British Monarchy a good thing

[Gostie]

Hi, this is my first topic.

I have seen in several places people who, understandably, dislike the the British royalty and everything associated with them. To a certain extent I agree with them insofar as the power, wealth and decadence are concerned. However, I realise now that, under the current circumstances in Britain, they actually act as a buffer against any emerging dictatorship. The Queen herself has absolute power, but for one time only. She can be kicked out of parliament if the government disagree with her but for that one time she must be obeyed.

Of course, when the revolution comes, there will be no need for her or any of the rest of them, but for now she is a safeguard.

Thoughts? Disagreement?

[Connolly]

. However, I realise now that, under the current circumstances in Britain, they actually act as a buffer against any emerging dictatorship.

Im not sure what you mean. Is it really likly that a dictatorship would emerge if there was no monarchy?? keeping in mind many western style democratic countries have no royal families to act as a 'buffer' and yet do not become dictatorships.


The Queen herself has absolute power

It would depend on the situation. If some leader gained the support of the military (military dictatorship), then what power would the monarchy have?

As far as i can see, the royal family serve the purpose of entertaining the people with their disfunctional family every so often, along with the occasional presidential duties of visiting other royal families, no other. Although i could be overlooking something.

[seraphim]

Look ultimately if it wasn't for the royal family and our history we would have no tourist industry, none. As much as we may dislike the royal family we have to acknoledge that they bring alot of money into this country.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Fuck royalty and hereditary patronage. I have always been a republican.

[FriedFrog]

Bollocks. The 'Royal' Family is everything that is wrong with the world. Why the hell should they get better standards of living than the rest of the people, just because of their 'blood lines'.

It's shit and you know it. They're just idiot toffs that for some unknown reason the British public is in love with. Who cares if it's 'heritage'? Its archaic nonsense at its best.

[bolshevik butcher]

The royal family are even out of datein capitalism nevermind socialism. ANd they don't stop dictators as they are just figureheads, or otherwise they themselves would be dictators.

[RedAnarchist]

The monarchy is a leftover from feudal times. Its only task nowadays seems to be filling low-brow tabloids ful of stories about some spoilt prince getting drunk or Prince Phillip opening his foolish mouth yet again. How can a modern, advanced and developed country like the United Kingdom still have this relic as its head of state? The sooner we dispose of these inbreds, the better.

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 09:04 AM
Look ultimately if it wasn't for the royal family and our history we would have no tourist industry, none. As much as we may dislike the royal family we have to acknoledge that they bring alot of money into this country.
prove it. Anyway, we would still ahve castles palaces etc if we got rid of them NOW.

[Connolly]

Look ultimately if it wasn't for the royal family and our history we would have no tourist industry, none. As much as we may dislike the royal family we have to acknoledge that they bring alot of money into this country.

Thats just an excuse created by the pro-monarchists to make the Royals relevant. The history of the country, sure brings in money. But thats no reason why the Monarchy should remain today. If anything, tourists come to see the palaces, forts, royal guard and other monarch related tourist attractions, all of which could remain as tourist attractions without a royal family inhabiting the actual structures themselves. Iv heard that argument time and time again and it just dosnt make sense. DOWN WITH THE MONARCHS :che: :hammer: :castro:

[thenonliberator]

as much as i agree they are all dick heads and a waste of decent oxygen- at this moment in time (ie with mr cock up blair here) the queen the last part of england that prevents us from ultimately being controlled by george bush, its not that im patriotic cos that sucks, its just that if dubya was controlling another country then it would be hell!

[LSD]

To those who say that a monarchy prevents the emrgence of a parliamentary dictatorship, I would point out the events in Germany on the 27th of February 1933.

Paul Von Hindenburg as President of the Weimar republic had effectively the same powers of the Biritsh Monarch, only more. He acted as the "buffer" you speak of in terms of his ability to dismiss parliament and his cermonial role in offically apointing the Chancellor (think Prime Minister).

So what happened when Hitler proposed an act granting himself total dictatorial powers? Von Hindenburg signed it.

Buffers don't work.


as much as i agree they are all dick heads and a waste of decent oxygen- at this moment in time (ie with mr cock up blair here) the queen the last part of england that prevents us from ultimately being controlled by george bush

How?

[fernando]

Originally posted by Lysergic Acid [email protected] 18 2005, 09:10 PM

as much as i agree they are all dick heads and a waste of decent oxygen- at this moment in time (ie with mr cock up blair here) the queen the last part of england that prevents us from ultimately being controlled by george bush

How?
I think because the Queen gives the English people this nationalistic feeling, for some reason, no matter how shitty the monarchy is gives the population some sort of pride for their country, football teams kind of have the same effect.

