I have a question

[El_Revolucionario]

Why don't you include Stalinists as an opposing ideology? I had an account here when this forum was just called the Che-Lives forum and it had Stalinists listed under Opposing Ideologies. Is my memory correct? I think they should be listed as an opposing ideology. Just my opinion.

[Xvall]

There's no reason not to allow other socialistic/communistic "factions" to engage in the other sections of the board, so long as they're behaving.

[rice349]

Shut up and stop your *****ing El_Revolucionario...

[El_Revolucionario]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 11:05 PM
Shut up and stop your *****ing El_Revolucionario...
LOL. Fortunately I do not live in one of your Stalinist fantasies, so I have freedom of speech to voice my opinion :D

[all-too-human]

Originally posted by Drake [email protected] 3 2005, 10:08 PM
There's no reason not to allow other socialistic/communistic "factions" to engage in the other sections of the board, so long as they're behaving.
Do they ever? :P

[rice349]

LOL. Fortunately I do not live in one of your Stalinist fantasies, so I have freedom of speech to voice my opinion

Enjoy it while it lasts...I'll be in power someday just wait and see :D :angry: :ph34r:

[waltersm]

and we'll be leading the resistance against you ( el revolucianario vs. rice fist fight :lol: )

[Militant]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 09:49 PM
Why don't you include Stalinists as an opposing ideology? I had an account here when this forum was just called the Che-Lives forum and it had Stalinists listed under Opposing Ideologies. Is my memory correct? I think they should be listed as an opposing ideology. Just my opinion.
Why, we're just Marxist-Leninist. How do we oppose communism by being communists?

[Anarchist Freedom]

GUYS!!!! Drake had it all right. You all need to relax and stop thinking about the ism's IT may be a major thing between us but where all socialist and we will get no good discussion done by *****ing about other ideolouges within our own ranks. So if you have a problem with the stalinists keep it to AIM or PM or better yet keep it to yourself! ;)

[Militant]

Originally posted by The World's 1st [email protected] 18 2005, 10:24 PM
Well is anyone claiming that stalinists are communist?
Can you read?

[bed_of_nails]

Originally posted by Militant+Apr 19 2005, 12:14 AM--> (Militant @ Apr 19 2005, 12:14 AM)
The World's 1st [email protected] 18 2005, 10:24 PM
Well is anyone claiming that stalinists are communist?
Can you read? [/b]
No.

[Militant]

All socialists? We, Stalinist, are Marxist-Leninist.

Socialism is the bastardization of Marxism to try and make it appeal to the ruling class.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 03:06 AM
All socialists? We, Stalinist, are Marxist-Leninist.

Socialism is the bastardization of Marxism to try and make it appeal to the ruling class.
Where the hell did you get that?

Most communists oppose Stalinism because it involves a ruling class, and a working class, just like capitalism. It also involves a very strong state, and severely oppressive hierarchical structure, which are fairly anti-communist ideals.

Communists strife for a stateless classless society, Stalinism on the other hand, strengthens these things, and deserves as much (if not more) hostility, than capitalism.

Stalinism ultimately represses freedom, strengthens the state, massacres the political opponents and rivals and incorporates state capitalism.

Not to mention the anti-Semitic strand....

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by Anarchist [email protected] 4 2005, 03:28 AM
GUYS!!!! Drake had it all right. You all need to relax and stop thinking about the ism's IT may be a major thing between us but where all socialist and we will get no good discussion done by *****ing about other ideolouges within our own ranks. So if you have a problem with the stalinists keep it to AIM or PM or better yet keep it to yourself! ;)
Keep to myself??? what sort of philosophy is that? what if that was the general opinion about capitalism and the current ruling class??

