why maoism is the same as nazism

[new democracy]

in both there is a totalitarian government. both oppress minorities(mao: tibet, manchuria) hitler(jews, gipsies, slavs, etc). both use personality cult. both use very cruel methods against their opponents. both killed millions of people(only mao killed more). both persecute gays. both conquered countries(mao conquered tibet and a small part of india). both ban religion. many maoists turn nazi in germany. both maoist and nazis arguments make no sense. maoists support stalin and everybody here(except the stalinists) say that stalinism is the same as fascism. pol pot was a maoist and he oppressed minorities too and killed allot of people. anyone wnat to back me up here?

(Edited by new democracy at 8:28 pm on Aug. 28, 2002)

[trebboR]

Think you got a point there new democracy, but I want to hear the maoist here defend themselfs against this before I can back you up for a 100%.

[Edelweiss]

There are some simularities between Nazism and maoism, but I think it would be wrong to say that's the same, that would be blatantly playing down Nazism.

[Mazdak]

ND, 1st you know how i feel about this whole religion thing. The nnazis, as far as i know, dont ban religion(a few exceptions of course).

2nd, why have you suddenly began these ridiculous attacks on maoism and stalinism?

[new democracy]

why do i start attack maoism and stalinism in a way that is not ridiculous at all? because they both advocate killing!!!!! if communists here want to approve they realy care about humanity, they shouldn't collaborate with stalinists!!!!!

[new democracy]

another question to the stalinists: WHAT THE FUCK IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN STALIN AND PINOCHET!?

[canikickit]

Quote: from new democracy on 12:30 am on Aug. 29, 2002
another question to the stalinists: WHAT THE FUCK IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN STALIN AND PINOCHET!?


I'm not a "Stalinist" but I don't think Pinochet is Russian.

I dunno about backing you up but Mao was a complete idiot.

anyone who tries to eradicate sparrows is crazy in my book (unless Lee Perry did, then it would be cool).

[new democracy]

and it is a well known fact that nazis and fascists are(at least the italians and the germans)proud atheists. in spain the fascists didn't accept atheism.

[man in the red suit]

Augosto Pinochet was from Chile and he was NOT a communist for anyone who cares.


I don't think Mao killed more people than Hitler, but I could be wrong.

[Turnoviseous]

Quote: from new democracy on 8:26 pm on Aug. 28, 2002
in both there is a totalitarian government. both oppress minorities(mao: tibet, manchuria) hitler(jews, gipsies, slavs, etc). both use personality cult. both use very cruel methods against their opponents. both killed millions of people(only mao killed more). both persecute gays. both conquered countries(mao conquered tibet and a small part of india). both ban religion. many maoists turn nazi in germany. both maoist and nazis arguments make no sense. maoists support stalin and everybody here(except the stalinists) say that stalinism is the same as fascism. pol pot was a maoist and he oppressed minorities too and killed allot of people. anyone wnat to back me up here?

(Edited by new democracy at 8:28 pm on Aug. 28, 2002)



Actually you got the major point there. You only forgot one thing.

Maoism and Stalinism have planned economy, Nazism does not...

In other things they are pretty same.

[new democracy]

what does the maoists have to say for the defence of their ideology?

[Cassius Clay]

Quote: from new democracy on 12:30 am on Aug. 29, 2002
another question to the stalinists: WHAT THE FUCK IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN STALIN AND PINOCHET!?


The Soviet Government between 1917-1991 never rounded up suspected leftists, socialists and Marxists put them into football staduims, shot them all, buried all the bodies in the middle of no where and then do it all when the next CIA check came in.

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from Cassius Clay on 11:39 am on Aug. 29, 2002
The Soviet Government between 1917-1991 never rounded up suspected leftists, socialists and Marxists put them into football staduims, shot them all, buried all the bodies in the middle of no where...

No they did that to right-wingers instead. It has the same effect though.

Doesn't Nazism have strong roots in Christianity btw??

[new democracy]

nazism have strong roots in german myths like the vikings. this myths were before Christianity.

[CheGuevara]

Stick your democratic socialist horse shit back where it came from, New Democracy(i.e. the capitalists and the bourgeoisis).

