John Bolton

[chitown_brotha]

i was reading this article about john bolton's nomination delay to serve his presidents Embassador to un incouse off serious aligations that bolton did alloth of shit during the state department,,,,seriouslly this foo is beying acused on alloth shit he has bin doing trough his carreer,,,i don't know if eny of you know or care about this another leech in the bush administration butt i just wanted to c what what are your thoughts on this issue and what you think about this Bolton careckter........eny thoughts are welcome,,,,,

[NovelGentry]

It's just minor ruling class squabbles trying to make themselves look like they're not all in it for the same thing: money. The accusations against Bolton are primarily focused on whether he would be responsible in the position he's to be put in given his previous criticism and attacks on what the UN stood for and it's whole purpose.

The fact is, he'd prefer if the UN swung more to the right -- then he would determine that it is "useful" etc. For example, if the UN fully supported the invasion of Iraq rather than all this coalition nonsense. So in the end he's really just looking to solidify the UN as the bourgeois tool it already is, his criticism is not really that the UN doesn't do anything, but more that it doesn't do exactly what he and the US interests see fit.

This isn't to say it's free of our influence... it's obviously not. From our perspective, I'm not sure it really changes a thing. The UN still protects the individual state interests of the ruling class. And in general, will still focus as it does now.

[LSD]

I don't see why anyone is surprised that a defiant, abusive, arrogant government with no respect for the UN would appoint a defiant, abusive, arrogant ambassador with no respect for the UN.

In a way, it actually makes sense, given the fact that no matter who the US appoints, the the US isn't going to actually listen to the oppinons of the rest of the world anyways. No American administration has considered the UN anything but a hindrance and a nuissance for the last thirty years. Once it stopped being a sounding board for US policy, it stopped being useful to them.

But really, all of this is to be expected. Despite the cries of the objectivists and the neo-liberals, capitalism does not ensure peace, and it certainly does not ensure harmony. The world is still running power politics and this nomination mess is just another move on the chessboard...but a small one.... a very small one.

[bolshevik butcher]

This man makes a mockery of the UN.

[OleMarxco]

Which is well-deserved.

[bolshevik butcher]

no it's not, the UN needs to become less of a mcokery, it is not helped by people like him.

[LSD]

no it's not, the UN needs to become less of a mcokery

...and become what?

A place for "genuine discussion" so that the rulling classes of the United States and Iran can "get along"?

Sorry, but the UN is as much of a bouregois institution as the governments that created it... and it must be overthrown just the same!

[Wiesty]

well first off bush wants him in there, so that cant be good and the thing that struck me the most, is he called vietname (or korea or w/e one of the two) A living hell.

[viva le revolution]

The hillbilly's and corrupt oligarchy of America has made the supreme mistake of electing the Christian-Fascist regime for a second term.Slowly but surely they are spreading like a cancer throughout the world's governing bodies, bringing their rhetoric and religious frenzy along with them. First Condoleeza Rice as secretary of state, then Paul Wolfowitz as chairman of the IMF or World bank(can't remember which, both the same manipulative bourgeois institutions anyway), and now John Bolton.
Neo-Cons are taking over the world.

[LSD]

[The] corrupt oligarchy of America has made the supreme mistake of electing the Christian-Fascist regime for a second term.

It isn't a supreme mistake for them!

This "Christian-Fascist regime" serves the interests of the rulling class perfectly. Don't think for a second that they didn't know exactly what they were voting for. As far as the rulling class is concerned, the present American administration is a godsend.


Neo-Cons are taking over the world.

Sorry, but they already control the world, they hardly need to "take it over".

[bolshevik butcher]

The UN has passed several resolutions that condem israel if they were actually able to inforce there resolutions the un might actually be quite good.

[Intifada]

The UN is ruled by five imperialist power-abusing countries who couldn't give a shit about the issues that matter.

[viva le revolution]

Originally posted by Lysergic Acid [email protected] 28 2005, 05:29 PM

[The] corrupt oligarchy of America has made the supreme mistake of electing the Christian-Fascist regime for a second term.

It isn't a supreme mistake for them!

This "Christian-Fascist regime" serves the interests of the rulling class perfectly. Don't think for a second that they didn't know exactly what they were voting for. As far as the rulling class is concerned, the present American administration is a godsend.


Neo-Cons are taking over the world.

