Popes Dead!

[American_Trotskyist]

Yes it is the death of a salesman and reactionary. So who will be next, the Nigerian, Italian or Mexican?

[LSD]

Woo Hoo!!! :lol: Party Time!! :cuba: :cuba: :cuba:

One old fanatic down...

Personally, my mony's on an Italian getting it next.. or at least a European..

[MiniOswald]

yer i can only see a european getting in

[More Fire for the People]

My heart wants Francis Arinze or Jaime Lucas Ortega Alamino to be elected, but more likely some European will be elected.

Probably Ennio Antonelli, Tarcisio Bertone, or Dionigi Tettamanzi will be the Pope's successor,

[viva le revolution]

A staunch pillar of the Christian-fascist cause has fallen.
Let's hope a moderate person is elected next to this imperialistic post.

[Phalanx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2005, 08:58 PM
yer i can only see a european getting in
Yes, the Catholic Church still has an illusion that the majority of Catholics are white, but they seem to forget about Latin america or Africa. That or they're just racist fucks.

[Ell Carino]

What the fuck is the difference who takes over? Fuck the Vatican.

[PTA]

Ell carino is right, fuck em!

[aztecklaw]

Originally posted by Ell [email protected] 2 2005, 10:00 PM
What the fuck is the difference who takes over? Fuck the Vatican.
Here's an insightful article about Catholic attitude towards Marxism and Latin America.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Independ...Church_SNM.html (http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Independent_Media/Peoples_Church_SNM.html)

Although I do agree that a eurpoean will be the next Pope, there were some fundamental changes Pope John Paul II created within the Catholic ranks. He did bring many 3rd world country Bishops into the Vatican that are also eligible to become Pope.

No one can be more skeptical and in disagreement with any religion than me, but having to face the reality of it all, there must be a tolerance for religion if there is to be a true movement. An example would be the Christian-Marxist revolution in Nicaragua, sure this may sound like an oxymoron, but it worked.

Due to Pope John Paul's inability to see past his own history, he used his "Megaphone to the world" to advocate against Marxism which sparked much controversy.

But those Bishops from 3rd world countries in the Vatican may have a big influence on Catholic attitude. They may force the Vatican to take a more critical approach towards Globalization and Capitalism, one of them might even become the Pope.

Imagine if Venezuela's President Hugo Chávez and the new Pope shook hands in agreement with each other? That would dramatically change the political climate.

I can admit that most of my thoughts are wishful thinking, but in order to look at things properly, there would have to be a tolerance for religion. That is the unfortunate truth.

[Vanguard1917]

I say abolish the vatican church altogether.

As to who will be the next pope, i would not be surprised if they put in an African or somebody else from the developing world. It's all a political gimmick to increase interest in the organised Catholic faith at a time when most people (even Catholics themselves) could not really give a shit. The Polish pope (the first non-italian pope in centuries) came in at a time when religion was being suppressed by the Stalinist regimes in Eastern Europe. It was a very political appointment. It gave the Vatican support from millions of liberals in the West. So, in our current climate, where Africa has become central (for all the wrong reasons) in the moralistic hearts of many middle class liberal Westerners, appointing an African pope would be a wise move by the Vatican. (Like an alternative Koffi Anan.) It would somehow 'connect' people again, just as it did when the Polish pope was appointed.

[NovelGentry]

Mitch Hedberg died :(

[Aurora(inactive)]

Originally posted by Ell [email protected] 2 2005, 04:00 PM
What the fuck is the difference who takes over? Fuck the Vatican.
AMEN! :lol:

Catholicism pisses me off. They try to get to heaven under Mary's skirts.

no offense to any catholics! :P

[comrade_mufasa]

Originally posted by viva le [email protected] 2 2005, 04:24 PM
A staunch pillar of the Christian-fascist cause has fallen.
Let's hope a moderate person is elected next to this imperialistic post.
The problem is that the Jhon Paul 2 was alot more libreal then many of the bishops in the Vatican. This fact worries me.