(Edited by CheGuevara at 3:11 pm on Aug. 29, 2002)

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from CheGuevara on 3:10 pm on Aug. 29, 2002
Stick your democratic socialist horse shit back where it came from, New Democracy(i.e. the capitalists and the bourgeoisis).

Wow...that's well mature. How's about you go back to your little world where you, a kid from NY State, and two Columbian guerrillas can overthrow the American system??

Don't like it?? Well don't give it out then...

[CheGuevara]

I'm glad your queer ass in is UK, one lesss democratic socialist piece of trash to not worry about subverting the movement. By the way, they're Guatemalan and I'm from New Jersey. If you're going to try and insult me, you could at least do a better job. Speaking of people being in their little worlds, you spend an awful lot of time on this board....

(Edited by CheGuevara at 4:21 pm on Aug. 29, 2002)


(Edited by CheGuevara at 4:22 pm on Aug. 29, 2002)

[new democracy]

CheGuevara, that is realy immature :biggrin: i dont believe in democratic socialism, if you want to know what i believe check my signature. and why dont you put your fucking ugly face in your mother pussy you fucking stalinist shit!!!!

[new democracy]

Quote: from new democracy on 5:03 pm on Aug. 29, 2002
and why dont you put your fucking ugly face in your mother pussy you fucking stalinist shit!!!!
and the same goes to maoist3!!!!

[guerrillaradio]

"I'm glad your queer ass in is UK..."

LMAO...this relates back to a conversation we had in Chit Chat once when he called all homosexuals "pansies" and "weak" btw. Needless to say, his opinion hasn't changed one iota in his (albeit) brief hiatus from this board.

"one lesss democratic socialist piece of trash to not worry about subverting the movement."

Wrong again matey. I'm no demo socialist...

"By the way, they're Guatemalan and I'm from New Jersey. If you're going to try and insult me, you could at least do a better job."

Ah whoops. Silly me, not bothering to read your repetitive and attention-seeking posts.

"Speaking of people being in their little worlds, you spend an awful lot of time on this board...."

LOL...so I'm a fag and a geek now am I Cheggers?? Christ man, get a hold of yourself. What have you been doing then?? I haven't read about any imminent revolutions in either Joisey or Uncle Sammy so obviously nothing worthwhile. Maybe you've been in the glitzy coffee houses hanging out with all those fashion designers you secretly love eh??

[Comrade Marcel]

Quote: from new democracy on 8:26 pm on Aug. 28, 2002
in both there is a totalitarian government. both oppress minorities(mao: tibet, manchuria) hitler(jews, gipsies, slavs, etc). both use personality cult. both use very cruel methods against their opponents. both killed millions of people(only mao killed more). both persecute gays. both conquered countries(mao conquered tibet and a small part of india). both ban religion. many maoists turn nazi in germany. both maoist and nazis arguments make no sense. maoists support stalin and everybody here(except the stalinists) say that stalinism is the same as fascism. pol pot was a maoist and he oppressed minorities too and killed allot of people. anyone wnat to back me up here?

(Edited by new democracy at 8:28 pm on Aug. 28, 2002)

[RedRevolutionary87]

pacifists make me sick!!!!!!!!, you have to kill, there is no revolution without deaths, persecuting right wingers is fine, there is nothing wrong with it, if they do something that will endanger the position of the proleteriat they should be killed, plain nd simple. mao did the best he could in a starving country, many more people died under the emporors, and an even larger amount would have starved under chung kai schek or however the fuk you spell it. maoism is not nazism, nazis are racists, maoism does presecute the tibetans cuz they are tibetans, its because of their political ideology, all communists are against religion, if your not your not a communist! mao helped feed millions, its not fucking easy to controll 1/5 of the worlds population, just compare imperial china, with maoist china and lastly nd if your not willing to fight a peoples war fet the fuck off this board or go lock yuorself up in socvcap, or just fuck off and die.

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from RedRevolutionary87 on 6:09 pm on Aug. 30, 2002
persecuting right wingers is fine, there is nothing wrong with it, if they do something that will endanger the position of the proleteriat they should be killed, plain nd simple.

That's fucking disgusting. Holding a political opinion is not a death sentence. To make it so is to eradicate the most basic of human rights. By your logic we should all be dead now. Think you idiot. Fucking think. People like you make me doubt this whole "movement". It's too full of triggerhappy bored pre-puberscents wanting to shoot their classmates. Go out into the real fucking world you moron.


all communists are against religion, if your not your not a communist!

