U.K elections

[1936]

If your 18 and living in U.K DO NOT avoid voting....

http://www.communist-party.org.uk/

The chances of geting into power this way are so slim it may SEEM voting is useless. But its a way to tell capatilst fucks that were out there.

[Gostie]

Hmm... I always thought that the CPGB had disbanded and the British Communist Party was the way forward. Then again, I can't vote this time around so it doesn't make that much difference to me.

[Andy Bowden]

If you live in Scotland the best way to put the shits up the establishment is to vote SSP - were contesting every constituency except East Kilbride, where were suporting Rose Gentle - check out my sig for further details :D .

[synthesis]

The chances of geting into power this way are so slim it may SEEM voting is useless.

By the time your party actually has a remote chance of success in bourgeois elections, it will have compromised so many of its values in its capitulation to the capitalist system that its line will be unrecognizable and all the energy you invested in achieving a fleeting degree of power will have, in fact, been useless.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Don't vote, it's a waste of time. But instead of staying at home, go to the polling booth and spoil your paper. That's the difference between apathy and disgust at the system.

[T_SP]

Originally posted by The World's 1st [email protected] 16 2005, 08:25 PM
If your 18 and living in U.K DO NOT avoid voting....

http://www.communist-party.org.uk/

The chances of geting into power this way are so slim it may SEEM voting is useless. But its a way to tell capatilst fucks that were out there.
This is laughable! Even from you Elmo!
Wouldn't waste my vote on a washed up party with watered down politics!
If you have the vote and they're standing in your area vote for my party: The Socialist Party (http://www.socialistparty.org.uk)
We have many Councillors up and down the country (except Scotland) an Mp and Councillors in Ireland. They have a good track record

[T_SP]

Originally posted by Andy [email protected] 17 2005, 09:19 PM
If you live in Scotland the best way to put the shits up the establishment is to vote SSP - were contesting every constituency except East Kilbride, where were suporting Rose Gentle - check out my sig for further details :D .
I feel, now that Tommy's gone, that the party will slide more than it did in the past.

[Ell Carino]

If i could vote I'd vote for the Green party.

[1936]

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[cubist]

vote TORY. :lol:

i am voting labour i think, can't risk a michael howard in power GW's lap dog is bad enough

[JonP]

Voting Lib Dem, and have been ripping down conservative signs when drunk, It's great fun !

[Intifada]

Anybody who votes for "Labour" is walking over the dead bodies of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people.

[Guest1]

Well, you do have to keep in mind that Blair is not gonna last at the head, and the party itself was opposed to it.

Not that voting for them is something to be encouraged.

[October Revolution]

Voting Torrie is just idiotic and voting Lib Dem is irresponsible, it would be like having a child at the wheel of a tank. It'd also be a wasted vote because the Lib Dems won't get into number 10 for many years yet. The Labour party may have it's problems but it's the best one out of the lot. Many people may not like Blair but he'll be gone soon and Gordon Brown will make an all together more efficient prime minister.

[NykylaiHellray]

Labour HAH they have no idea who they are, there policies area mix of right wing an left wing.

A left winger, trying to immitate right wing ideals, the party itself is laughable. Gordan brown is the only good member, and he will onyl take the PM seat after the 3rd year. Better to vote from him the next election when he rules the party.

Now people are gonna bite my head off my I am voting UKIP, I would rather england support it's farners, and grow all it's own food. Start using england again, and serperate england from the EU.

They so have a better chance then some parties that is for certain :D

[Maynard]

Anybody who votes for "Labour" is walking over the dead bodies of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people
Been reading John Pilger, I see. Not to forget also, uncountable numbers in Chechnya, where the British government actively supports Russia. But by supporting, the insurgents in Iraq, as Mr Pilger does, he is also walking over the dead bodies of thousands of Iraqi people.


Gordan brown is the only good member
According to the Public Whip, Gordon Brown has not had a disagreement with Labour Party policy at all in the past 8 years http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mps.php?sort=rebellions
So, we can make out of that that he is either (a) Has got the same views of Tony Blair or (B) A coward who won't stand up for what he believes in, lest it costs him his chance at leadership. I wouldn't expect much difference between the two. Someone like Jeremy Corbyn, who has voted against the Labour majority 23.6% of times seems a bit better.


Now people are gonna bite my head off my I am voting UKIP, I would rather england support it's farners, and grow all it's own food. Start using england again, and serperate england from the EU.