[LSD]

Mitch Hedberg died

Yeah, I heard that. Very sad...


The problem is that the Jhon Paul 2 was alot more libreal then many of the bishops in the Vatican. This fact worries me.

It speaks to the fact that (especially in his later years), John Paul was becomming more and more conservative and appointing more and more conservatice cardinals.

Honestly, John Paul II was one of the most reactionary popes in a while, he manged to reverse almost everything progressive that John XXIII and Paul IV introduced.

[The Z-Man]

Originally posted by Lysergic Acid [email protected] 2 2005, 08:41 PM
Woo Hoo!!! :lol: Party Time!! :cuba: :cuba: :cuba:

One old fanatic down...

Personally, my mony's on an Italian getting it next.. or at least a European..
I know most of you here are not religious, but I am. My great aunt knew the Pope personally and although he tried to weed out totalisnarianism, he also critisized capitalism. He was a great man, a great leader of the Catholic church. I am sad to see him go. I don't care what you godless hithens think, but I think the Pope was a great man.

Karol, Rest in Peace.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Originally posted by viva le [email protected] 2 2005, 10:24 PM
A staunch pillar of the Christian-fascist cause has fallen.
Let's hope a moderate person is elected next to this imperialistic post.
Why?

Let's hope that the most brutal, conservative, authoritive person gets elected. Only then will people distance themselves from the Church and start asking themselves questions.

[poppy7143]

Originally posted by viva le [email protected] 2 2005, 09:24 PM
A staunch pillar of the Christian-fascist cause has fallen.
Let's hope a moderate person is elected next to this imperialistic post.
probably not gonna happen :( the Pope (RIP) filled the Cardinal's posts with extreme conservatives

[red_che]

Yeah, finally. There are more liberal-minded and progressive Cardinals from the Catholic Chruch specially in the third world countries. But, I think, there's no way for them to get elected as Pope. The next Pope to be elected will be more conservative, I guess.

[American_Trotskyist]

I know most of you here are not religious, but I am. My great aunt knew the Pope personally and although he tried to weed out totalisnarianism, he also critisized capitalism. He was a great man, a great leader of the Catholic church. I am sad to see him go. I don't care what you godless hithens think, but I think the Pope was a great man.

Karol, Rest in Peace.


Godless Hithens? LMFAO! Yeah, a he was there as an opium for the people, of course he couldn't just go out and say "Capitalism allows me to live like this, take money from you poor people and bribes from the bourgeoisie, keep the slavery going!" LSD and I have been celebrating quite bit from this, but I take my piece of Alice's candy later. Totalitarianism, start with is own rule and then capitalism. By the way, why do we have these evangelicals, the Protestant kind too, yelling about socialism and Catholicism existing together on the boards? Here from your own documents,

"Slavery itself, considered as such in its essential nature, is not at all contrary to the natural and divine law, and there can be several just titles of slavery and these are referred to by approved theologians and commentators of the sacred canons. It is not contrary to the natural and divine law for a slave to be sold, bought, exchanged or given. The purchaser should carefully examine whether the slave who is put up for sale has been justly or unjustly deprived of his liberty, and that the vendor should do nothing which might endanger the life, virtue or Catholic faith of the slave." (Instruction 20 of the Vatican Holy Office, June 1866)

And that is BEFORE 1888! Viva :marx: :engles: Lenin too :trotski: Viva :hammer: !!!

[LSD]

I don't care what you godless hithens think, but I think the Pope was a great man.

Well as a "godless hithen", I can tell you I'm getting ready to paaaaaart-ay!

:cuba: :cuba: :cuba: :cool: Yeah! :cuba: :cuba:


He was a great man

He was a reactionary fundamentalist fanatical biggoted twit.

His passing is a great day for humanity!

..yeah!! :cuba: :lol:

[ComradeRed]

The pope...dead?!? Geeze, he was on his deathbed for 2 weeks, who could have foressen him dying?