"I hate capitalism, I hate the ruling class, and support the exploited....but im gonna keep it to myself. Afterall we're all human, and should put aside our differences"

[Hiero]

Originally posted by El_Revolucionario+Apr 4 2005, 10:24 AM--> (El_Revolucionario @ Apr 4 2005, 10:24 AM)
[email protected] 3 2005, 11:05 PM
Shut up and stop your *****ing El_Revolucionario...
LOL. Fortunately I do not live in one of your Stalinist fantasies, so I have freedom of speech to voice my opinion :D [/b]
Your the one who wants to put communist you disagree with in OI.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 10:35 AM
Your the one who wants to put communist you disagree with in OI.
I refuse to acknowledge Stalinists as proper communists. They're a greedy power-hungry, potentially fatal replacement for the current ruling class. And deserve to be treated as bad as capitalists, though are still entitled to hold their opinions.

[1936]

QUOTE (The World's 1st Elmoist @ Apr 18 2005, 10:24 PM)
Well is anyone claiming that stalinists are communist?


Can you read?

Well who is claiming this?

[1936]

All socialists? We, Stalinist, are Marxist-Leninist.

Socialism is the bastardization of Marxism to try and make it appeal to the ruling class.

Yes....because under stalin regime the bourgese were elimanated?....

So when Stalin was of authority....there were no authoratarians?.....

[cormacobear]

Stalinists are generally free to access the whole board, however it generally doesn't take very long before there beleifs cause them to make a statement that contravenes the forum's anti-hate, anti- Racism policies......leading to either restriction to OI, or banning depending on the severity of the comment.

So that's why there are sometimes Stalinists in OI, and sometimes not. :D

[Anarchist Freedom]

Originally posted by Anarcho Rebel+Apr 18 2005, 06:43 AM--> (Anarcho Rebel @ Apr 18 2005, 06:43 AM)
[email protected] 18 2005, 10:35 AM
Your the one who wants to put communist you disagree with in OI.
I refuse to acknowledge Stalinists as proper communists. They're a greedy power-hungry, potentially fatal replacement for the current ruling class. And deserve to be treated as bad as capitalists, though are still entitled to hold their opinions. [/b]
Yeah we should keep this to ourselves where all comrades. By *****ing about the stalinists your doing nothing but using oxygen because they arent going to change. So just keep your hate for stalinsts to yourself like me.

[Wiesty]

being a stalinist is almost like being a nazi

[1936]

Well is anyone claiming that stalinists are communist?

[rice349]

being a stalinist is almost like being a nazi

im not even going to ask where you came to this mind-numbing conclusion...

[Hiero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 10:44 PM
Stalinists are generally free to access the whole board, however it generally doesn't take very long before there beleifs cause them to make a statement that contravenes the forum's anti-hate, anti- Racism policies......leading to either restriction to OI, or banning depending on the severity of the comment.

So that's why there are sometimes Stalinists in OI, and sometimes not. :D
I don't that has every happen.

[bed_of_nails]

We should just choose representatives and have a fistfight between them, as was suggested before. "Rice vs. Capitalist". Wait... They are on the same side :P

[Militant]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2005, 05:33 AM
We should just choose representatives and have a fistfight between them, as was suggested before. "Rice vs. Capitalist". Wait... They are on the same side :P
Yeah, RAF versus Anarchists Freedom. That'd be sweet.

[1936]

Privatilisation + Stalinism = Nazism

[rice349]

downs syndrome + desparate need for attention = world's 1st elmoist

[1936]

Hey! a personal attack instead of resorting to defending the clearly undefendable!

Kind of typical for a stalinist to resort to not only offending me (fair enough) but to have to resort to offending the mentally disabled.....?

Now what did these chappys do to you?

Tut tut, naughty little facist, discrimantion to what you (As a stalinist) will ofcourse see as an unprodutive, and useless and unproductive unit of society, therfor there a disposable to you?

Dont forget, in 1939 Stalin and Hitler walked hand in hand through berlin....

But dont let us silly little disabled children be mean to fuerer stalin....WHOOPS! i mean comrade stalin.