However the UK already is a satellite state of the US, which just proves that the people have nothing to say in this 'democratic and free' state

[OleMarxco]

Let's start a huge demonstration with stone-throwing, red flags with sickle, hammers and AK-47's (or atleast something that looks alike it....) and urge them to overthrow that old filthy meaningless royality drivel! That, and the stupid "house of lords" - nothing but a dead weaver-skin of ex-nobles ;)

[Roses in the Hospital]

Look ultimately if it wasn't for the royal family and our history we would have no tourist industry, none. As much as we may dislike the royal family we have to acknoledge that they bring alot of money into this country.

When was the last time someone visited the Palace of Versailles only to comment, 'Of course it's interesting but I'd have enjoyed the visit so much more if France still had a monarchy'?

[AnarchyMind]

Even if the royal family was overthrown it wouldn´t make a difference. Even if they gives the people a patriotic boost it wont do shit as long as the UK acts as the US´s Rightpawn. If things are to change one must understand that the problem is the "Bond" that the US and the UK has.

[bolshevik butcher]

The house of lords, yet another out of date feudal institution.

[RedAnarchist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 05:23 PM
Even if the royal family was overthrown it wouldn´t make a difference. Even if they gives the people a patriotic boost it wont do shit as long as the UK acts as the US´s Rightpawn. If things are to change one must understand that the problem is the "Bond" that the US and the UK has.
That is very true. The UK wont get anywhere near communism until it forces the Americans away. We allow them to boss us around, we allow them to have air bases on our small island, we allow them to destroy our language with their idiotic spellings and grammar. They are a bad influence on the UK.

[RevolverNo9]

But in reality that is so wrong.

Did the existence of a Spanish Monarchy act as a buffer against Franco?

[AnarchyMind]

If the Bond between the US and the UK is to fall it will be done if USA continues with it´s tactics to police the world. The most effective way to dispose of them is to create another Iraq or Vietnam if you will. As the popularity of the US falls countries that supported the US will be forced to withdraw as the people speaks against the actions of the US. This will finally breakdown the US´s streangth as it will lose it´s popularity with other countries that supplies the US with many nessesary commodities such as oil for an example. This will lead to the weakening of the US.

[Black Dagger]

Look ultimately if it wasn't for the royal family and our history we would have no tourist industry, none. As much as we may dislike the royal family we have to acknoledge that they bring alot of money into this country.

The point has already been made that you dont actually need a royal family to make tourist money off of 'royalty', their things and castles etc. can do that. But on your argument concerning tourist revenue, you really think the tourist dollars they bring in is more sustaining 365 days a year of a royal family, nobles, blah blah in absolute luxury? They fucking eat, sleep and breath money, for no worthwhile purpose or reason, other than the fact that they happen to BE ALIVE, wow, congra-fuckin-lations for being born into some in-bred family, please, enjoy supreme luxury.

You don't think selling off their prime real-estate, their homes, their castles, all their luxurious crap, their cars, their artworks, their clothes, their jewels etc. would not dwarf all their future tourist earnings? What is the material reason for sustaining this class hierarchy? A monarchy within a 'liberal democratic' system is farcically redundant.

[bolshevik butcher]

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN, SHE AIN'T NO HUMAN BEING :D

[Sabocat]

It'd be a lot more fun and interesting visiting the guillotine that took the royals' heads.

:lol:

[Sabocat]

Originally posted by XPhile2868+Apr 19 2005, 01:29 PM--> (XPhile2868 @ Apr 19 2005, 01:29 PM)
[email protected] 19 2005, 05:23 PM
Even if the royal family was overthrown it wouldn´t make a difference. Even if they gives the people a patriotic boost it wont do shit as long as the UK acts as the US´s Rightpawn. If things are to change one must understand that the problem is the "Bond" that the US and the UK has.
That is very true. The UK wont get anywhere near communism until it forces the Americans away. We allow them to boss us around, we allow them to have air bases on our small island, we allow them to destroy our language with their idiotic spellings and grammar. They are a bad influence on the UK. [/b]
Oddly enough, the Scots and the Irish say the same things about England.

[viva le revolution]

In my opinion the only reason the monarchy still exists it's because of nostalgia the imperialists feel for their bygone "empire". In today's world they serve no purpose other than siphoning off millions just to sit there and drink tea. They are a true symbol of imperialism and any self-respecting socialist would agree that booting them out would only make things better.

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by viva le [email protected] 25 2005, 11:09 AM
In my opinion the only reason the monarchy still exists it's because of nostalgia the imperialists feel for their bygone "empire". In today's world they serve no purpose other than siphoning off millions just to sit there and drink tea. They are a true symbol of imperialism and any self-respecting socialist would agree that booting them out would only make things better.
i have to agree, i fail to see a place for them.