President Hugo Chavez Frias orders 5-day mourning

[Xvall]

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Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez Frias has expressed his Nation's sorrow at the death of Pope John Paul II.

Calling John Paul, the "Pilgrim Pope," Chavez Frias says he had a lot of time for him ... "he was very human ... I had a lot of warmth and affection for him ... that's life, he has fulfilled his task."

Speaking from San Fernando (Apure), where he closed the IV Mobile Cabinet of Ministers, President Chavez has reminded his fellow citizens that he has had two audiences with the Pope in 2000 and 2002.

"I had the pleasure of meeting the Pope and I'll never forget my dialogue with him over there in Rome."

The Pope has left us many teachings, Chavez Frias maintains, singling out the Pope's condemnation of the invasion of Iraq as "immoral and illegal."

Another was the teaching that the world's media cannot appeal to unlimited freedom.

"When they criticized me for answering a letter from Carlos Illich Ramirez (The Jackal) in prison in France, I said criticize me if you like but look at John Paul II when he visited the young man who nearly killed him, giving him his blessing."

Opening his Alo President Sunday radio address this morning, President Chavez Frias has ordered a 5-day period of official mourning for the death of Pope John Paul ... "we render tribute to his memory and hang up our harps and the voices of our singers for you."

[aztecklaw]

I'll tell you what, this President Hugo Chavez Frias is a smart man.

I already said it on another post, If the new Pope and President Chavez shook hands that would create some monumental shifts that would threaten American imperialism and Globalization.

Whether or not you believe in Christianity, you can't deny that the Pope has major influence on the people around the world. To get the Catholic Church to become more sypathetic to 3rd world situations and bring awareness to the negative effects of Globalization.

The new Pope can hopefully not be so critical of socialism and communism.

Again, wishful thinking from someone that really wants to see a fundamental change in the world in a hurry. :D

[redstar2000]

No surprise...Chavez is not and has never claimed to be a Marxist.

In fact, when he used to go on the dummyvision, he always brought along his plastic "Baby Jesus Doll" and would actually kiss it in full view of the cameras.

Amazing the self-degradation some people are capable of, isn't it?

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[Commie Girl]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 07:37 PM
No surprise...Chavez is not and has never claimed to be a Marxist.

In fact, when he used to go on the dummyvision, he always brought along his plastic "Baby Jesus Doll" and would actually kiss it in full view of the cameras.

Amazing the self-degradation some people are capable of, isn't it?

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:o OMG...Really? I had no idea, I have been a strong supporter of the "Bolivarian Revolution" and I thought he was a Marxist....eek. :( Thanks for the info, RedStar! (You are still my favourite reason to be here) :redstar2000:

[viva le revolution]

Whether he claims to be Marxist or not Chavez has formed a left-leaning government based on the socialist pattern and frequently speaks out against imperialism and american hegemony.
Chavez is doing that to appease the religious population in Venezuela, just like any other leader would.

[LSD]

Chavez is doing that to appease the religious population in Venezuela, just like any other leader would.

Well...yeah..

But the world isn't that black and white. Chavez can be both "against imperialism and american hegemony" and religious.

Although I can't personally speak to Chavez's religious convictions, I certainly allow for the very real possibility that his feelings for the Pope are genuine, despite how dispicable we all know the Pope and his policies to be.

Chaves is a leftist, but he will never "lead" a revolution. Only the people can do that!

[Zingu]

Well the pope did do some good things....remember Chile? He organized the opposition; yes, even the Communists and openly denouced Pinochet's tyranny. Hell, people actually start rioting after he held a rally.


A few months later; Pinochet's regime was at an end.



*runs away from incoming flames*

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2005, 06:59 PM
Well the pope did do some good things....remember Chile? He organized the opposition; yes, even the Communists and openly denouced Pinochet's tyranny. Hell, people actually start rioting after he held a rally.


A few months later; Pinochet's regime was at an end.