[rice349]

Hey! a personal attack instead of resorting to defending the clearly undefendable!

Are you kidding me? Do you know how many countless threads there are dealing with the the whole issue of "stalinism = nazism" or some bullshit like that? I've argued it several times i don't feel like doing it here, i just wanted to state the obvious.


Kind of typical for a stalinist to resort to not only offending me (fair enough) but to have to resort to offending the mentally disabled.....?

I planned on offending you, i don't see how i offended the mentally disabled--other than the fact i compared them to you :blink:


Tut tut, naughty little facist, discrimantion to what you (As a stalinist) will ofcourse see as an unprodutive, and useless and unproductive unit of society, therfor there a disposable to you?

Umm, yeah. I'd like to see proof of my fascism...considering I'm nothing of the sort you will have to support that. I do not have a problem with the disabled, they are certainly not disposable and deserve a living pension to ensure survival despite the fact they can't work.


Dont forget, in 1939 Stalin and Hitler walked hand in hand through berlin....

If you're referring to the non-agression pact if you knew anything of history you'd know this was the only route Stalin could take to prevent even more Soviet losses. the soviet army wasn't ready to take on the full force of the nazis on the eastern front, this was a chance for the soviets to try and play catch up in armaments.


But dont let us silly little disabled children be mean to fuerer stalin....WHOOPS! i mean comrade stalin.

whoa dude! you've gone too far :rolleyes:

[bed_of_nails]

Let us settle this with a KY Jelly wrestling match, held in the middle of a gay bar.

[OleMarxco]

"Stalinism" (although I prefer to call it Sovjetism) is but an limited capitalism, i.e., state-capitalism. Also the main perception of Communism today, unfairly...and too bad... What an illusion, how a nation/man can destroy the good image of the TRUE communism ;)

But ain't there a rule of "don't make threads about restrictions".

[1936]

Are you kidding me? Do you know how many countless threads there are dealing with the the whole issue of "stalinism = nazism" or some bullshit like that? I've argued it several times i don't feel like doing it here, i just wanted to state the obvious.

Well isnt that convinient....



I planned on offending you, i don't see how i offended the mentally disabled--other than the fact i compared them to you

It seemed to be the first option that these were to be related to those of the situation that when you tell others that is the situation they should be in, theyd be offended.



Umm, yeah. I'd like to see proof of my fascism...considering I'm nothing of the sort you will have to support that. I do not have a problem with the disabled, they are certainly not disposable and deserve a living pension to ensure survival despite the fact they can't work.

Yeeeeeeees....your the little stalinist liberator..."no man, no problem" in your signature is code for sweets and puppys for orphans....




If you're referring to the non-agression pact if you knew anything of history you'd know this was the only route Stalin could take to prevent even more Soviet losses. the soviet army wasn't ready to take on the full force of the nazis on the eastern front, this was a chance for the soviets to try and play catch up in armaments.

ooh ok, so it was always there intention to strike back? "catch up"....so they would have broke the pact even if the nazis didnt invade?...yeeeees....

Stalin was the victim in this! i see it now! last resort eh?....

..........

*looks around*........

........bullshit

[rice349]

"Stalinism" (although I prefer to call it Sovjetism) is but an limited capitalism, i.e., state-capitalism. Also the main perception of Communism today, unfairly...and too bad... What an illusion, how a nation/man can destroy the good image of the TRUE communism

stalinism isn't a real term. secondly, you also don't quite know what state-capitalism is. State-capitalism simply means government ownership of some industries that exists with the free market system (aka capitalism). When Stalin was in power in the U.S.S.R., there was absolutely no legal free enterprise whatsoever. Free market reforms didn't exist until Khruschev's betrayal. So you don't even know what you're talking about.


Yeeeeeeees....your the little stalinist liberator..."no man, no problem" in your signature is code for sweets and puppys for orphans....

