Demonstration at NBC Television

[redstar2000]

Credit where credit is due Department

Some kids in the Revolutionary Communist Youth Brigade (RCP youth group) are picketing the NBC headquarters in Manhattan (every Wednesday night) against the broadcast of the television mini-series "Revelations" -- based on the best-selling Left Behind novels about Biblical "end times".

The RCYB considers this crap "Armageddon porn" by the "Christian Taliban" in this country...part of the drive to prepare us for a Christian fascist theocracy in the United States.

Whether or not there is a genuine threat of Christian fascism here is disputable. But I think it is terrific that someone is standing up to those bastards.

Read more here...

http://www.sunsara.blogspot.com/

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[Irish_Bebop]

I think its bad enough when conservatives attack TV and freedom of speech, now if the liberals and leftist start doing it too, what hope is there?
Or is it just a case of, " too bad that american minds are so malible and gulible that a TV show could really have such a dire effect"
Let them show this fictitious crap, if americans are dumb enough to turn rabid over it, then your nation is already too far gone!

[More Fire for the People]

Christ people - it's just a show.
And the dude that wrote Left Behind is a preterist - he doesn't believe what he is writing.

[redstar2000]

Perhaps you guys would like to put together a mini-series based on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion...as if it were true.

Free speech, right?

And if a few synagogues get burned...well, that just shows how "far gone" Americans really are, right?

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[Aurora(inactive)]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2005, 07:40 PM
Christ people - it's just a show.
And the dude that wrote Left Behind is a preterist - he doesn't believe what he is writing.
uh that's not true. Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins do believe what they are writing is something that will happen in the future. They just put it in a fictional way for entertainment.

And sweet merciful crap, if people didn't want to watch the show, then turn the channel! I wanted to watch it, but I was in NYC so I couldn't. grr!

[Irish_Bebop]

Perhaps you guys would like to put together a mini-series based on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion...as if it were true.

So who is 'left behind' telling people to hate? Like i said, if americans are so mind-f**ked already, then sorry 4 yoo buddy. :'(

Armagedon movie always portray their crap as being true, as being based in the real world, are people frenzying around movies like the Day After Tomorrow? Even though the events in that are far more likely than any biblical rhetoric. You really think another TV show is going to shove people over the edge, cause as i keep saying, if thats the case then TV's not the problem.

Are you also one of these people who claims that TV games teach the youth to kill cops and beat up prostitutes? Or that pornography makes kids want to reach out and rape someone?

I dont like TV shoving religious crap in my face, but i will admit, it makes exciting fiction. I would have more of a problem with programs like Touched by and Angel than some armagedon series.

Have you seen the series in question?

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by Irish_Bebop
So who is 'Left Behind' telling people to hate?

The servants of the devil, of course!

Communists, anarchists, socialists, liberals, secular humanists, atheists, agnostics, scientists, non-Christians (unless they convert), fornicators, gays, lesbians, women who have abortions and the doctors who perform them, opponents of U.S. imperialism...it's a long list.

Essentially, the Christian Taliban wishes to overturn pretty much everything that's happened since the days of Martin Luther.

They want a new Dark Age and they really hate anyone who opposes that goal.

And they want you to hate them too!


Have you seen the series in question?

No...I am fortunate in that I don't own a dummyvision set. Nor have I read the books...the reviews are more than sufficient to judge their odious character.

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[More Fire for the People]

restar2000, you forgot the Christian left.

[SonofRage]

I was offended/bothered by the fact that the "Satanist" character has an Anarchist "circle A" tatoo on his forearm. During the RNC, the "Anarchist threat" was being thrown around like the "Communist threat" was during the cold war. I can't help but wonder about the motivation there.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by Ardeo
When Communists start to restrict free speech, we get into trouble.

When capitalists stop restricting our speech, I'll consider your proposition.

How about a six-part mini-series on NBC: The Next Proletarian Revolution???

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[cormacobear]

Telivision content dedicated to christian theology has been in steady decline since televisions inception. I'd suggest if there were some dark right wing conspiracy behind this airing , that it has already succede. A number of leftist's have been lined up in opposition to religion, a battle they cannot win, placing them securely in opposition to the majority of Americans. So rather than seperating religion from politics and protesting social injustice or the networks biased news reporting they've played right into the hands of the right making themselves the undeniable enemy of the majority.

[Parkbench]

i think both sides of the issue are kind of taking extremes. the way i see it:

while ostensibly innocuous, all televeision and media invariably delivers a subconscious message, whether intentionally or unintentionally. And while this series may "just be another series about biblical events," our society and the television networks have obvious Judeo-Christian bias, and I guarantee you people would feel something 'missing' without all our wonderful cult--i mean, religious shows. They're 'supposed' to be there, and as long as they're 'supposed' to, we will be quietly indoctrinated in every way.

jesus saves! (no one)

[cormacobear]

Why do you watch? Maybe you're not the audience.

What gives you all the right to tell me what I can and can't watch.

[More Fire for the People]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 05:12 PM
How about a six-part mini-series on NBC: The Next Proletarian Revolution???
Sounds like a drop-draw-tastic smash.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by cormacobear
Television content dedicated to Christian theology has been in steady decline since television's inception.