*runs away from incoming flames*
Source???

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[bolshevik butcher]

I don't like the pope, but onsidering most of the population was catholic surley in the name of democracy it's the right thing to do?

[Zingu]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 02:35 AM

Source???

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It was in a book my dad read; I'll ask him about the title tommorow.

[Colombia]

Compromises must be made in the world of politics and what better way to get the people's backing than by mourning for the pope in this very religious country?

[RedAnarchist]

Chavez should not be kissing the arse of the religious. He should have shown that Venezuela is not ruled by any imperialistic force - including that of the Catholic Church. If he wants to be a socialist, he should remove all religious thought from his brain and allow himself to think freely. How can he help Vanezuela progress if he bows to the Vatican? He may as well just bow down to the warhawks and christian fundamentalists in Washington.

[Vladimir]

I somewhat agree with Colombia. This is a compromise is a country where eight plus percent are baptised Roman Catholic...Although I think Comrade Chavez should start kicking out some of the 4000 foreign missionaries/priests that are the principal people preaching religious nonsense in the country.

[Colombia]

Is that a picture of Hussein Vladimir?

[bushdog]

Originally posted by Commie [email protected] 4 2005, 01:54 AM
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:o OMG...Really? I had no idea, I have been a strong supporter of the "Bolivarian Revolution" and I thought he was a Marxist....eek. :( Thanks for the info, RedStar! (You are still my favourite reason to be here) :redstar2000: [/quote]
what are you a valley girl? Get some basic info on world issues.

[Vladimir]

Is that a picture of Hussein Vladimir?

Yes. In his early days he was quite handsome do you not think?

[Commie Girl]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 08:56 AM

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:o OMG...Really? I had no idea, I have been a strong supporter of the "Bolivarian Revolution" and I thought he was a Marxist....eek. :( Thanks for the info, RedStar! (You are still my favourite reason to be here) :redstar2000:
what are you a valley girl? Get some basic info on world issues. [/quote]
:lol: Gee...you've been around here since Feb. 10....maybe look back and read some of my prior posts before sounding like a total fucking idiot.

Redstar has been getting harrass here lately, just confirming that he has lots of support also around OI. :redstar2000:

[cormacobear]

Oh quit blowing smoke up the spitefull old theophobes ass.

Maybe like most people in South America he's Catholic. And while he has never said he was a Marxist he has openly declared himself a socialist. If you intend on condemning every individual who's veiw doesn't meet up with your own, then you have a communism of one to look forward too.

[aztecklaw]

Let's not forget about the war that America has waged on the Catholic Church in Latin America.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1212-02.htm

I don't agree with religion at all, but let's not steer views towards the cynical.

[pandora]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 12:39 AM
I'll tell you what, this President Hugo Chavez Frias is a smart man.

I already said it on another post, If the new Pope and President Chavez shook hands that would create some monumental shifts that would threaten American imperialism and Globalization.

Whether or not you believe in Christianity, you can't deny that the Pope has major influence on the people around the world. To get the Catholic Church to become more sypathetic to 3rd world situations and bring awareness to the negative effects of Globalization.

The new Pope can hopefully not be so critical of socialism and communism.

Again, wishful thinking from someone that really wants to see a fundamental change in the world in a hurry. :D
I agree with you whole-heartedly, the convention of the cardinals will be electing a new world leader for a billion people, that makes one of the largest nations spread throughout.

Being realistic, the only chance would be someone who had not condemned liberation theology in the 70's here's an unofficial guide with lots of profanity :lol:

The Candiates:
Latin America:
Norberto Rivera Carrera, 68, Mexico
Conservatism combined with defense of the poor, out spoken about U.S. xenoism against Chicanos. Considered too young.

