Cuba's envoy meets with Nepal's royal dictatorship

[1949]

UPDATED: 11:25, March 02, 2005

Cuba backs Nepal's peace efforts

A visiting Cuban official has said the recent political development in Nepal was its internal affairs, and Cuba would extend support to Nepal's efforts to establish peace in the kingdom.

"The Nepalese people and the present government led by King Gyanendra are capable of addressing their internal problems by themselves," Deputy Minister for Foreign Affairs of Cuba Abelardo Morento told reporters here Wednesday.

He has brought with him the good wishes of the Cuban President to all the Nepalese people, said Morento, who arrived here Monday on an unofficial visit.

Cuba and Nepal have cordial relationship for many years, for both countries are the members of the non-aligned movement, he said.

During his visit, Morento met with Nepalese Foreign Minister Ramesh Nath Pandey and handed over a letter to Pandey from Cuban Foreign Minister Felipe Perez Roque.

Source: Xinhua

link (http://english.people.com.cn/200503/02/eng20050302_175259.html)

[Severian]

I disagree, the Nepalese Maoists are a Khmer Rouge or Shining Path type of group, which is carrying out a campaign of terror, not only against the government, but against the workers and peasants. They can only set back the struggles of working people, in Nepal and worldwide. As the Khmer Rouge and Shining Path have.

Of course that doesn't answer what attitude the Cuban government should take towards the Nepalese government and the recent coup in which the king took absolute power, dissolving the parliament.

"A visiting Cuban official has said the recent political development in Nepal was its internal affairs"

Which is absolutely true as far as it goes. No other government can tell Nepal what kind of government to have. Communists oppose that kind of intervention in the name of "democracy."

What's more, it's correct and reasonable for Cuba to have normal diplomatic relations with all kinds of capitalist regimes, with a few exceptions for the most heinous whcih can be successfully diplomatically isolated, like apartheid South Africa and Pinochet's Chile were. As ong as the capitalists hold power in most of the world, any revolutionary government will have little other choice.

Of course, communists should oppose this kind of military coup, and solidarize with the organized workers and peasants of Nepal who have opposed it. This is an area where it would be helpful if there was more separation between the Cuban government and Communist Party, so while the Cuban government maintains normal diplomatic relations, the Communist Party could declare what it thinks.

In Lenin's time, the distinction between the Soviet government and Comintern served this function well...the USSR would sign a treaty with Britain, promising not to stir up rebellion in British colonial territories...but that wouldn't stop the Comintern.

[seraphim]

Nepal is corrupt in every way from the top downwards the only way that country is ever gonna get sorted out is for a Che like figure to lead a revolution of the people.

[Colombia]

You have to all realize that with the rise capitalism and the defeat of the USSR, Cuba needs all it's allies it can get to survive against the industrialized nations.

[bolshevik butcher]

That's fucking ridiculous. Cuban socialism is just a joke.

[RedAnarchist]

If Che and all his comrades were still alive today, they would be so bitterly disappointed. Socilalism in Cuba never had a chance - Castro suffocated it.

[bolshevik butcher]

yeh you can't ehlp but feel that lots of people lost there lives for nothing.

[bolshevik butcher]

yeh, well then why ally with a dictatorship that's on the verge of collapse? And cuba won't survive ifit alllies with these people because it will already be dead.

[Hiero]

Cuba's foreign relations relations does not reflect its domestic politics. Also foreign policy is not a permanent thing and does not mean as much as it would seem. When the Maoist take power Cuba will send an envoy to meet with the new government.

No doubt Che would of criticised the Nepal government, but his positions when he was apart of the Cuban government didn't have enough power to do anything. Like with the Soviet Union.

[Hiero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 08:17 PM
the only way that country is ever gonna get sorted out is for a Che like figure to lead a revolution of the people.
Why is that, you believe in the dictatorship of one man?

[Colombia]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 19 2005, 12:43 PM
yeh, well then why ally with a dictatorship that's on the verge of collapse? And cuba won't survive ifit alllies with these people because it will already be dead.
Because like I said before in this world of capitalism you need all the allies you can get!

[Phalanx]

How fast can one man lose his dignity? Castro seems to be yet another asshole world leader.

[Redmau5]

Che will be spinning in his grave anyway. If only he had become leader you have to wonder what would have happened.

[RedAnarchist]

Che wouldnt have wanted to be leader. Alls he ever wanted to do is help liberate people. He would never have entertained any thought of becoming President of Cuba. Its a shame, but its good that he didnt just stay in Cuba and become all privileged, instead leaving in order to create more revolutions.

[More Fire for the People]

If Cuba really was socialist they would have met them - with guns.

[bolshevik butcher]

that's right, they should be backing the maoists, with words at least.