No. The only criteria for being a communist is believing in the abolotion of private property.

[new democracy]

james connoly was religious.

[RedRevolutionary87]

read fucking marx you fucking idiot!! read read READ! DAMN IT...

if they are needed dead because they are endangering the movement then so be it, thats what i said, not because of the thought in their head, but because pf their actions, and no they cant kill us all, kill the proleteriat and kill yourself, who else will produce. im not trigger happy, dont call me trigger happy, and just once think that maybe the person your talking to might just kno their shit just a bit better, but is fed up with this shit, and doesnt want to explain things to morons all over again. marx advocated against religion, he was pro abolishment of religion, and by that you can only go so far, and thats destroying religious gatherings, establishments, and practices that leave the home, religion should be kept to yourself, if you keep it to yourself you have nothing to fear, but religious zealots are all fucking exibitionists, so please if you go to church, and think your priest or reverind or sheikh or rabi deserves his pay kuz he works hard for his pay check then dont dare call yourself a communist, being payed to read to people does nothing better for this world. please dont give me your pacifist shit, its getting old.

[VolareMIRCantare]

Pacifists are the future, one day all violent idiots wil learn the error of their ways and realize that only peaceful means can accomplish somthing. Violence doesn't work, and it doesn't solve anything. Didn't we learn anything in kindergarden, learn, learn, learn, LEARN DAMN IT!!!!

[RedRevolutionary87]

to get to that day where things can be acomplished without violence we need to chisle out the right environment, and that can only be done by removing by force the things tht are keeping us from it, no1 acomplished anything important peacefully, the corporate bussiness owners will not hand over their companies to you, and if they realize they are going down they willt ake you with them

[VolareMIRCantare]

That would be hypocritical, would you become a capitalist for communism???

[RedRevolutionary87]

if i knew that me exploiting these poeple for a few years would bring about a society that wouldnt exploit their children then yes yes i would

[VolareMIRCantare]

Ok, I am sorry, what I wrote about being a capitlist for communism was stupid but I would never do anything violent for communism. Killing or hurting anyone is not the same as becoming a capitalist. Humans are not meant to take the lives of others.

[guerrillaradio]

"read fucking marx you fucking idiot!! read read READ! DAMN IT..."

You're referring to Marxism not Communism then?

"if they are needed dead because they are endangering the movement then so be it, thats what i said, not because of the thought in their head, but because pf their actions..."

So if you were to take part in an anti-capitalist rally then you should be shot then??

"and no they cant kill us all, kill the proleteriat and kill yourself, who else will produce."

Course they wouldn't. They'd just kill the pro-left, regardless of "class", which would actually be a small minority.

"im not trigger happy, dont call me trigger happy, and just once think that maybe the person your talking to might just kno their shit just a bit better, but is fed up with this shit, and doesnt want to explain things to morons all over again."

Well that's really convinced me to kill all those opposing my cause. You aren't justifying yourself here.

"marx advocated against religion, he was pro abolishment of religion, and by that you can only go so far, and thats destroying religious gatherings, establishments, and practices that leave the home, religion should be kept to yourself, if you keep it to yourself you have nothing to fear, but religious zealots are all fucking exibitionists, so please if you go to church, and think your priest or reverind or sheikh or rabi deserves his pay kuz he works hard for his pay check then dont dare call yourself a communist, being payed to read to people does nothing better for this world."

So your issue with religion is that priests are paid?? Hardly very good justification for taking away human rights is it?? Are you gonna stop everything that involves money then?? Man, your arguments don't go anywhere...

"please dont give me your pacifist shit, its getting old."

And Communism isn't?? A system widely discredited by states such as the USSR, China, Cambodia and to a lesser extent Cuba?? A system based on a book written 150 years ago, that doesn't take into account any of the social and class changes that have happened since then?? Well, well, my friend...


(Edited by guerrillaradio at 7:46 pm on Aug. 31, 2002)

[Moskitto]

Religious Socialists

James Connolly
John Ball
Daniel Ortega
Raul Castro
Thomas More
...

And why the fuck does everyone seem think that all communists are working class and all the working class are communists?