Iran

[anarhosocijalist]

What do you think about present regime in Iran?

[new democracy]

it is the most horrible regime in the world!!!! well, maybe after bush...........

(Edited by new democracy at 2:24 pm on Aug. 28, 2002)

[anarhosocijalist]

Why do you think so? I think it is expresion by the people of Iran against foregin influence, and cultural imperialism of the west. Many leftwingers oppose it without good reason. Have you seen pictures of milions of people on the street of Teheran in 1979, they show the will of the people to take matters into their own hands.
Castro said some time ago that Cuba and Iran together can bring down American domination in the world...

[new democracy]

and did you see pictures of iran-iraq war? the iranian used children as warriors!!!!!

[new democracy]

and did you see pictures of iran-iraq war? the iranian used children as warriors!!!!! and you saw pictures of iranian womens? they have to cover their face because of the horrible regime!!!!

[Rob]

I think that the Islamic extremist part of it was mighty fucked up. However, I do think it was good because they expelled the foreign oppressors.

[anarhosocijalist]

That about using children as wariors is obviusly lie by an wide rang propaganda war that was waged against Iran. 1980 Iraq invaded Iran and used chemical weapons. Iraq got large military aid from the west and SU.
At pictures you probably saw 18 or 19 years old members of The Revolutionary guard, that bravely fought the invaders.
Covering womens faces is traditional in most of the muslim countryes, we as westeners have nothing to do with that. It would we stupid and culturocentric to demand from women to uncover their faces. Many of women say that they dont fell good when being wached by men without any cover on the face.

[deimos]

Have you ever been to iran?Almost NOBODY likes the present regime.Although its not so bad anymore.Its getting more liberal each year.If a mullah wants to take a taxi in teheran,the driver usually shouts:"go away criminal,take your mercedes"!(the mullahs are often rich)Sorry,only becasue they're anti-american doesn't mean they're good.
They didn't use children as soldiers,but they used them to remove mines.(they children ran over a minefield till a mine detonated)

[hawarameen]

Deimos- Are you kurdish? if so where do you live?

I have lived in Iran for a whilw and things have changed since i was there. when i was there kumaynee (fuck knows how to spell it) was in power and with regards the women thing it was really strict. i think now women can walk around without veils but many still choose to do so.

One think that i will never forget about that country is the way they "celebrate" religious cerimonies. one particular thing involved people walking down the roads (Thousands) hitting their backs with chains or hitting themselves in the face or chest with full force while chanting.

[new democracy]

i have nothing against veils as long as the women WANT TO PUT IT. and womens in iran dont like it and they forced to put veil.

[anarhosocijalist]

Deiomos I dont know how a rational person could take that kind of obvius lie as a truth. Iranians are not monsters who would sacrefay their children. They love them like all other peoples in the world..
I dont like Iran regime only because they are anti-american... It is a true peoples regime

[hawarameen]

Quote: from new democracy on 10:54 am on Aug. 29, 2002
i have nothing against veils as long as the women WANT TO PUT IT. and womens in iran dont like it and they forced to put veil.


Have you been to Iran recently?

In the past they wew forced to wear veils yes but in modernday iran women are given the choice, it is not compulsory.

As for Iranians being anti-american this is also changing. many iranians lit candles etc. in rememberence after sep 11

[new democracy]

realy? i am not from amerca so i dont know english very well. veil is covering all your body or just the face? about the children fighters, well iranians are no monsters, but that komainy is!!!!

[Pinko]

Ayatollah Khomeini was a nasty piece of work. Iran however has been comming on nicely over the last few years, as has Libya.
People attack the veil wearing thing, but it was only a few hundred years ago that women in many European nations had to cover their hair in public.
Islam is a young religion, but it is improving in leaps and bounds in the face of religious dogma. It took the Christian nations much longer to liberalise.

[Mazdak]

Well. Look at my view of religion. Then you get my idea of Iran. However, i am more sympathetic to the iranians then the americans

[pce]

it is absolutely, positively FALSE that iranian women are not forced to wear veils. where did you get that from hawarameen? WOMEN ARE FORCED TO WEAR VEILS IN IRAN. and men are not allowed to wear shorts. there is nothing, NOTHING good about the government of iran. absolutely nothing. the people were fooled into thinking the revolution was about taking iran back from foreign influences and putting it in the hands of the people, and about creating a democracy and ousting the corrupt shah out of power, but there was so much, SO MUCH more to what the islamic government ment to do (and subsequently did).