Sorry, but they already control the world, they hardly need to "take it over".
Sorry, typing error!

[LSD]

The UN is ruled by five imperialist power-abusing countries who couldn't give a shit about the issues that matter.

Amen.

[Shevek]

Even though I am an anarchist, not everybody is, I think the world shall always have and always need SOME nations, because some people love order more than they love freedom, or just love order enough to surrender a few of thier freedoms to it. And accepting that fact of human nature, I must say that the theory of the UN is a good idea. Nations should have an arbiter in their squabbles.

What the UN needs to do is have enough power to kick nations in the ass when they start doing nasty things like genocide. Then it would be alright.

Bolton is only going to further alienate the few remaining allies of the United States. That's one advantage that conservatives have over neoconservatives. Isolationist conservatives say "screw the rest of the world" the imperialist neocons actually do so.

[bolshevik butcher]

The screw the rest of the world thing is quiteironic when they're rooting for a global market.

[LSD]

And accepting that fact of human nature, I must say that the theory of the UN is a good idea.

Why are you "accepting" a bullshit capitalist invention like "human nature"?

Unless you've just made a major sociopsychological discovery and haven't told anyone, there ain't no such thing.


Even though I am an anarchist, not everybody is, I think the world shall always have and always need SOME nations, because some people love order more than they love freedom, or just love order enough to surrender a few of thier freedoms to it.

People aren't born "loving order", they are socialized to do so. Much as how in centuries past they were socialized to "love" their king.

This socialization can and will be reversed! There is no need to buy into it and "accept" it as some sort of metaphysical fact. By accepting the capitalist lie that there is some intrinsic permanence to the current order, all you're doing is perpetuating the status quo.

Hardly what I'd call "Anarchist"!

[viva le revolution]

The UN is an archaic institution that has far outlived it's purpose. This is proven by the structure of the security council. The permanent veto-holding members are basically the victorious allies of world war 2. It's been fifty years on and the structure has remained basically the same. The very idea of the veto is in conflict with the very notion of the U.N. It basically guarantees that a few nations will pull the strings and the democratic idea of majority rules is thrown out the window. The U.S has virtually turned the U.N into a puppet and at the same time demeans it's authority over it but expects the others to follow it's rules. The rejection of the international court of justice is a telling indicator. This is furthur proven by the U.S appointing John Bolton who is openly hostile to the multinational body, as it's representative.
What it boils down to is that nobody respects the UN anymore.Therefore it should be abolished.

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 09:14 PM
well first off bush wants him in there, so that cant be good and the thing that struck me the most, is he called vietname (or korea or w/e one of the two) A living hell.
He refered to the DPRK as a "living hell" a place he's never even been to. This man is dangerous not because he makes a mockery of the UN, an already useless orginization, but because he's another neo-con who is willing to lie and exaggerate in order to push his own agenda.

He made speeches accusing Cuba of havinf biological weapons and the DPRK of having nuclear weapons, despite US intelligence that supported the contrary. When State Dept. and CIA analyst sent memos to the Whitehouse stating that Bolton was making public statements that could not be backed up by intelligence. He made a request to have the identity of the two analyst revaled to him so he could push to have them fired.

[Wiesty]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 12:26 PM
The UN is ruled by five imperialist power-abusing countries who couldn't give a shit about the issues that matter.
u have a point, but u also have to remember we havent had any word/majorlymajor wars since ww2

[LSD]

u have a point, but u also have to remember we havent had any word/majorlymajor wars since ww2

Yes, but that's probably due to the fact that all world powers today posses nuclear weapons.

I think that MAD has been much more effective than the UN, especially given that the US consistantly ignores everything it says!

And also remember, that we've still had plenty of wars involving major powers: Korea, Vietnam, Afghnistan, Iraq I, Iraq II, Yugoslavia...

What they all have in common is that one side did not have nuclear weapons. Although, despite the presence of the UN, there have even been wars between Nuclear powers, although never large scale enough to instigate their use.

But if the UN were doing its "job" none of this would have occured.

[codyvo]

Well to stay off the topic of John Bolton's appearance, (which is hard to do) he is the worst thing we could hope for. We need someone that ends the bullshit about the five nations that run the UN and give equal representation to everyone. Also the UN is corrupted but it is a good theory and the thought of having some international organization to make international law shouldn't be disregarded so quickly.