The left

[Totalitarian Militant]

How come everyone from the left, who wants to gain power in American, does nothing but bad mouth the country?
All I see or hear from liberals, democrats, and others is what this country has done wrong, and how bad it was or is.
If its so bad, how come you want power in it?

[rice349]

while i cannot speak for liberals or democrats, since i'm neither. Many on the left (particularly those outside of the U.S.) talk badly about the United States for 2 reasons: frustration and nothing better to do.

There are many people who disagree heavily with american foreign policy and domestic policy so they debate, inform, discuss many of these things collectively on forums such as this. Some, but not all, do more than ***** and actually get off the computer and do work in trying to make a difference or create radical change. Others, perhaps disenchanted to do anything really radical, at least sometimes offer solutions to the problems in which they face.

The other group is those who just want to show how much a rebel they are and how "anti-establishment" they are--these are the ones wearing t-shirts with Che Guevara faces on them without knowing who he really is--or anarchists who don't even know what exactly it is they are espousing.

Liberals and democrats most of the time aren't worth talking to. They serve the bourgeois capitalists anyways, so if you're leaning left (far enouhg left anyways to be opposed to capitalism) then you wouldn't associate yourself with these. In america sense anyways the liberal and democrat aren't even left, but centre at best.

I, myself, am a marxist-leninist anti-revisionist, or as some would say "stalinist." So my views regarding the U.S. are particular and relative to me.

[redstar2000]

If it's so bad, how come we want power in it?

Short answer: to make it good, of course.

That's sort of obvious, isn't it?

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[Totalitarian Militant]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 11:15 AM
If it's so bad, how come we want power in it?

Short answer: to make it good, of course.

That's sort of obvious, isn't it?

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Half the country doesnt want you here to make it better, and like it the way it is.
Why dont you just go fix another country?
Why change it to your opinion?

Thats complete bs to me.
I wouldnt go to another country to to get elected and make it suit my needs.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Totalitarian Militant+Apr 24 2005, 12:43 AM--> (Totalitarian Militant @ Apr 24 2005, 12:43 AM)
[email protected] 22 2005, 11:15 AM
If it's so bad, how come we want power in it?

Short answer: to make it good, of course.

That's sort of obvious, isn't it?

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Half the country doesnt want you here to make it better, and like it the way it is.
Why dont you just go fix another country?
Why change it to your opinion?

Thats complete bs to me.
I wouldnt go to another country to to get elected and make it suit my needs. [/b]
Lots of reasons, can't afford to move, like the place you live already, son't speak any foreign languages, don't understand the customs, wouldn't be welcome, etc.

I think we need to be realistic about these things.

[Wolnosc-Solidarnosc]

Originally posted by Totalitarian [email protected] 23 2005, 11:43 PM
Why dont you just go fix another country?

Because people don't want their country ruined? I say this as someone from a country that commies came to "fix."

[Kaan]

Half the country doesnt want you here to make it better, and like it the way it is.
Why dont you just go fix another country?
Why change it to your opinion?

Thats complete bs to me.
I wouldnt go to another country to to get elected and make it suit my needs.

The reason that so much of the country is fine with the current state of affairs is because it works out in their favor, capitalism that is. The thing that you gotta do though, is analyze the reasons why everyones so fine with capitalism. This reason is that because of immense U.S. imperialism, the American public get to have an obesity epidemic, while the majority of the world is starving, the Yankees get to live like fat rats while the rest of the world is a shanty-town. The Americans are so happy because their government has been "fixing" the rest of the world since the end of WWII

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by Wolnosc-Solidarnosc
I say this as someone from a country that commies came to "fix."

Liked it better under the Nazis, did you?

That's why the commies came to your country to "fix it", remember?

Fact is, if it wasn't for the commies, you wouldn't even have a country.

(At this point, I will firmly resist the temptation to tell a few Polish jokes...even though this fool shows why people started telling them. :lol:)

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[Wolnosc-Solidarnosc]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 05:27 PM
Liked it better under the Nazis, did you?


Nope, liked it better when we were our own independant country. Should the red army be thanked for beating the nazis? yes. Should they be thanked for staying in the country where they weren't wanted and bringing it to ruin for 45 years? fuck no.

So you like ethnic jokes, do you? A true "leftist" if I&#39;ve ever seen one <_<

[Xvall]

Half the country doesnt want you here to make it better, and like it the way it is.
Why dont you just go fix another country?
Why change it to your opinion?

I could say the same thing of the right-wing, who insists on going to other countries and force-feeding them "democracy". If Iraq didn&#39;t want America to "make it better", why did it do it anyways?