Source?

(Hours of broadcasting; size of audience, number of Christian stations?)


I'd suggest if there were some dark right wing conspiracy behind this airing , that it has already succeeded.

No one has suggested that. The point is that NBC, using the public airwaves, has chosen to broadcast reactionary propaganda for Christian fascism.

Whether they are doing it for money or because some NBC executives actually agree with those ideas is irrelevant.


A number of leftist's have been lined up in opposition to religion, a battle they cannot win, placing them securely in opposition to the majority of Americans.

Checked your crystal ball carefully on that one? If we "can't" defeat superstition, how about a more immediately useful prediction -- will the Cubs ever make it to the World Series again? :lol:


So rather than separating religion from politics and protesting social injustice or the networks' biased news reporting, they've played right into the hands of the right, making themselves the undeniable enemy of the majority.

Well, what do you expect? Shall we avoid talking about anything that the "majority" disagrees with?

That won't leave us much to talk about, will it?
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There will also be demonstrations against "Revelations" at NBC stations in Philadelphia and Atlanta. :)

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[cormacobear]

How about pecentage of total # of hours of broadcasting dedicated to religious programming in the United states.

I'll have a look but I would imagine that more porn than religious programming is broadcast in the U.S.

Oh sorry I thought creating equality and bringing about a political system that will equatibly divide wealth, oppertunity, and labour was your goal. Not defeating superstition.

My mistake I'd beleived this site was for discussing politics not theology.

[coda]

yeah, I have to think that it's a waste of time protesting against and a bad redirection of leftist resources.

That type of program falls into the "Horror" genre category, much like "The Omen" and "The Exoricist." In both of those films "Satan" was clearly the more powerful over Christianity and the clear cut winner. Both films were able to make atleast 4 or 5 bad follow up sequals.

I actually read that the producers of this series "Revelation" had a hard time getting any station to air it. It's just not your typical prime time family fare programming that they think will increase their ratings. Not to mention that if a right wing Christian republican agenda were behind it with the hopeful intention that people would take it serious-- I think they would be able to see the disasterous outcome that would lead to--- millions of people would stop paying their bills, stop going to work, start stockpiling weapons and food and wait for the imminent "end of the world" to come. a macrocosm of Hale-Bopp, Waco and Jonestown.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by cormacobear
Oh sorry, I thought creating equality and bringing about a political system that will equitably divide wealth, opportunity, and labour was your goal. Not defeating superstition.

Do you imagine that people blinded by superstition have any possibility of liberating themselves from capitalism?

Or by patriotism, racism, sexism, etc.?

All forms of reactionary ideology hold us back! You cannot just say we'll overthrow capitalism "first" and "then" we'll deal with all this other crap.

Things don't work like that.


My mistake. I believed this site was for discussing politics, not theology.

In the U.S. at the present time, theology is political.

Some claim that as many as one in five Americans actually support Christian fascism. I don't know if things are really that bad yet...but the situation is not good.

We need to start confronting those bastards! They are just as bad as the Nazis and there are a lot more of them!

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PS: See this thread by Zingu to understand how bad things are getting here.

http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=34582

[redstar2000]

It would now appear that Revelations will be on NBC on Thursday night...so that is when there will be demonstrations at NBC in New York and Atlanta...possibly in Philadelphia as well.

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[Matthew The Great]

I will just not watch and laugh when it gets canceled.

[coda]

Maybe they should just blow off those demonstrations and haul ass to Rome and protest against Hitler's Henchman.

[red_orchestra]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 05:50 AM
I was offended/bothered by the fact that the "Satanist" character has an Anarchist "circle A" tatoo on his forearm. During the RNC, the "Anarchist threat" was being thrown around like the "Communist threat" was during the cold war. I can't help but wonder about the motivation there.

Fear attracts the fearful... I've always found the word "god fearing-men" to be a little odd! Fear breed ignorence, and ignorence breeds hate...and hate...I think you get the picture.

The Conservative Christian lives on fear.

[redstar2000]

Arguments for/against the protests against Revelations at Atlanta IndyMedia...

http://atlanta.indymedia.org/newswire/disp...37488/index.php (http://atlanta.indymedia.org/newswire/display/37488/index.php)

http://atlanta.indymedia.org/newswire/disp...37640/index.php (http://atlanta.indymedia.org/newswire/display/37640/index.php)

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[Parkbench]

Theology is a social meme--no, it is beyond that it is a social mind control. I'm not talking in a "CIA-New-World-Order-Illuminati" sense. The people who spawned it are like those who rig salt shakers and never see who opens them. It's not a conspiracy in the sense that they are watching us right now, it is that religion is inherently restrictive, it is an inherently mind-warping (whether slowly or rapidly) superstition. Turning to it can give you answers that may cause you to do things that would impede your rights and the rights of others.

There is no such thing as innocuous religion, and even when it gets down to a very mellow person who has such beliefs, it boils down to--"do you want to believe in fairies or not? You can, more power to you, but I will treat it as such, a naive superstition.""