming to single ideas and thoughts and open your mind to new ideas.

NovelGentry

3rd May 2005, 23:43

communism is based around the revolution of the proletariat

Unfortunately we only represent a very VERY small minority of the proletariat. Can't exactly have a class uprising without your class by your side.

coda

3rd May 2005, 23:44

As my friend use to say to her mother, "Ay Ay, Captain."

Heretic

4th May 2005, 00:12

NovelGentry

4th May 2005, 00:22

I think Indigo's signature proves useful at this moment "I began revolution with 82 men. If I had to do it again, I do it with 10 or 15 and absolute faith. It does not matter how small you are if you have faith and plan of action. ~ Fidel Castro" Exactly what I would have said.

Well since maybe half of the original numbers survived the initial attack when they landed (I think it was about half) they'd probably be dead if they started with 10 or 15 and Cuba would be no different than it was 50 years ago.

You might also want to remember that not every country is the same as Cuba. Cuba was not an advanced capitalist nation, it's military was primarily supplied with American arms. There were a lot of pissed off people there because of the shit conditions the US imposed on the country. The infrastructure was far less developed and a lot easier to overcome than it would be in any advanced capitalist nation.

The reason we don't revolt is because all the people who'd like to revolt have romantic dreams of Guerrilla warfare or protest overthrows ala Russia 1917. Unfortunately most nations which are materially capable of advancing to true socialism are no where near Russia, China, or Cuba during their respective revolutions. You cannot simply assume every single paradigm that worked in the past in a completely different land with completely different conditions is going to have any success anywhere else. If you refuse to recognize this you're in for a whole lot of hurt and disappointment and no glorious revolution.

If you think 10 to 15 men is all it takes, and more, if you think that is PROPER (that is, to have a vanguard which then imposes itself over the proletariat) you can surely find 10 or 15 like minded 13-17 year olds on this site who all agree. Grab your BB guns and have at it wherever you happen to live.

Some of us want a real and lasting revolution and we realize it is a class struggle, not the struggle of a dozen people with a revolutionary wet dream.

Is this an excuse? Of course. I have no qualms about making excuses as why we should not take part in death wishes.

coda

4th May 2005, 00:30

yeah, but ya know why he said that? He started out with 82 men, but when they landed and got immediately attacked they ended up with about 28 men.. and out of those 28 only 10 or 15 showed to be good revolutionary soldiers.

I think that whole story is amazing!

Fidel is the consummate eternal optimist.

My other favorite anedote of him:

After they landed the Granma.. shippedwrecked against the rocks, and were immediately attacked by Batista waiting troops --- and down to 28 men. They were hiding in the sugar cane fields, -- lying flat on the ground while Batista's troops walked amongst the cane..... Fidel could hear and see their legs through the canes and said to the soldier next to him, probably Raul or Camilo---

"We are winning--- Victory is Mine."

gotta love him.

coda

4th May 2005, 00:38

Che believed that too. In the African's Diaries, his notes to Fidel said something of the sort of "don't send hundreds of men, send me 5 good ones."

One good loyal smart revolutionary is worth a hundred mediocre ones.

Cooler Reds Will Prevail

4th May 2005, 01:38

ah all the "superior" people here think they know what they are on about?? well please share with us ur opinion and how you would start a revolution... u have to start small and revolt against local capitalism but yes i agree no one would really follow this.... ah if only more people shared the same views of freedom... but the problem is that the world is too greedy and ignorant to notice anything

haha oh well....

Soooo... What exactly are you saying? You claimed that you wanted to start a revolution with local revolts, then you say that most people won't support it... So you're proposing minority revolution? Quite immoral in my opinion... As other members on this board noted, there must be the necessary conditions in a country in order for a revolution to take place there, and those conditions vary from country to country. The Cuban revolution was vastly different from its Russian counterpart, and in the United States a VAST guerrilla force spread all throughout the country... Unlike Russia where only a few designated locations needed to be taken, cities such as Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego, Sacramento, Seattle, and Portland would need to be taken JUST ON THE WEST COAST. You can't do this until you have the support of the local population, which even you stated we wouldn't have.

Another point is that, in my opinion, now is not the time to revolt in the United States. The Communist movement needs to concern itself with creating a human image for its beliefs; according to many we are too cold, orthodox, and authoritarian, a notion we need to change. People think Communism=Stalin which we know isn't true, but until we change that image we will continue to have no support within the U.S.