[seraphim]

Originally posted by Hiero+Apr 18 2005, 01:15 PM--> (Hiero @ Apr 18 2005, 01:15 PM)
[email protected] 19 2005, 08:17 PM
the only way that country is ever gonna get sorted out is for a Che like figure to lead a revolution of the people.
Why is that, you believe in the dictatorship of one man? [/b]
No but the situation in Nepal is such that it needs a man like Che to unite the people to a common goal.

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by Colombia+Apr 18 2005, 02:26 PM--> (Colombia @ Apr 18 2005, 02:26 PM)
Clenched [email protected] 19 2005, 12:43 PM
yeh, well then why ally with a dictatorship that's on the verge of collapse? And cuba won't survive ifit alllies with these people because it will already be dead.
Because like I said before in this world of capitalism you need all the allies you can get! [/b]
yeh, so are you adovcating that if say nazi germany was on the rise cuba should sign up with them? Considering half of south america is apparently going socialist this is a very poor choice. And considering you probably criticise the U$ for backing pinoche and saddam isn't this hypocracy?

[Severian]

"And considering you probably criticise the U$ for backing pinoche and saddam isn't this hypocracy?"

Write when Cuba sends weapons to the Nepali army - which I seriously doubt they ever will. They're just maintaining normal diplomatic relations. Maybe some trade relations, I dunno.

Since you mention Nazi Germany, in fact everybody, and I mean everybody, did maintain normal relations with them right up to the beginning of WWII (and in many cases after.)

[Edelweiss]

Public statements by diplomats mean shit. It's just the usual diplomatic bla bla which means nothing. True diplomacy is being made behind closed doors. You can't accuse Cuba to have diplomatic relationships with Nepal, because that's all which it's comes down to in the end. I can't see any problem with the the statement "The Nepalese people and the present government led by King Gyanendra are capable of addressing their internal problems by themselves" either, what is so evil about it, that you are all going such crazy here, and accuse Fidel to betray the ideals of the Cuban revolution?

[socialistfuture]

if che was about he would be taking up arms in sumwhere like nepal - old castro has to do this little thing called politics - which usually ends up being the politics of compromise.

[Hiero]

Originally posted by seraphim+Apr 20 2005, 10:55 PM--> (seraphim @ Apr 20 2005, 10:55 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 01:15 PM

[email protected] 19 2005, 08:17 PM
the only way that country is ever gonna get sorted out is for a Che like figure to lead a revolution of the people.
Why is that, you believe in the dictatorship of one man?
No but the situation in Nepal is such that it needs a man like Che to unite the people to a common goal. [/b]
The Maoist seem to be doing a good job. Its rather chauvinistic to think that the Nepalese are not capable of a succesful revolution without the help of a past revolution. There is not evidence to suggest Che help anyway.

[seraphim]

Originally posted by Hiero+Apr 22 2005, 09:31 AM--> (Hiero @ Apr 22 2005, 09:31 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 01:15 PM

[email protected] 19 2005, 08:17 PM
the only way that country is ever gonna get sorted out is for a Che like figure to lead a revolution of the people.
Why is that, you believe in the dictatorship of one man?
No but the situation in Nepal is such that it needs a man like Che to unite the people to a common goal.
The Maoist seem to be doing a good job. Its rather chauvinistic to think that the Nepalese are not capable of a succesful revolution without the help of a past revolution. There is not evidence to suggest Che help anyway. [/b]
No they're not they don't have the support of the popualce the single biggest factor in any revolutionary struggle.

[Severian]

Maoists and monarchy brutalize and silence civilians (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/04/10/INGQEBP75824.DTL)

Maoists execute 10 villagers, burn houses (http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1462004,00.html?gusrc=rss)

Maoists brutalize members of workers' parties in Nepal (http://www.kurakani.tk/Article479.phtml)

Village vigilantes hunt alleged Maoists with axes (http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/04/11/news/nepal.html)

There's some reason to believe that the Maoists are wearing out their welcome. The vigilante stuff seems led by some of the wealthier elements of the village, with tacit government support...but the fact they can draw others behind 'em indicates growing hostility to the Maoists.

This is what happened to the Shining Path after a time as well: many of the peasants they ruled by terror came to hate 'em, including in their base areas.

[Gianandrea]

Please before all of you accuse Castro of not being a socialist leader, or a "asshole leader" realise his position is much different to yours. You may all be idealists, but he must be a realist at the same time as he leads is country, and feeds his people and houses them. Economies and so forth are fragile things, and sometimes ideals have to be sacrificed, its a sad fact, but true. If you all are ever involved in a revolution you will realise. For all those who respect Lenin, please realise he was a pragmatist, but still a great man, and if followed correctly (through his writings) communism is a great possibility.. but not a utopia