Ding dong the witch is dead...

:lol:

[CubaSocialista]

No offense, but rejoicing in this man's death is RIDICULOUS.
First, let's look at the situation as a whole. This has been the least anti-semitic, most populist and PROGRESSIVE Pope in the history of the Church. The Church, though a stain on mankind proving our need for foolish superstition, cannot be tossed off, and if it moves in the progressive direction, it makes coexistence that much easier.
If you were all celebrating Reagan or Thatcher or either Bushs or Cheney's death, I'd agree.
This Pope was against abortion.
This Pope was against birth control. Aids spread because of it, and it resulted in more orphans.
However,
He opposed the embargo on Cuba.
The war on Iraq.
He called Bush at one point, an "idiot."
He supported Nelson Mandela.
He fought antisemitism within the Church.
He brought down the revisionist government in Poland.
The worst part is,
this Pope was one of the best we could've hoped for.
Celebrate his death, but now a far more reactionary one awaits
to take his place.

[SpeCtrE]

we are not rejoicing at the death of someone.. but a something.. the Pope represents the whole religious entity that we stand against.

Otherwise, I don't think we all have personal vendetta against the pope. Why would we be happy to see him dead, had it not been that he is the head of the Church.. which is responsible for the largest number of Blunders that ever were commited


Put personally, I think the late pope was the most liberal minded Pope that ever walked on the face of Earth..

[cam]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 05:59 PM
we are not rejoicing at the death of someone.. but a something.. the Pope represents the whole religious entity that we stand against.

Otherwise, I don't think we all have personal vendetta against the pope. Why would we be happy to see him dead, had it not been that he is the head of the Church.. which is responsible for the largest number of Blunders that ever were commited


Put personally, I think the late pope was the most liberal minded Pope that ever walked on the face of Earth..
I actually believe his predecessor John Paul I was looking like being an ultra-reformist Pope, until his death. He got the job having offended nobody really in the Catholic Church, only when he got put into the position of power, he was starting the wheels of change. His death certainly set back the Catholic Church by decades allowing JPII in.

[h&s]

*Edit*
Misread, and made stupid post - sorry.

[CommieDuK]

i think G.W. Bush will be the next pope :huh:

[il Commie]

I can't see why you are happy when a nice old man is dead. He remids me of my grandfather, and you must know there will come another pope after him.

We have to remember that, although he was responsible for alot of suffeirng because of his campaigns against socialism and birth-control and his support for facist regimes in Latin America, he fought antisemitism in the church and forbid churches to preach that the jews killed Jesus. That made the life of many jewish communities around the world much more easier.

And as for the next pope, let's be politically correct: I want a jewish pope! :rolleyes:

[aztecklaw]

If anyone reads the Bible, there's a clear indication that it expresses support for anarchism.

Bible does not say that a democracy is good. The Roman Empire infused Christian religion into their culture, but never once did it incorporate Christian ideals into the functionality of the government. The Roman Empire had something unique on their hands, they were being threatened by a pacifist movement. So after seeing that doing battle with the opposition the "old school" way by literally sending them to the lions den was actually garnering support and sympathy for the Christians from the general public, they had to come up with a different plan.

So the Empire did something genius, they did an about face and told the very people that they were persecuting that they wanted Christianity to be a part of Roman life. It was the death of one theocracy (Greek Myth) and the birth of another (Christianity), and from there on, politicians began evoking Christian myth to gain support, opposed to Zeus, Apollo and such.

Christianity didn't conquer the Roman Empire. Democracy conquered Christianity at the very foundation. The Christians that died during the relentless persecution by the Roman Empire are extinct. Today's Christian are in clear support of theocracy, oblivious to the fact that the first Christians were anarchist.

Christianity doesn't equal democracy.

[LSD]

First, let's look at the situation as a whole. This has been the least anti-semitic, most populist and PROGRESSIVE Pope in the history of the Church.