I said show me evidence of my fascism and this is what you give me? I rest my case.


ooh ok, so it was always there intention to strike back? "catch up"....so they would have broke the pact even if the nazis didnt invade?...yeeeees....

Stalin was the victim in this! i see it now! last resort eh?....

You clearly have a poor understanding of history, while i would love to give you a formal lecture on the events of the soviet union and WWII, i don't have the time to do it online; so here's a brief summary. Before the pact was made, the Soviet Union had made several attempts to create an alliance with Britain and France but were rejected. THe soviet union (having gone under massive radical changes in the 1930's) was not in any shape to head off to war against the nazi war machine. Stalin wanted to create an alliance with the French and British and thwart Hitler right when Chamberlain gave him part of Czechoslovakia. Stalin wanted to stop Hitler before he bcame too strong, the West on the other hand saw this as no threat to them and perhaps a chance to allow the nazis and soviets go to war against each other and did absolutely nothing but make concessions to Hitler and teh Nazis. So, when the west turned their backs on the Soviets, they were forced to sign a pact that would deter war for at least a few years (the Soviets never had any intentions of remaining neutral).

No, Stalin wasn't the victim--it was the soviet people you incoherent waste of human space.

[1936]

I said show me evidence of my fascism and this is what you give me? I rest my case.

Ok, give me two minutes so i can run to my darkroom and get the pictures of you killing children in your vietnese sweat shop....HOW THE HELL AM I MEANT TO GET EVIDENCE YOU MORON!

maybe the fact that you ideolise the man that killed millions of people?...i dont know maybe im just a liberal deuche but the gulags were kinda...you know....genocide is flashing in big neon lights in my head but god knows why....





You clearly have a poor understanding of history, while i would love to give you a formal lecture on the events of the soviet union and WWII, i don't have the time to do it online; so here's a brief summary. Before the pact was made, the Soviet Union had made several attempts to create an alliance with Britain and France but were rejected. THe soviet union (having gone under massive radical changes in the 1930's) was not in any shape to head off to war against the nazi war machine. Stalin wanted to create an alliance with the French and British and thwart Hitler right when Chamberlain gave him part of Czechoslovakia. Stalin wanted to stop Hitler before he bcame too strong, the West on the other hand saw this as no threat to them and perhaps a chance to allow the nazis and soviets go to war against each other and did absolutely nothing but make concessions to Hitler and teh Nazis. So, when the west turned their backs on the Soviets, they were forced to sign a pact that would deter war for at least a few years (the Soviets never had any intentions of remaining neutral).

....yeah dude your tottaly right *spoon feeding actions*

So im going to play to your idea of what happend.....and they were waiting till it was most convinient to intervene....so youd be right....but call me crazy but if i was a man that was trying to brin about communism to europe...i would under no terms from an alliance with the dude that persecuted and killed communists....

And your imperealistic shit head of a leader wanted a share of Poland shant be mentioned in the conversation....because thats silly talk.....

He didnt invade Poland! him and the troops were on there holidays!

.......but seriousley now, there not equiped for war?...yet they invade Poland? Please dude. Stalin was a facist, a imperealistic, murderer.





Stalinism is so retarded, it will never come back to power?

Left wing revolution will need the suport of the people and what kind of twat is going to say when you come marching in "yes please release me from this terrible facist, capitalst system!....so you can oppress me into a situation of poverty on a mass scale...but dont worry ill suffer in the fields whilst you...well dont. Please here take my rights of free speech and views whilst you kill millions of the people your supposedly saving"

[RedCeltic]

Back when this website had restricted "Stalinists" I had supported such mesures. My reasoning was simple. Had we been living in the 1980's... "Stalinists" would actually be "counter revolutionary" in any instance that was not directly supported by Moscow. "Stalinist" Communist Parties were basicly fan clubs for the USSR.