(get this, before the revolution, when the khoumeineh was trying to gain support to overthrow the shah, he promised that scarfs would not become mandatory. when he was called on this claim, after the revolution, he said it was a necessary lie - for the good of the people)

the largest part of iranian people absolutely HATE the government, and the few that don't are fundamentalists themselves. the people are more and more embracing of american and western culture, but they don't support most of what the government of the u.s. does (much like the rest of the world) .

i'd like to clarify again:
-women are forced to wear veils and are not allowed to wear makeup, show ankles, etc. (yeah, i admit it's getting more lax, but only if the armed guards are in a good mood)
-the people do NOT support the government
-once again: WOMEN ARE FORCED TO WEAR VEILS (by veils i mean the ones that cover the hair, not the face thing. basically, the standard clothing is an overcoat with a scarf like thing covering the hair)

[hawarameen]

i have seen pictures from iran and have spoken to people who have been there and from i have seen and been told there are many young women that walk around freely showing their hair.

lett me inform you that the wearing of veils in islam is optional and those governments who force women to wear it are extremists.

not that i am religious in any way, i think its all poo

[deimos]

@hawarameen:iam half kurdish,and i live in austria.my father is from northern iraq.

i have been to iran 3 times.(only transit.we were travelling to southern kurdistan)I've never seen a woman in public without a towel(iam not sure what a "veil" is exactly,becasue there are diferrent types of towels).
THe regime isn't a "true peoples regime" at all.Nobody likes it, especcially in the cities.
I didn't say that iranians are monsters.I said that they used children to remove mines.The people who did that are monsters, not the iranians.

[pce]

i am from iran, and i've been back numerous times. the only time you see women without their veils is if they're just getting the mail or walking around in residential areas and even that's often in fear. i am perfectly aware that islam itself doesn't force the wearing of veils, but the government of iran does.

and it's not just that. if a young man is seen walking with a young woman, they are often picked up and questioned. if there are a group of young people in a car, they are often stopped and questioned and sometimes taken in. it's ridiculous. obviously when faced with such hardships, the people find ways to work around the system, but the fact remains that the govt of iran takes away many many of the rights of the iranian people (especially the young)

[hawarameen]

Deimos - i am also kurdish, from sulaimani originaly but living in uk

[Iyana]

Hello ladies and gents. I myself is fully Iranian aka persian. First of all people a veil is called a roosary in farsi. The Islamic regime is not successful at all. Economy went down. For Gods sake Iran was and still is one of the most modernized countries in the Middle East, She is still a strong country even though she has gone through so much history, our history is so deep. I ask u this what is the difference between afghanistan and iran ? I mean we are neighbors, we have both gone through invasions and curruptions... Iran is still standing tall. So before i start to my critique, I'll like to mention the good qualities of Iran. Well to make a long story short, civilization on planet earth began in the middle east. Iran created the 1st postal services, first change (coins), first army, The UN still uses Irans human rights declaration from the Persian Empire... teh same human rights we gave the Syrians, we encouraged them to keep their own culture !
However when the arabs invaded Iran and polluted us with islam, nobody encouraged us to keep our own culture at a matter of fact once again history proves religions have always been forced upon people... from columbus to Iran. by the way Iyana means protector of creation and is pure persian. it can be found in the holy book of the first monotheist religion ever found which is zoroastrianism (originated from iran).

As for politics, using a religion as a government is totally uncivilized. legalizing prostitution and now marriages from age 9 and up.
Iran was the first country to be an Islamic Republic, and they have showed the world; religions especially islam WILL never succeed as a government. My ideology is were all looking for that one perfect system. And thats when marxism comes in, a marxist would know and always remind him-/herself that in order for us to get to marxism we have to go through capitalism. What Iran did was so stupid, instead of moving ahead they choice the most ignorant system (well for our time), a system that was found 1400 years ago. every year we have tazaarat (protest/student uprisings) on july 9th. And it has been growing, however a revolution (enghelab-farsi) has a 50% chance it'll turn out good or 50% it'll turn out the way it did in 79.

anarhosocijalist... this is what u said: I think it is expresion by the people of Iran against foregin influence, and cultural imperialism of the west. Many leftwingers oppose it without good reason. Have you seen pictures of milions of people on the street of Teheran in 1979, they show the will of the people to take matters into their own hands.

this is what I say... the people of Iran HATE the regime ! And those pictures from the revolution were taken before the regime came. If u do not know, the people that started the revolution were communist parties we have toodee-i which was the 1st communist party created and honestly bunch of idiots ! however The fadaians used their brains more successfully. Bijan Jazani was the leader. May he Rest in Peace ! Toodee-i would advertise the islamic regime, while the fadaians were underground. So the Iranians were fooled !