But if you so adamantly believe in a revolution now, please, enlighten us on how you plan to do this, where you'd get the funds/weapons, how you will mobilize, who would volunteer, how would you take cities, etc. I'd love to hear your plan for imminent success.

Originally posted by "NovelGentry"
Well since maybe half of the original numbers survived the initial attack when they landed (I think it was about half) they'd probably be dead if they started with 10 or 15 and Cuba would be no different than it was 50 years ago.

Agreed, as much as Che and Fidel might speak of quality over quantity, the truth is that numbers are important because (1) the enemy doesn't know who your valuable guerrillas are, and (2) you need as much help as you can get. If you have 15 of absolute faith and thats all, you can fight valiantly but will be defeated very quickly. if you have those same 15 of absolute faith and 200 more who volunteered for the cause, it becomes much more feasible.

coda

4th May 2005, 02:43

Yes, my quote pertains to Fidel's analysis of the Cuban Revolution and Che's to his experiences of warfare in remote locales and does not necessarily apply to developed countries with larger logistics. Urban Revolution will be much different than Rural revolution and overthrowing a stratocracy will be much different than overthrowing a Czarist.

However, Fidel is correct in his analysis of the Cuban Revolution. He seemed to have had a lot of good intentioned peasants who although were not trained for guerilla warfare and 15 or 20 who were prepared that made the difference.

Heretic

4th May 2005, 20:13

Oh no, I understand that 10 or 15 will not suffice. I'm really not half as stupid as you think I may be. I understand what country this is. I understand what needs to be done. I was merely pointing out that it is not always the quantity. I suppose I was backing someone up (don't remember their name, too lazy to check). In any case, it can only be acheived by the support of the proletariat (Obviously already established) Soo... If the proletariat was increased in number (This may sound immoral and sick, but just hang on) temporarily, then the support would come in a bigger quantity. Once they are motivated they will act. If you think about somebody saying like, "Oh they're hurting you don't take it" and they respond by "Oh well it's the only way for me to make a living" then you kind of have to make them realize they are hurt. You need to push them. That's the idea. Once the masses are pushed to act, they will. Of course at this time, we don't have "masses" who would cooperate, that's why we must create them ourselves.

OleMarxco

4th May 2005, 21:01

Renember cuba was a small country, relatively speaking, of course. PERHAPS 15 men could've been enough, but...it would've needed more tactics and careful progress, if not more stealth strategy, so...PERHAPS NOT. I'd wager 82 men is a fine number, I'd give Castro 'rat 'tho...BUT...what the hell, "create" the masses? Trough perservation, and trough convincement, we shall sway them to THEIR own side, by our words and acts. Educate them of what reality they forget.

Back to the starting subject at hand....Of course the only successful revolutions has been those aided by the rich - because they control the resources that could be needed to do a revolution. But would they? No. But the poor could always STEAL from them - what belongs to the lower class, nevertheless, since it's the workers who made them, and - then overthrow the country. THEM withouth weapons, YOU with THEM at the point of a gun? TRY THE GAIN! :cuba:

MKS

5th May 2005, 01:09

thats an absolute and utter falsehood. Just because the crumbs the american proletariat get are slightly bigger than the ones the, say, ecuadorian proletariat gets, does not take anything away from the fact THEY'RE STILL CRUMBS

Ask the Ecuadorian if he would like to trade his crumbs for American ones, he (she) would jump at the chance. While there is real poverty in America, it is no where as bad as Calcutta, Lima, South Africa, etc, etc. The truth is that the material reality is not in place in America, the soft middle classes and most working classes see no need for revolution. that is why the first goal of American Socialists/communists should be the destruction of American hegemony/imperialism. This will free the developing world and allow them greater self determination, an hopefully spark more socialist acceptance in North America.

Domingo

5th May 2005, 04:41

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 11:12 PM
I think Indigo's signature proves useful at this moment "I began revolution with 82 men. If I had to do it again, I do it with 10 or 15 and absolute faith. It does not matter how small you are if you have faith and plan of action. ~ Fidel Castro" Exactly what I would have said.
Domt forget:

Communism was more popular in the 60's.

I guess you can say it was a hit with 3rd world countrys. It beat the capitalistic ideals of greed.

Communism showed equality and unity among the people.

Now in modern day America, it is all about #1, yourself. Capilatisic ideals have been forged into their minds without them realizing it.