However, with the fall of the Soviet Union and other "Stalinist" nations... being a "Stalinist" is kind of like supporting the Monarchy of France.... in that there is no more USSR for them to look to as the answer, or to guide them as to what to do or say.

Therefore... what really is a "Stalinist" in the 21st centery? We can no longer call them "Counter revolutionary" as for even them to achieve their goal ( the existance of a Stalinist State) they need revolution.

Without the Soviet Union telling Communist Parties to just be "fan clubs" for Moscow and only exist to spout their rhetoric... "Stalinists" really are only communists who are still looking backwards longingly and have not yet learned to look forwards.

[Redmau5]

Originally posted by The World's 1st [email protected] 24 2005, 01:36 PM
ooh ok, so it was always there intention to strike back? "catch up"....so they would have broke the pact even if the nazis didnt invade?
If the Nazis didn't invade ? This once again demonstrates your poor knowledge of history. It wasn't a question of if the nazis were going to invade, but when. Hitler had always made it clear that he wanted in to invade Russia.

The pact didn't mean that Stalin now supported fascism, it was simply a security measure. After Stalin's paranoia had robbed the Red Army of some of it's best generals, it was necessary to insure Soviet safety.

Im no fan of Stalin's, but i hate it when people try and use the Nazi-Soviet pact to portray Stalin as some sort of Hitler-lover.

[1936]

Add up the death tallys of Mousilini, Amin, Franco, Pot and Kim il Sung.....and still not as high as Stalins tally

[1936]

That quote in your signature...Leon Trotsky....

Tell me....who had him killed? hmmmm...interesting....


The pact didn't mean that Stalin now supported fascism

I know Stalin didnt turn to supporting facism when the pact started....BECAUSE HE WAS A BIG FUCKING FACIST HIMSELF!

[Redmau5]

I believe you mean fascist, not facist.

He wasn't a fascist. I had an argument with LSD a long time ago about the meaning of fascism, and Stalin didn't quite fit the definition. He may have been a tyrant, but not every tyrant in the world has to be fascist. Get the point ?

Many people would argue that Stalin was the natural successor of Lenin. Would you call comrade Lenin a tyrant ?

The fact that Stalin had Trotsky killed doesn't automatically make him a tyrant either.

[1936]

well how would you define fascism?

[Redmau5]

Originally posted by The World's 1st [email protected] 24 2005, 03:45 PM
well how would you define fascism?
Well i would define fascism as:


Any system of government resembling Mussolini's, that

1.exalts nation and sometimes race above the individual
2.uses violence and modern techniques of propaganda and censorship to forcibly suppress political opposition
3.engages in severe economic and social regimentation
4.engages in corporatism
5.implements totalitarianism

Now do you get the point ???

[1936]

1.exalts nation and sometimes race above the individual

Stalin didnt do this????!?!!?!?






2.uses violence and modern techniques of propaganda and censorship to forcibly suppress political opposition

Saying Stalin didnt do this is plain moronic



3.engages in severe economic and social regimentation

He didnt do this??!?!?!!?




5.implements totalitarianism


He didnt do this?!!?!??!





So he scores 4/5.....yet hes not a facist?

[Redmau5]

Nope he's not fascist. It's not even up for debate.

Stalin didn't make wild claims that Russians were superior to other people, like Mussolini did. They did have many similarities but he wasn't fascist. End of story.

[1936]

Your now entering heated debate....with yourself.

Your own statement clearly shows Stalin as a facist.

[Redmau5]

So you're claiming Stalin was an extremely nationalistic rightist ?

[1936]

Well he CERTAINLY wasnt left wing. State run economics in which the proletariat sufferd imensley and had no control...

Actually give me 2 secs.....state run economic situation, in which the people had no control and didnt benefit.....where does thast sound familiar?

[Redmau5]

So no one benefitted what so ever ? People practically begged the government to nationalise industry because the industries were threatened with closure. Conditions weren't great but at least people had jobs.