Alright I have said enough, please correct me if any of my info(history facts) is wrong. However if u think my ideology is wrong, then u need to get your mind right because we all have different ideologies and we need to accept that.

[Iyana]

oh I forgot... Hawarameen, were do u get your facts from. When u said modern days do u mean now ?

Oh my God people people people go read some more books, and dont let it be fiction. cause Man oh man, I know I shouldnt take this personally, but when we chose to speak make sure YOU know what u are talking about.

[deimos]

@iyana:i agree with you
@hawarameen: Rosh bash!I've been 4 times to sulaymania,my father works there in the government!Which party do you support there?

[Kez]

im back, good to see people on here are still thick as fuck.
i myself have been to iran 5 times, and its a fuckin shithole, and if any wanker thinks that its good coz its anti-us is a fuckin naive child, like u are anarchosocialist dick.

furthermore, the reason y the left hate the regime is coz it killed thousands of communists and socialists.

fuckin wish i never browsed this site for old times sake, so many fuckin IDIOTS

ciao4now

[deimos]

and if any wanker thinks that its good coz its anti-us is a fuckin naive childi agree 10000000%

[KickMcCann]

I'm with TavareeshKamo on that. the revolution of '79 against the US puppet Shah was a good thing. But the Ayatollahs corrupted the revolution. Today things are getting better the people elected President Khatami, though he is a good person and reformer, his progressiveness and the will of the people are beind restricted by a few elite religous rulers, and even some lower religous leaders want democratic change. If the religous despots continue the suppression of democracy, their will be another revolution, or possibly a civil war. Hopefully they will surrender their power back to the people without there having to being a war.
I would recommend the site www.iran-daneshjoo.org to anyone interested in Iranian Democracy.

[hawarameen]

Quote: from deimos on 11:09 pm on Aug. 30, 2002
@iyana:i agree with you
@hawarameen: Rosh bash!I've been 4 times to sulaymania,my father works there in the government!Which party do you support there?


Rosh Bash deimos,

I have no party affiliation in Kurdistan as such but the socialists are closest to me, i think the political parties in kurdistan need to get their priorities in order.

Yes when i say modern day i mean now (hence the term modern!!), and i think it is widely accepted that the current regime is reformist to some degree and less authodox than the khumaini regime

[Iyana]

Hawarameen, I honestly can not agree. But I do accept your perspective. As an Iranian, I dont think it has changed much. Over-all Iran is not doing good at all. Khatami, is obviously way better than Khoumeini. As you know they have changed alot since Khatami came on board, yet only more strict. Cause they know Khatami is all for reform, but cant do anything due to the hard-liners. As for now, they have trhee women on the death row waiting to get stoned to death, because they cheated on their husbands. What happened to the men they cheated with ? Not a damn thing ! how uncivilized is that ? Anyhow, I dont wish for the shah to come back nor the islamic regime to stay. democracy then work ourselves up to socialism. We need to develop and get stronger in technology and economy. I mean dont get me wrong then villages of Iran have computer cafe's as well, including an instructor. as for now ciao !

[deimos]

As for now, they have trhee women on the death row waiting to get stoned to death, because they cheated on their husbands.did this happen in teheran or in the countryside?

[Iyana]

does it matter where it happened ? point is its WRONG.

[queen of diamonds]

Having personally never been to Iran, I'm probably completely unqualified to speak about this, but if the people of Iran support their government, it's no business of anybody elses' trying to get rid of it. If they don't, then it's their job to ask for, or organise help or to overthrow it themselves, not anyone elses' to try and guess their thinking.

[perception]

I'm working on a thesis about the rising progressive/people's movement in Iran.

The government in fucked up, but by regional standards it isn't that bad - they have a parliament and president and adhere to rule of law, but a bunch of clerics are the ones with the real power. However, Iranians are discontent with the current situation, and I predict they will rise up and snatch power again in the next 10 years or so, provided the U.S. Government doesn't do something stupid.

[deimos]

its easy to overthrow iran.The persians are the ruling class but they aren't the majority!They can only rule becasue the second important minority,the azeris, support them.If the kurds,which make up more than 8%,the azeris(20%)and the arabs(3%) rose up,the persinas wouldn't have a chance.

[Iyana]

deimos what ? here's an article u all http://abcnews.go.com/sections/primetime/D...ran_020912.html (http://abcnews.go.com/sections/primetime/DailyNews/pt_iran_020912.html)

[Pinko]

Here are some interseting statistics I ran across today whilst trying to find out the Muslim population of Germany (don't ask).