82 men and women for a cause such as a revolution could easily be sumed up as a terrorist group and "silenced" due to Americas national security systems.

Fidel's secret weapon was Communism because the people wanted it. We on the other hand have nothing (atleast I dont).

coda

5th May 2005, 05:57

Ahhh, everybody knows it was the 1 man whose strategy won the Cuban Revolution -- Che--- when he derailed the train carrying Batistas weapons supply. Shit, they really didn't have to go through all that fighting... they could have just waited for the train to come by. :lol:

Ours won't be so perfect.

workersunity

5th May 2005, 06:28

we need to get the masses together, then and only then will socialists revolutions come about

coda

5th May 2005, 07:30

Yes. It won't seem such a daunting task if we gather the masses from our own particular locations and then join together as a huge conglomerate.

I was thinking the other day.... if the masses, these sometimes huge numbers at these protests, ever came together--- organized and in uniform, marching in rank single file and with concealed weapons, to match their army or national guards --- God, would they shit their pants. They don't fear us yet.

Domingo

5th May 2005, 14:32

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 06:30 AM

I was thinking the other day.... if the masses, these sometimes huge numbers at these protests, ever came together--- organized and in uniform, marching in rank single file and with concealed weapons, to match their army or national guards --- God, would they shit their pants. They don't fear us yet.
Your inner meaning is a great one but should stay in dreams.

If you were to have concealed guns in America without proper age or license, the police have certain "rights" to proctect the people.

Get what I am saying.

The Garbage Disposal Unit

5th May 2005, 15:21

You can't immediately launch a successful violent overthrow of an imperialist nation with 15 people, but you can begin building a leadership of ideas - relating to people, and building strength. As conditions advance, revolutionary movements will build up strength, and the moment for low level struggle might appear - the trick then is to not confuse insurection with revolution. Insurection and propaganda by deed can be useful as crisis approaches, and to help generate and exagerate crisis - but I don't think we should have dellusions about the need to mobilize the population at large. 10,000 radicals might fire the first shots, but the millions will win the ultimate victories.

Winston Smith

5th May 2005, 16:22

Wait for the oil based economie to colapse and then start revolutions in small towns and gater resorces and experience. Then take over military instilations. Hell get someone inside NORAD's bunker and take it then its over. Far fetched for the second part but still, we can dream can't we?

coda

5th May 2005, 16:29

Well, 100,000 leftist certainly can't march down the streets with unconcealed weapons. That's what I'm saying.

Of course it's an unrequited dream!!! Who's going to trade in their drum for a gun!!! Not this generation. But, it's still fun to imagine it.

:ph34r:

Black Dagger

5th May 2005, 17:07

You also seem to be forgetting that most leftists in the advanced capitalist countries don't know how to use a gun/guns :P

absolu+e_revolu+ionary

6th May 2005, 10:59

ah im jus saying every one is slamming each others ideas without good reason... all of us want freedom and to away from the social classes.. to rid ourselves of the state and not be thrown into a capitalist state. but then no1 says anything about how they would revolt at all... like its been said u dont need a lot men just the people with the right mind and belief in what they are doing... im not sure how to revolt yet but no one else on here does to me... no one else is saying their plans so i think theres great hypocriticism goin on here cos everyone is sayin how stupid everyone else is but not backing it up with their own thoughts

well one things for sure the world shud be different and we are the future generation, do we stand up and fight and be counted or do we conform to the sheepish ways of modern man and fuel the capitalist state i know which id prefer to do..

RedAnarchist

6th May 2005, 11:03

Originally posted by Black [email protected] 5 2005, 04:07 PM
You also seem to be forgetting that most leftists in the advanced capitalist countries don't know how to use a gun/guns :P
Doesnt mean that they wouldnt want to learn how to.

Anyway, with all these computer games around, i'm sure they know a little about different guns anyway,

Misbach

22nd June 2005, 11:20

Hello Absolute Revolutionary !!