Wrong.

In fact he's one of the most regressive popes, certainly in the last 50 years, probably in the last century.

John XXIII, Paul IV... even John Paul I were more progressive that him.


This Pope was against abortion.

This Pope was against birth control. Aids spread because of it, and it resulted in more orphans.

Exactly.

Good riddance!


He fought antisemitism within the Church.

But never acknowledged blame for the Churches role in creating and fostering antisemetism over the centuries.


No offense, but rejoicing in this man's death is RIDICULOUS.

..yeah, but we have so little to celebrate these years. Let us have out fun!

:cuba: :cuba: :cuba: PAAAAAAAAAAAR-TAY!! :cuba: :lol: :cuba:


I can't see why you are happy when a nice old man is dead.

Because he was a bad old man who is responsible for


He remids me of my grandfather

Wow...is your Grandad a reactionary twit too?


Today's Christian are in clear support of theocracy, oblivious to the fact that the first Christians were anarchist.

The first Christians weren't anarchic, they were just anti-Rome. There's very clear indication from Romans, Corinthians, Timothy... that the early Chuch was very hierarchical and not open to having its power threatened. The Bible also supported slavery, oppression, monarcies, classes.. it just really didn't like Rome.

The early Christians were a bunch of malcontents who didn't like that the Emperor wanted them to burn Animals for his made-up God instead of their made-up God.

They were theocrats from the beginning.

[Karl]

Let's hope that the most brutal, conservative, authoritive person gets elected. Only then will people distance themselves from the Church and start asking themselves questions.

Not a good idea, thats like hoping we get a more right wing president here. people will just accept a more conservative pope instead of seeing what he does wrong.
I vote a buddhist for pope.

[che-Rabbi]

I think there has gotta be a black pope. But i must say il commies dream of a jewish pope is more likely to come true because Euro-catholics tend to be very racist. I also keep hearing (on fox mostly so its probably bull shit) about a western pope???HHHmmmmmm????

[workersunity]

ya fuck em, check out my last two post at my blog

[guerillablack]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 05:59 PM
we are not rejoicing at the death of someone.. but a something.. the Pope represents the whole religious entity that we stand against.

Otherwise, I don't think we all have personal vendetta against the pope. Why would we be happy to see him dead, had it not been that he is the head of the Church.. which is responsible for the largest number of Blunders that ever were commited


Put personally, I think the late pope was the most liberal minded Pope that ever walked on the face of Earth..
Thats a foul claim. What the pope represents won't end from his death. There is no point of cheering his death, for the institution is still alive and kicking.

[CubaSocialista]

Originally posted by h&[email protected] 3 2005, 07:12 PM

This Pope was against birth control. Aids spread because of it, and it resulted in more orphans.

So condoms don't stop HIV transmission then?
Are you an idiot?

Teaching abstinence only sex education - and therefore preaching against birth control - does not stop people from having sex. Teaching abstinence only does not inform people of the benefits of condoms that stop transmission of HIV, and therefore increases the spread of AIDS through ignorance.
The idea that the holes in condoms stop them from working is a Vatican lie - the holes are much bigger than even a cell.

As for the claim that all the opponents of theocratic dickheads are 'Godless heathens,' I am proud to be a Godless Heathen - I think a change of custom title is in order :P
PATENTLY, not what I meant. I was expressing the pros and cons of his accomplishments. They're probably the last few accomplishments of this reactionary institution that don't disgust us completely to the core, like the next reactionary and his lackeys will.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by aztecklaw+--> (aztecklaw)An example would be the Christian-Marxist revolution in Nicaragua, sure this may sound like an oxymoron, but it worked.[/b]

No, it did not "work". The Sandinistas allowed pro-U.S. imperialists to run in their elections (on the advice of the Jesuits?) and the U.S. bought their lackeys a win.

Whereupon, the Sandinistas looted everything in sight before leaving office and today share power in a corrupt alliance with Somozistas. The ordinary people in Nicaragua are "face down in a barrel of shit".