I'm here to bite your head off, the UKIP are a extremely reactionary, xenophobic party, as the following articles should show:
http://www.newstatesman.com/200406140013
http://www.johannhari.com/archive/article.php?id=396
http://www.britainineurope.org.uk/.ten/art...hing-about-ukip (http://www.britainineurope.org.uk/.ten/articles/something-about-ukip)

By supporting England’s farmers, I'm guessing you mean by giving subsidies, firstly Britian already does that but, while it is good for those farmers, it comes at the expense, of many third world countries who main production sector is agriculture. Growing all its own food is highly unrealistic, where will Cocoa come from? Bananas, how will they be produced? Or Rice? While separating from the EU may be a worthwhile goal, the UKIP want it for all the wrong reasons.

[NykylaiHellray]

I see your point, but england I think needs to rebuild itself, and a strong leader should take control.

Yes of course englnd will still needs import and export, but i would like england to support our farmers more again.

[Maynard]

england I think needs to rebuild itself
Rebuild itself into what, excatly? And why is a strong leader necessary for this?


support our farmers more again.
Okay but supporting the farmers in England isn't cost free, though. The support comes at the expense at farmers in low income countries, who rely on exports to survive, for some of them, it is a matter of life and death.

[The Feral Underclass]

I think people who are on the left, radically more specifically, really need to consider what voting actually is.

Most socialist organisations, even the ones that claim to be revolutionary all support participating in bourgeois electoral politics as a "tactic."

What is voting? Where is the analysis? Why are parties such as the Socialist Party so quick to jump into these struggles for bourgeois power? Voting is a system designed by the ruling class to create a veneer of democracy, nothing more. The idea that those people the state controls have some participation in the decisions made in this country is quite frankly, absurd.

Does the Socialist Party understand this? If they do, why are they getting involved? The usual cryptic response is that it allows people to get concessions? But I don't really see what kind of a perspective that is?

The point of a revolutionary organisation is to struggle for revolution, not bring legitimacy to a system of "democracy" which is designed specifically to keep the workers out of political decisions as much as possible.

Instead of encouraging people to vote in elections, the Socialist Party, being the Marxist organisation it claims to be, should be encouraging people to take matters into their own hands in order to gain concessions. Not put their faith into people who claim to be working on their behalf.

What does the Socialist Party et al want to actually achieve? Control of a bourgeois state or liberation of the working class? If it is the latter, which I suspect it probably is you should be empowering the working class in their struggle for liberation, not getting involved in what is stopping that liberation in the first place.

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 04:29 PM
Voting Lib Dem, and have been ripping down conservative signs when drunk, It's great fun !
That's freedom of speech for ya.

Afraid people might make up their own minds?

[Intifada]

Been reading John Pilger, I see.

Yup.

Here is a link to the article for all interested in reading it:

Blair's forgotten victims (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8607.htm)


But by supporting, the insurgents in Iraq, as Mr Pilger does, he is also walking over the dead bodies of thousands of Iraqi people.


By supporting the resistance, Pilger (and myself) is supporting the right for Iraqis to control their own country and decide their own future.

By supporting the resistance, Pilger is supporting the struggle against US imperialism.

[JonP]

Originally posted by t_wolves_fan+May 3 2005, 02:58 PM--> (t_wolves_fan @ May 3 2005, 02:58 PM)
[email protected] 29 2005, 04:29 PM
Voting Lib Dem, and have been ripping down conservative signs when drunk, It's great fun !
That's freedom of speech for ya.

Afraid people might make up their own minds? [/b]
No, because no one with a mind would vote conservative, besides the only places displaying conservative signs in my area is the uber rich parts !

go figure.

[redstar2000]

The Ghost of Labour's Past. (http://www.leninology.blogspot.com/)

Scroll down the page a little for a brief and interesting history of the wretched "Labour" Party.

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/123.gif

[NykylaiHellray]

Well I am voting conservative. But I would vote ukip if they had a chance.

[Maynard]

By supporting the resistance, Pilger (and myself) is supporting the right for Iraqis to control their own country and decide their own future.

Do you think that the resistance is representative of Iraq, as a whole? While a struggle against occupation, like this one, is obviously legitimate, the resistance seems to be very reactionary in their world outlook and I think stand against the worthwhile goal of absolute self determination for Iraqi people.