First of all, let me say how admirable your dream and zest towards a revolution are ! Ideas and dreams are one thing, but without the courage to dream and the zest to mantain its spirit, they won't mean a goddamn thing..
I won't start patronizing you or anyone else, here. Instead, I would just like to share a few experiences I had, during the FAILED pseudo-Revolution in Indonesia, back in 1998.
As a student activist back then, I was blessed with the chance of partaking, in some of the most violent and nerve wrecking battles, ever to grace the students movement's history. One of which I shall never forget, is the 14 hours siege and firing of my campus, in the Semanggi highway-interchange area. One which also claimed, 7 of my comrades lives.
That bloody incident occurs after the so-called civil-leaders, who gathered themselfs under the urging of students, decide to betray everything under the guise of PEACE !! Because they are too affraid to lead the massess into a full revolutionary uprising, we - Students and the Poor - are then SACRIFICED !! :angry:
And because so many so-called civil-activist preach head on about Non-Violence, the students' revolutionary zest, where then derailled. Many decides to forget the struggle...for fear of violence, some decide to become ultra-revolutionaries, and starts violence without planning nor strategy...and thus further defaming revolutionary movements and ideals.
Revolution, always demand an optimum amount of violence...sometimes even towards our own relatives, or people who are generally very close to you (believe me, I know how it feels). It also demand the ability, to suplement our dreams with pragmatic and concrete plannings. As well as to convince others, NOT TO BE SHEEP-LIKE MASSESS !!! It needs a lot of hard work and dedication. Not to mention the courage to stand upright, in the many different instances when we seemed to be ALONE!

I surely hope, you'll still mantain your courage to dream and zestful revolutionary dedication, even when you reach your thirties, like me now... :)

:che: Goodluck and salute !!!

farleft

22nd June 2005, 11:33

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 05:28 PM
hi... i am a big fan on the ideologies put forward by che and the thoughts of lennin and marx... we need to revolt and make a difference. small revolutions in each town of the globe will amount to something. we have to try right? i think the world needs to know that utopia can be attained and that eradication of capitalism is a great thing!! we have to be free. not be slaves to the government and live our lives oppressed because we cant rise up... we overcame slavery... we can overcome this bondage! we have to, without social classes there is no discrimination... ahhh its possible

revolt
I agree. I think what ever we can do it can only help us in attaining the goal.

The problem is finding people willing to rise up and resist.

If ive said it once ive said it a million times, there is no such thing as a peaceful communist revolution. Violence is the only way it will work.

Mr_Joker

24th June 2005, 15:41

The Thing In Canada, Is That The Vast Majority Of People Are Going To Die Soon..The Baby Boomers And Older. And When They Do We Have To Wonder How Our Generation Will Control tHe World. I Agree With Revolutionists Across Canada. Starting In Toronto. We Should Show Whats Going On, Cause Police, And Press Dont , Show All The NEws On Tv And The Newspaper, So we're unaware. There Shouldnt Be Any LeeWay For Any Hate Orientated Material To Be Reaching Society, And There Shouldnt Even Be A Heritage Front Even Exsisting In Toronto. Im Not Going To Rely On A Law Or Laws Either, cause They Wont Be There Protecting Your Ass When This Neo Nazi Bonehead, Jerked Off To American History X And Wants to gO Boot Kick SOme Black Kids, And other Teens in the face. This Should Be A Strong Force, With Toronto Mapped, Out, And running Quite Often, With Funding From Orginizations. Its Just A Thought. Be If There Should Be A REveolution, It Should Be Strong And Fierce, And Known To the Whole Town/city, and it should haunt those who are nazis.

OleMarxco

24th June 2005, 20:05

When the "vast majority" of the people dies..so does most of the "reactionaries", too, aswell...and the proletars too, unfortunately. Oh well. Status quo, is considered upheld ;)

You also seem to be forgetting that most leftists in the advanced capitalist countries don't know how to use a gun/guns

I have tried a pipe-rifle/air-rifle, once or twice, I thinkesth, back in the past! And uh, me 'sposeth, this summer, I will try me on a real fuckin' saloon rifle! It'll kick arse, I'm sure. Perhaps -- Who knows ~~ I'll even..BORROW....it - fer sum'time! :ph34r:

VoiceOfTheRiot

29th June 2005, 04:09

I think what everyone needs to realize is that the best way to revolt is, as corny as it sounds, to get an education. This generation seems to have no drive when it comes to staying informed on whats going on. Many young people today seem to feel that anything that happens now is not going to affect their future. If we can just convince our friends and family to just pay attention and realize how bad things are getting and how it will effect them I think people will finnaly wake up and start taking things seriously. Knowledge is power and we can take the power back. The thing that scares me is that when it comes time for this generation to stand up and be the ones on parade we'll end up w/ a Paris Hilton or Justin Timberlake in the white house.