Educational Progress in Iran
Comparing 1979 to 2001 (bear in mind that Iran's population has doubled since 1979).

No of School Students
8 million (1979)
18.7 million (2001)

No. of Teachers
54,000 (1979)
11,0000 (2001)

Percentage of female students
28% (1979)
48% (2001)

Pass percentage in school exams
79% (1979)
89% (2001)

Above 6-year illiterates
52.5% (1979)
20% (2001)

Graduates in Ministry of Education
35000 (1979)
226000 (2001)

Percentage of female employees In Ministry of Education
0 (1979)
47 (2001)

(Iran’s population stand at 60 million as per the new Census)

There is hope.

[Iyana]

deimos I understand youre a kurd... however its not a battle between the majorities and minorities in Iran, its the battle between the regime and the PEOPLE of Iran. I sense some racism in here hahaha and I thought we were all socialist. Then again Iran or just Persians over-all have always been hated on by Arabs, Turks, Indians, Kurds and etc. mainly because of history.

Pinko... taking a man's freedom is worse than killing him. And those women are suppressed. I mean statistics are alwaysw good. But what about the prostitutes, or the 9 year old girls getting married to some old disgusting village mullahs ? The Q'uran (koran) legalizes some sort of prostitution. Supposely youre allowed to be temporarily married for I think max 6 months or something like that. So basically by law u can buy a wife for a couple of months, fuck around then leave. How pure is that ? So instead of reading statistics, try talking to students in Iran. yes there is hope, cause nothing will last forever. However as we speak, the government is still not weak enough for a revolution. Besides a revolution wont do no good, but kill innocent civil lives. The reform isnt working to good neither.

(Edited by Iyana at 5:31 pm on Sep. 13, 2002)

[Pinko]

Where did I say things were good for everyone in Iraq. I posted some statistics that would tend to show that things are improving. Nowhere did I comment that they had improved to a level that is acceptable to the average liberal in the werstern world. I said they were interesting, not that they are conclusive proof that eberyone is leading happy and fulfilled lives. Don't get all Bush on my ass because I point out that things don't seem as bad as they were twelve years ago.
Change is slow and these stats seem to show that change is happening.

[Iyana]

IRAQ ?!? I'm not saying youre wrong... nor did I get bush on your ass whatever the fuck that means. I was just saying statistics only gives numbers nothing more nothing less. Was that so hard to understand ?

(Edited by Iyana at 8:46 pm on Sep. 13, 2002)

[deimos]

i didn't say that i want a battle between the minorities or whatever!I only said its easy to make a revolution becasue the isn't stable becasue one minority has the power.

[Guardia Bolivariano]

I think Jatami is doing a graet job his people voted for him and he promised change in the country.Iran is better of now that before the revolution

[deimos]

i don't know y people cam think this!Only becasue they are against the usa doesnt mean that tehy are good!

[Pinko]

Iyana, I appologise for snapping, I was tired and irritable when I posted that last post. To my sleep deprived mind I read your post in a very different light, in the cold light of full lucidity, I realise the meaning of your post. Anyway, enough excuses, I am sorry.

I typed Iraq, I meant Iran. I guess my fingers are learning the pattern reflex of typing "Iraq" of late.

[Iyana]

Guardia Bolivia are you only saying this because Iran is against the US ?

its a suppressed country.

No Problem Pinko

[Iyana]

this is a bit late... I also like to add that IRAN was forced to be an islamic country 1400 years ago, when the arabs invaded and polluted Iran with a few words in our language, and a religion called Islam. When this happened Iran decided to adapt to Islam since it was forced upon them, however they around and came up with their own beliefs and called it shia muslim, their rituals are hardcore, BUT not nearly as extreme as the sunni's, wahabi's, or the taliban aka students of God.
I personally think they all came out of the same asshole and will go through the same toilet.

ANyhow so 14oo years ago this happened, and in 1979 it happened once again. to rad about Iran's REAL religion also known as the first monotheist religion is called zoroastrianism. thanks fellas

[deimos]

is it this reliogion founded by zarathustra?

[Iyana]

Zarathustra is the greek way of saying it Zarthost is the persian way of saying it Zoroaster is just in plain and ugly english. by the way I believe its ONE of the 1st monotheist religions, might not be the 1st though.

[Moskitto]

Hinduism the oldest major religion, and despite common belief it is a monotheistic religion. Ghenesh, Shiva, Vishnu etc are all parts of the one god, Bhrama.