If Stalin really was fascist, then why did he send troops and equipment to assist the left-wing Republican government in Spain during the Civil War ? If he was as fascist as you claim, surely he would have sent them to General Franco and his fascist troops.

I don't like Stalin, infact i despise the man. But one thing's for certain; he wasn't fascist.

[1936]

1) Just because he opposed other facists, means nothing
2) Just because he was a beter alternative to the tsars, dosent mean the people benefited from hes economics
3) So because not everyone was in 100% poverty, it wasnt right wing? so you "some benefited" means he was left wing? surely thats the opposite if theres a privaleged few.

[Redmau5]

The majority of people under Stalin weren't in poverty.

Claiming that Stalin was fascist is ridiculous. Why did Hitler, Mussolini etc. hate him so much if he was "one of them" ?

[1936]

Because he was a facist that was a major influence at the time to left wing revolutionaries, even though he was as far right as bristol.

[Redmau5]

Ever heard of collective security against fascism ? I just don't undertand why a "fascist" like Stalin would do so much to oppose fascism.

You're one of the most ignorant people on this board.

[1936]

OK, im going to set up a organisation to stop people who hurt cats....then im going to but rape my cat.

But im not hurting my cat, BECAUSE I SET UP A ORGANISATION NOT TO!

Your brilliant dude, purely brilliant. :lol:

He dosent mind facism, aslong as hes the facist....you understand?

Now if you dont mind....cats to be protected.

[rice349]

Ok, give me two minutes so i can run to my darkroom and get the pictures of you killing children in your vietnese sweat shop....HOW THE HELL AM I MEANT TO GET EVIDENCE YOU MORON!

maybe the fact that you ideolise the man that killed millions of people?...i dont know maybe im just a liberal deuche but the gulags were kinda...you know....genocide is flashing in big neon lights in my head but god knows why....

I meant take something from which i've posted that is reminiscent of fascism--you can't. You're so fucking pathetic even makaveli_05 is arguing against you and he's a damn trotskyite!

You have no clear understanding of what "facism" is (nor can you spell you retard). I'm done arguing with a petty, ignorant child.


but call me crazy but if i was a man that was trying to brin about communism to europe...i would under no terms from an alliance with the dude that persecuted and killed communists....

I'm not calling you crazy i'm calling you fucking retarded. I never said an alliance, i said a non-agression pact. Goddamnit i hate when people don't read you ignorant piece of trash.


And your imperealistic shit head of a leader wanted a share of Poland shant be mentioned in the conversation....because thats silly talk.....

By splitting up Poland Stalin probably saved hundreds of thousands of Poles and Soviet soldiers from the nazis.


Stalinism is so retarded, it will never come back to power?

Left wing revolution will need the suport of the people and what kind of twat is going to say when you come marching in "yes please release me from this terrible facist, capitalst system!....so you can oppress me into a situation of poverty on a mass scale...but dont worry ill suffer in the fields whilst you...well dont. Please here take my rights of free speech and views whilst you kill millions of the people your supposedly saving"

No, good sir, you are the one that is retarded. There were no imperialistic invasions, no fascism, and definitely no capitalistic system. There's no point in debating you, you obviously have no understanding of history, politics, or clearly anything. Makaveli_05 was right when he clearly stated that you are perhaps one of the most ignorant people on this board.

Don't bother arguing him makaveli_05 it's only a waste of time. Ignore him and let the little jack off think what he wants, nobody's been paying attention to him anyways.

As for "stalinists" being banned, the admins/mods/cc of the site realize how hypocritical it was to do such a thing. As a matter of fact i might be in the CC soon enough, it's already been brought up--whether or not I get voted in is another thing but we'll just see.

[1936]

Lets start with calming down and keep the fucking personal attacks to ourselves eh? Were you breast fed to long as a child i mean christ.



I meant take something from which i've posted that is reminiscent of fascism--you can't.