The thing is, we badmouth America because if no one does it, no one is going to see what is wrong with the country and fix it. This is essential, even if the majority of the country doesn&#39;t care or see it as a problem.

In the 1700s, most of the country didn&#39;t see slavery as a problem. No one wanted to "fix it", "change it", or modify it in any manner. Does this mean it was correct? No, and thankfully some people stood up and spoke against it, even when the majority of the country didn&#39;t see slavery as a problem.

[13Commnists]

Half the country doesnt want you here to make it better, and like it the way it is.
Why dont you just go fix another country?
1.Stuffing the majority of your with propaganda that your country is the best in the world. Finding any way to silencing dissent and running propaganda campaigns against Dissident organizations, anti-capitalist ideoligies, discrediting their leaders, etc. That&#39;s why you (and the majority of people) don&#39;t want things changed.
2. Even if a revolution had happened and it succeeded the U.S. would do anything to get rid of it. Other reasons have already been mentioned.

[bed_of_nails]

We do not reform countries for our own needs, but we reform them in an attempt to make the world a better place. I will be one of the first to say, Stalin and his successors took a horrid approach to Communism (In my personal opinion), but most of us are out to do something different. We fight for the left because we see equality and happiness as something that should be achieved by all, not only the white, male, rich, right-wing people from a society.

[Encrypted Soldier]

Originally posted by Totalitarian [email protected] 22 2005, 03:55 AM
If its so bad, how come you want power in it?
Are you really that dumb? We want power in it so we can change it.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by Wolnosc&#045;Solidarnosc
Nope, liked it better when we were our own independant country.

Ah, I understand.

You like your fascism (1926-1939) mixed with holy water -- like your late pope.

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[Totalitarian Militant]

Originally posted by Encrypted Soldier+Apr 25 2005, 12:11 AM--> (Encrypted Soldier @ Apr 25 2005, 12:11 AM)
Totalitarian [email protected] 22 2005, 03:55 AM
If its so bad, how come you want power in it?
Are you really that dumb? We want power in it so we can change it. [/b]
You do realize there are other groups that dont like you right?

What happens after America is fixed? Where will you move next?

Dont call me dumb when Im just trying to bring up a point, and youre too ignorant to answer it without an insult.

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 11:15 AM
If it&#39;s so bad, how come we want power in it?

Short answer: to make it good, of course.

That&#39;s sort of obvious, isn&#39;t it?

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Common on down and bring lots of friends with you. Me and my buddies, some of them Vietnam vets, like shooting commies. As for me, I promise not kill you, I&#39;ll just aim for your knees. Can you please hurry? We don&#39;t want your visit to get in the way of hunting season.

Would that be a problem for the revolution? Me multiplied thousands of times over. I don&#39;t get to meet lots of commies taking target practice at the rifle range.

[bed_of_nails]

Hahahaha. I am interested in seeing how the other people on the board respond to your empty little threats. Honestly, I could care less if your friends are war vets or not. Just because we dont openly announce our revolutionary opinions on a rifle range doesnt mean we arent there. I personally am rather fond of the "Desert Eagle" 50 mm. Thats a damn hand-cannon right there.

[Pawn Power]

Common on down and bring lots of friends with you. Me and my buddies, some of them Vietnam vets, like shooting commies. As for me, I promise not kill you, I&#39;ll just aim for your knees. Can you please hurry? We don&#39;t want your visit to get in the way of hunting season.

Would that be a problem for the revolution? Me multiplied thousands of times over. I don&#39;t get to meet lots of commies taking target practice at the rifle range.

Wow, not funny, intelligent, or insightful.

[Totalitarian Militant]

Youre not gonna shoot anyone. You probably never held a gun.

[redstar2000]

I believe the technical name for them is keyboard kommandos -- they "get off" on making violent threats that they know full well they will never have to back up.

In real life, they&#39;re probably afraid of their wives and downright scared shitless by their employers. But they can be "real tough guys" on the internet.

Like that old cartoon: on the internet, nobody knows you&#39;re a dog. :lol:

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[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 11:57 PM
We do not reform countries for our own needs, but we reform them in an attempt to make the world a better place.
A better place based on your opinion.

Therefore, you strive to make the world work as you opine it should.

If it doesn&#39;t work the way you think it should, you view it as wrong.

Therefore, you work to reform countries so that you are right.

Talk about fulfilling your own needs.

[Black Dagger]

How self-serving to want a society based on meaningful liberty, equality and solidarity, fools every last one.

[bed_of_nails]

t_wolves_fan, are you talking about the kind of governmental change that your beloved United States performs all the time? Where they decide what the people need is true capitalism in the name of democracy, and then make it happen with military force if people dont like it?