Claudio Hummes, 70
Used to be a liberal, possibly Liberation theology, supported union leaders allowing them to use his masses to speak in the 70&#39;s against the military junta, has since moved to the right <_<

Jorge Mario Bergoglio, 68, Argentina
Opposed Liberation Theology, but a Jesuit, "all be it a conservative one" and that&#39;s coming from the NYT. Eventually gained a backbone recently speaking out against IMF policies in Argentina that screwed millions. :huh: about time.

Oscar Andres Rodriguez Maradiaga, 63, Honduras
Honduras has historically been conservative even right wing [Contras?] But Oscar has supposedly built a platform of social justice, however has gotten caught mugging for the cameras <_<

AFRICA
Francis Arinze, 72 Nigeria
Conservative, but fuck all he&#39;s from Africa and his skin is dark if that doesn&#39;t piss off the Right wing the world over I&#39;d be very shocked. All they would be whispering for months is "The pope is black the church is doomed." Bastards. I hope he gets it conservative or not just to piss them all off, and remind the world that Africa exists and is suffering&#33; Ya Basta&#33;Black Pope, Fuck Yah&#33; :lol:

Portugual
Jose de Cruz Policarpo, 69
Liberal connections to Latin America dialogues with other religions

Germany
Joseph Ratzinger, 78
Supposedly a right wing son of a witch on social issues, but liberal against globalization, bastard about Islam and feminism. Cardinal Martinit&#39;s progressive block tried to block his ass.

Italians
All very political and White with lots of theory behind them, no voice to speak of outside of &#39;official&#39; policy, yawn&#33; :D except for:
Cardinal Tettamanzi has been "sounding off" about poverty and social justice and spoke to the protesters at the G-8 protest in Genoa on the EVILS of Globalization, fuck lot better than Ratzinger.

Alright I&#39;m going to admit something here:
I considered the pope a friend, or pen pal of such. When he was shot he wrote me from ICU in Polish as if I was a friend. No one has ever written me from the ICU like that, it really meant a lot to me.
I&#39;m a Buddhist personally, but the fact he would right someone from his hospital bed in critical condition a warm letter even though his hand was shaking due to medication and he couldn&#39;t write so well, so he wrote me in Polish really told me the kind of person he was, he was a good man, warts and all with really good energy and we wasn&#39;t as self-serving he just did what he thought was right, even though I may not agree with him. His forgiving the guy who shot him was the real deal. He was a conservative Christian no doubt about it, but he had a heart. A lot the Cardinals in question don&#39;t :( Sad to say that&#39;s the real deal.

Pope John had the guts to go against the U.S. several times. He was not impressed to say the least with increasing materialization in Poland. His last visit there he asked the crowd, "You know where America is?" to which they all shouted and he replied, "I&#39;ll bet you do&#33;"

He visited Cuba, to piss off the U.S. bottom line. He wrote a lot of anti-feminist stuff that pissed me off, but he also wrote a book about how the world&#39;s male population are a bunch of selfish prigs who have to get their asses out of the bar and support their families. He called shit the way he saw it like any grumpy old man. Claudio Hummes is probably the only one with the balls to pull off half the shit he did. The world lost a great man, even if he was a Catholic leader against birth control, which is insane&#33;

[deLoner]

Religion isnt just bad, it makes people feel more happy..how is that a bad thing?

What is a problem is that religious(christianity, islam..the religions with a final "goal") people is more likely to accept the conditions and not cease the moment(or this life) because they think that it will all be better in the next life.. thats a big problem..

To be a socialist and to be religious isnt a contradiction in my book.. For.ex. christianity and islam both speaks about being good to the next and sharing and so on..when that is said there are many interpretations that I am not exactly fond of, defending the current system..

In Norway the left-wing party, loosely translated to sosialistic leftwingparty, is actually the party that has the most christian votes.. ahead of a party called christian peoples party.. :P
and I belive that is because many have interpreted the learning of the bible into fighting for a more fair world..and the christian party is in an alliance with a mean right-winged party simply called right(høyre)

I am not religious btw ;)