Oh please hold on while i run around the website looking for evidence that a stalinist is a facist, beside the fact that hes a STALINIST PERHAPS?!?!?



You have no clear understanding of what "facism" is (nor can you spell you retard). I'm done arguing with a petty, ignorant child.

Firstly i even used makevelis definition of facism and STILL stalin came out facist.....tehehe, and i cant spell, because im severley dislexic....which feels great when brought up infront of a site of 40,000 members....



I'm not calling you crazy i'm calling you fucking retarded. I never said an alliance, i said a non-agression pact. Goddamnit i hate when people don't read you ignorant piece of trash.

See, you argue with how my post was worded instead of the context of what i said.... :lol:



By splitting up Poland Stalin probably saved hundreds of thousands of Poles and Soviet soldiers from the nazis.

*spoon feeding actions*.....



No, good sir, you are the one that is retarded. There were no imperialistic invasions, no fascism, and definitely no capitalistic system. There's no point in debating you, you obviously have no understanding of history, politics, or clearly anything. Makaveli_05 was right when he clearly stated that you are perhaps one of the most ignorant people on this board.

Dude, edit that post quick.....my poor knowledge of history is so weak yet still im geting those neo-lights AGAIN


Poland....Estonia....latvia....Lithuania


Don't bother arguing him makaveli_05 it's only a waste of time. Ignore him and let the little jack off think what he wants, nobody's been paying attention to him anyways.

Convinient that you found a way to stop the debate.....because im sure your right....about as right as stalin BUD UM DUM CHHHH!

[Redmau5]

World's 1st Elmoist (whatever the fuck that means), go to any political or historical professors in any university and make the claim that Stalin "was a facist". See what kind of reaction you get, if they even bother to give you a reaction at all.

[1936]

I sure will!....but by YOUR definition....we concluded he was a;

Puppy....no
Hippy....no
Drag queen....occasionally
Assasinated lincoln...no
Painted ceilings on cathedrals....no
Facist....yes
Stared in the movie deep throat...no but he would have been good

"Oh big moustached man are you here to fix the plumbing?...no im going to annex your country"

[rice349]

Firstly i even used makevelis definition of facism and STILL stalin came out facist.....tehehe, and i cant spell, because im severley dislexic....which feels great when brought up infront of a site of 40,000 members....

:D i had a feeling

*not laughing due to your disability, excited that i was correct in assessing what your problem was.

[1936]

Fucking funny to be renderd unable to distinguish between letters in words? that will follow me my whole life? Fucking ****

[rice349]

Fucking funny to be renderd unable to distinguish between letters in words? that will follow me my whole life? Fucking ****

Congratulations! You had 0 incorrect spellings in this sentence, might I add you are improving greatly...fucking twat.

[Redmau5]

Fascism is extremely right wing and nationalist. Seeing Stalin was neither, we must therefore deduce that he wasn't fascist. Get it ? :angry:

Also, my definition (which i got from wikipedia) stated that a key factor in fascist government is corporatism, which was non-existent in the USSR. So how was he a fascist ?

[1936]

You fucking dick, ive been diagnosed with a disability and your fucking putting in all over the fucking site in your fucking signature.

Fucking die you peice of fucking facist shit

[rice349]

You fucking dick, ive been diagnosed with a disability and your fucking putting in all over the fucking site in your fucking signature.

Fucking die you peice of fucking facist shit

You flamed me first asshole. You fucking die you fucking piece of shit.

[1936]

Fucking scum, "flamed". If someone in a wheelchair critisises a man who murders millions then you dont fucking push hes wheel chair over you fucking piece of shit get stabbed like the fucking dog you are.

[rice349]

Fucking scum, "flamed". If someone in a wheelchair critisises a man who murders millions then you dont fucking push hes wheel chair over you fucking piece of shit get stabbed like the fucking dog you are.