Thanks be to God.


Originally posted by The Z-[email protected]
I don't care what you godless hithens think, but I think the Pope was a great man.

This "godless hithen" thinks he was a reactionary fascist bastard!

Suck on that!


il Commie
I can't see why you are happy when a nice old man is dead.

:o :o :o

A "nice old man"?

No, a turd!

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[CubaSocialista]

Good points, props to RedStar.
At least he didn't make complete disrespectful, childish, and profanity ridden rants on the Pope.
I'm neutral on the issue, but I know a more right wing pope is on the way.

[redstar2000]

An excellent statement from the Italian Anarchist Federation...


Italy: The Death of Pope Karol Wojtila

A man is dead. We anarchists love life and we can't dislike that. Especially for the unspeakable cruelty of an agony indecently exhibited on the world by the ecclesiastical hierarchy. Anyway, this day that sees all politicians, from Fausto Bertinotti [PRC] to Alessandra Mussolini [ex-AN, "neo-fascists"], bow down in front of the "throne of Peter" we want to remember the man who was at the head of an absolute monarchy distinguished for centuries in its barbarity. The church that has perpetuated and blessed the massacre of millions and millions of men and women, tortured, burned, killed in the name of the cross isn't the memory of a now disowned past, but found in Wojtila, its deserving descendent.

Karol Wojtila, for 27 years, has made a name for his reactionary choices.

Karol Wojtila has been responsible for the diffusion of AIDS in Africa, where the publicity and the use of condoms could have saved millions of people from the illness, among which were lots of children.

Karol Wojtila gave cover for dictatorships, the torturer and Chilean Assassin Augusto Pinochet, who shook hands during his trip to the tortured south american country, in whose prisons thousands from political opposition have been tormented. Not a word for the victims but only the benediction for the executioner and his family.

Karol Wojtila has dressed in sheep's clothing and that of the wolf according to the interests of the organization of which he was sovereign. The left sing hymns for his pacifism in Iraq, but forget that he sustained and justified the war that bloodied ex-Yugoslavia. With the catholic cross, against muslims and the orthodox, the pope of religious "ecumenicism" made a saint of Stepinac, the cardinal who with the croatian fascists that lined up with Hitler, said they were "sent by God" and blessed the innumerable atrocities perpetrated by the croatian Ustase regime with the complicity of the occupying italian troops.

Karol Wojtila has protected and supported the cardinal Pio Laghi, already a papal apostolic in Argentina at the time of the dictatorship that massacred 30,000 people. Laghi blessed and covered the torturers and the assassins.

Karol Wojtila was the head of a multinational company with far-reaching interests in the whole world and a huge income in a planet where the majority of the population survives on less then two dollars a day.

Karol Wojtila, a "champion of life" that has maintained a ambiguous attitude towards capital punishment, was standard-bearer for a culture of oppression. A culture that would like the humiliation of the women's lives, one that condemned at any cost the birth of babies malformed or destined to famine. A culture that prefers a life of pain to one of joy and health, a culture that criminalized gays, that transformed desire and love into guilt, that defends those who haven't been born and persecutes those that live.

Karol Wojtila has sanctified the spanish priests that line up with arms with the catholic-fascist troops of Franco. These martyred saints wanted to revive the glories of the church of Torquemada and of the Quemaderos, the "collective ovens" where the heretics were cooked at a low simmer.

Just like the anarchists and libertarians of '36 that fought for life and liberty against fascism and the clerical oppression, we, anarchists and libertarians today, even with respect for a dead man, we won't bow, we won't join in the chorus of many, that from the right as well as from the left bow to their knees in front of the funeral of the head of the most ferocious, bloody, and freedom-destroying organization that history can remember. Our fight against religion and the church nourishes itself on the understanding that only the emancipation from religious stupidity and from priests, that in nourishing can allow men and women a full, joyous life, lived in liberty and respect for diversity, in solidarity between equals.