By supporting the resistance, Pilger is supporting the struggle against US imperialism.
True enough but doesn't this support come at the expense of our Iraqi comrades, who are both anti occupation and anti theocracy? Who are also struggling against US occupation right now?

I think John Pilger is excellent though, especially his work on East Timor.


Well I am voting conservative. But I would vote ukip if they had a chance.
Though I disagree with your voting intentions, this statement alone shows how truly horrible the first past the post system is.

[1936]

Labour HAH they have no idea who they are, there policies area mix of right wing an left wing.

You moron, its right wing dressed up in red clothing.

I dont care if they claim to be for the working class familys, ive broke wind more socialst then labour.

[Intifada]

Do you think that the resistance is representative of Iraq, as a whole?

Yes I do.

The majority of Iraqis support the resistance and want all US/Coalition troops to leave the country. I can give you polls to support this, if you want.


While a struggle against occupation, like this one, is obviously legitimate, the resistance seems to be very reactionary in their world outlook

The large majority of the Iraqi resistance is made up of ordinary, poor Iraqis with no job, most of whom are led by Mullahs, unfortunately. They may be reactionary in some of their views, but they are struggling against an occupation that any other worker in the world would fight against, and this is why I support them.


I think stand against the worthwhile goal of absolute self determination for Iraqi people.

Why do you say this?


True enough but doesn't this support come at the expense of our Iraqi comrades

No it does not.

The American goal in Iraq is clear. It is a project that entails the creation of a puppet nation which will serve the interests of big business, not the interests of the Iraqi workers, who have been forced out of their jobs as a result of the invasion.

In fact, when Paul Bremer took charge of the US occupation of Iraq, one of the first things he did was to fire 500000 state workers, most of whom were soldiers, but also doctors, nurses and teachers.

I ask you, and other comrades, to read No War: America's Real Business in Iraq, by Naomi Klein and others if you have not done so already.


I think John Pilger is excellent though, especially his work on East Timor.


He is a brilliant journalist.

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 07:13 PM

Do you think that the resistance is representative of Iraq, as a whole?

Yes I do.

The majority of Iraqis support the resistance and want all US/Coalition troops to leave the country. I can give you polls to support this, if you want.


While a struggle against occupation, like this one, is obviously legitimate, the resistance seems to be very reactionary in their world outlook

The large majority of the Iraqi resistance is made up of ordinary, poor Iraqis with no job, most of whom are led by Mullahs, unfortunately. They may be reactionary in some of their views, but they are struggling against an occupation that any other worker in the world would fight against, and this is why I support them.


I think stand against the worthwhile goal of absolute self determination for Iraqi people.

Why do you say this?


True enough but doesn't this support come at the expense of our Iraqi comrades

No it does not.

The American goal in Iraq is clear. It is a project that entails the creation of a puppet nation which will serve the interests of big business, not the interests of the Iraqi workers, who have been forced out of their jobs as a result of the invasion.

In fact, when Paul Bremer took charge of the US occupation of Iraq, one of the first things he did was to fire 500000 state workers, most of whom were soldiers, but also doctors, nurses and teachers.

I ask you, and other comrades, to read No War: America's Real Business in Iraq, by Naomi Klein and others if you have not done so already.


I think John Pilger is excellent though, especially his work on East Timor.


He is a brilliant journalist.
Hmmm? I think your a little off mark. I am more sure Iraqi want the US to leave, but they also don't want to kill US soliders to make it happen.

There are lots of insurgets who are not Iraqi.

[Intifada]

Hmmm? I think your a little off mark. I am more sure Iraqi want the US to leave, but they also don't want to kill US soliders to make it happen.

Surveys carried out by various Western organisations show that the majority of Iraqis want Occupying Forces out of the country and have major disagreements with the US on many issues, while becoming increasingly hostile to Coalition Troops.

One study, a Gallup/CNN/US Today survey, revealed that 57% of Iraqis wanted all troops to leave Iraq, 52% believe US-UK military action in Iraq cannot be justified, 71% considered both US and allied troops to be occupiers, while a mere 19% considered them liberators. 55% percent of Shiites and 57% of Sunnis supported attacks against US forces.


There are lots of insurgets who are not Iraqi.

So?

[Invader Zim]

"Change your name to New
Forget the fucking Labour".

Fuck labour.

I nearly voted for Plaid Cymru.