Now if a person in a wheelchair criticized me I might just push their wheel chair over, that's just who I am. However, it was immature of me to put that in my signature so i have thus removed it ON MY OWN. Don't fucking flame me cocksucker--if you can't take it then shut the fuck up and don't talk about things you couldn't possibly understand.

[1936]

Who the fuck cant understand it. Its not a question of industrialising countries the fucking bastard orderd over 5 million people to be killed and was responsible for the death of 20 million more through the conditions he created.

Fucking wank stain come down to birmingham and ill wipe all prospect of your seed of the face of the earth you fucking cum sucking stalinist dog

[1936]

Who the fuck cant understand it. Its not a question of industrialising countries the fucking bastard orderd over 5 million people to be killed and was responsible for the death of 20 million more through the conditions he created.

Fucking wank stain come down to birmingham and ill wipe all prospect of your seed off the face of the earth you fucking cum sucking stalinist dog

[rice349]

Who the fuck cant understand it. Its not a question of industrialising countries the fucking bastard orderd over 5 million people to be killed and was responsible for the death of 20 million more through the conditions he created.

Fucking wank stain come down to birmingham and ill wipe all prospect of your seed off the face of the earth you fucking cum sucking stalinist dog

hmm... "Lets start with calming down and keep the fucking personal attacks to ourselves eh? Were you breast fed to long as a child i mean christ." (sound familiar? I believe you said that to me earlier) :rolleyes:

[1936]

Fuck that shit, get to snowhill station youll find out what a berreta couger in the forehead feels like

[Wolnosc-Solidarnosc]

From Stanley G. Payne's A History of Fascism... one of the most respected books on the subject.

What fascism is.

Ideology and goals:
-Espousal of an idealist, vitalist, and voluntaristic philosophy, normally involving the attempt to realize a modern, self-determined, and secular culture.
-Creation of a new nationalist authoritarian state not based on traditional principles or models.
-Organization of a new highly regulated, multiclass, integrated national economic structure, whether called national corporatist, national socialist, or national syndicalist.
-Positive evaluation and use of, or willingness to use, violence and war.
-The goal of empire, expansion, or a radical change in the nation's relationship with other powers.

Style and organization:
-Attempted mass mobilization with militarization of political relationships and style with the goal of a mass party militia.
-Emphasis on aesthetic structure of meetings, symbols, and political liturgy, stressing emotional and mystical aspects.
-Extreme stress on the masculine principle and male dominance, while espousing a strongly organic view of society.
- Exaltation of youth above other phases of life, emphasizing the conflict of generations, at least in effecting the initial political transformation.
-Specific tendency toward an authoritarian, charismatic, personal style of command, whether or not the command is to some degree initially elective.

As you were...

[MrT]

World's 1st elmoist gave me this message:

"i gota go offline now, but i'm not doin sum teenage hard man act, i will fuckin take a berreta to rice's head."

[Redmau5]

Thanks for that definition. I think it proves Stalin wasn't fascist. Athough he was a mass-murderer, calling him fascist is a bit extreme, seeing he didn't fit all the principles common to fascist government.

[Frederick_Engles]

He was as bad as any fascist. He is also worse, acting under the false pretence of helping the workers.

[Redmau5]

He was worse in terms of the amount of people he killed than any fascist, but that doesn't make him a fascist.

[Frederick_Engles]

I agree-hmm a fellow Trotskyist. When I was on here last a couple of years ago Trotskyists were regarded as scum. How times change.

[Enragé]

Originally posted by Anarcho Rebel+Apr 18 2005, 10:43 AM--> (Anarcho Rebel @ Apr 18 2005, 10:43 AM)
[email protected] 18 2005, 10:35 AM
Your the one who wants to put communist you disagree with in OI.
I refuse to acknowledge Stalinists as proper communists. They're a greedy power-hungry, potentially fatal replacement for the current ruling class. And deserve to be treated as bad as capitalists, though are still entitled to hold their opinions. [/b]
i agree