Source...

http://nyc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/...hp#quickcomment (http://nyc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/147122/index.php#quickcomment)
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Well and truly spoken!

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[apathy maybe]

Now for that meteorite to wipe out the Cardinals ...

[h&s]

PATENTLY, not what I meant. I was expressing the pros and cons of his accomplishments. They're probably the last few accomplishments of this reactionary institution that don't disgust us completely to the core, like the next reactionary and his lackeys will.
Sorry, misread the post - I'm an idiot.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 10:48 PM

Let's hope that the most brutal, conservative, authoritive person gets elected. Only then will people distance themselves from the Church and start asking themselves questions.

Not a good idea, thats like hoping we get a more right wing president here. people will just accept a more conservative pope instead of seeing what he does wrong.
I vote a buddhist for pope.
Actually I would want a more rightwinged President. Here in Holland we are having a rightwing trend at the moment, simultaneously I notice that people are becoming increasingly dissatisfied and more open to alternative economic and political models. Atleast with a rightwinger, it's more clear to people who the enemy is. A bourgeoisie president calling himself "socialist" confuses people.

[h&s]

Originally posted by Non-Sectarian Bastard!+Apr 4 2005, 09:33 AM--> (Non-Sectarian Bastard! @ Apr 4 2005, 09:33 AM)
[email protected] 3 2005, 10:48 PM

Let's hope that the most brutal, conservative, authoritive person gets elected. Only then will people distance themselves from the Church and start asking themselves questions.

Not a good idea, thats like hoping we get a more right wing president here. people will just accept a more conservative pope instead of seeing what he does wrong.
I vote a buddhist for pope.
Actually I would want a more rightwinged President. Here in Holland we are having a rightwing trend at the moment, simultaneously I notice that people are becoming increasingly dissatisfied and more open to alternative economic and political models. Atleast with a rightwinger, it's more clear to people who the enemy is. A bourgeoisie president calling himself "socialist" confuses people. [/b]
But how can you support the further oppression of the people that we are trying to liberate? That logic is just stupid - alienating yourself from the needs of the working class - and actually countering them - is stupid.

[Free Spirit]

I vote a buddhist for pope.
A pope is catholic and if Buddhist then not near of being pope. That would be "believing" in God without believing.

[il Commie]

Originally posted by Free [email protected] 16 2005, 07:58 PM

I vote a buddhist for pope.
A pope is catholic and if Buddhist then not near of being pope. That would be "believing" in God without believing.
So you're saying the next pope won't be Jewish? :(

How awfull, I wanted to audition for this role...

[thenonliberator]

Thats a foul claim. What the pope represents won't end from his death. There is no point of cheering his death, for the institution is still alive and kicking


agreed im a catholic by birth (sadly i try not to admit it) but it fucks you up (no offence to anyone who likes being catholic) but all catholisism represents to me personally is capitalism(causing poverty) and nuns and mourning.

has anyone here ever been to mass? or worst of all confession? its all like "your all sinners, its all your fault, if it wern't for jesus you would go to hell"

and dont they listen that jesus was a socialist "no rich man goes to heaven" yet they decide to spend tons of money on pointless stuff while alot of catholics dont have enough food! my grandad giives everything he can to the church! they take it gladly even though he cant afford new shoes- hes stupid for giving it to them but they're worse for taking it

all the nuns ive met are evil *****es


no offence to anyone btw this is just my opinion

[thenonliberator]

QUOTE
I vote a buddhist for pope.


A pope is catholic and if Buddhist then not near of being pope. That would be "believing" in God without believing.


So you're saying the next pope won't be Jewish?

How awfull, I wanted to audition for this role...

id like to be the pope, although seeing as im a girl i think the skirt would suit me better - it really didnt flatter him

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by thenonliberator
all the nuns ive met are evil *****es

You go girl! :D

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[thenonliberator]

You go girl!


dont mind if i do :P