Interesting quote

[ComradeChris]

I was just wondering how one should interpret this quote:


It takes a brave man not to be a hero in the Red Army. - Stalin

Is he implying that cowards are the heroes? Any thoughts?

[rice349]

Is he implying that cowards are the heroes? Any thoughts?

No, what he was saying that it takes more courage to run away from battle (this was during WWII) and face the scorn of the Soviet People, than to die honorably in battle against the Nazi pigs.

[LSD]

well.. I think he was talking less about "scorn" and more about murder.

A Red Army soldier who ran away durring the Great Patriotic War would be shot on sight. Hell, even a soldier who suggested running away.

Don't get me wrong, the Red Army won the Second World War, but it wasn't a nice place to be.

[Forward Union]

Not that it mattered, Stalin had a lot of war veterans killed after the second world war anyway. Part of his pathetic paranoia.

[MiniOswald]

yer he was saying it took more balls to face the soviet guns behind you than the nazi ones in front.

[ComradeChris]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2005, 05:00 PM
yer he was saying it took more balls to face the soviet guns behind you than the nazi ones in front.
I didn't think any good was meant by this quote.

[monkeydust]

Oh and if you got captured you were considered to be odious scum.

Stalin's own son was captured during the War. The Nazis treated him well, unlike most other Soviet POWs. Hitler offered to return him to the USSR, in exchange for a high-ranking German general. Stalin famously answered back "I have no son".

Nice bloke, wasn't he?

[Hiero]

Yeah i can't believe it, maybe Stalin should of offered tea and biscuits to thoose who ran away. Im sure they would of won the war that way.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 01:25 AM
Yeah i can't believe it, maybe Stalin should of offered tea and biscuits to thoose who ran away. Im sure they would of won the war that way.
Funny how when your iconic God is attacked, you hide behind a joke.

[Hiero]

Originally posted by Anarcho Rebel+Apr 3 2005, 09:21 PM--> (Anarcho Rebel @ Apr 3 2005, 09:21 PM)
[email protected] 3 2005, 01:25 AM
Yeah i can't believe it, maybe Stalin should of offered tea and biscuits to thoose who ran away. Im sure they would of won the war that way.
Funny how when your iconic God is attacked, you hide behind a joke. [/b]
It took my awhile to understand this, the god bit through me out.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

While we are talking on his son anyway, it's pretty interesting that none of Stalin's kids liked him. Hell his daughter even run away to the US.

[Hiero]

Hitler offered to return him to the USSR, in exchange for a high-ranking German general. Stalin famously answered back "I have no son".

Nice bloke, wasn't he?

Hold up. So your saying Stalin should use his position of power to get his son back in a uneven deal? His son was drunked, there were better soldiers he could of traded the ranking german general.

Also he didn't say i have no son, in my biographer there is no mention of it. There is mention of Stalin feeling proud to know that his son tried to escape.


While we are talking on his son anyway, it's pretty interesting that none of Stalin's kids liked him. Hell his daughter even run away to the US.

Are you sure? I think Svetlana stayed in the USSR.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Here is a BBC article on it:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/s...000/2801709.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/march/9/newsid_2801000/2801709.stm)

My god, Stalin's second wife commited suicide. Must have been a nice guy. :P

For further research you could google for "Stalin's daughter" or "Svetlana Alliluyeva" or dismiss it all as bourgeoisie propaganda. See whatever fits you.

[ComradeChris]

Hold up. So your saying Stalin should use his position of power to get his son back in a uneven deal? His son was drunked, there were better soldiers he could of traded the ranking german general.

Also he didn't say i have no son, in my biographer there is no mention of it. There is mention of Stalin feeling proud to know that his son tried to escape.

Actually, one of the things he said (I can't disprove the other quote) was upon the trade bargain, "All of them are my sons." On that very line, it makes reference to Stalin being a Czar (through a simile). P. 454 if you're actually going to look it up. The book I've brouught up several times that you have read, yet seem to miss everything I pointed out.

[rice349]

Svetlana didn't go to the US until the 70's i believe, so it really had nothing to do with her liking or disliking of stalin. And secondly, Stalin's son Yakov was quite low in ranking, and they wanted to trade him for a Nazi general, um yeah no. The problem I have with the Western's take on this is that they make it sound like a cold-hearted "devil" of some sort who just threw his son to the concentration camps. I'm sure it was a very difficult decision that none of us have been forced to make; to assume that he felt nothing is completely speculation and unfounded.

[ComradeChris]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 12:15 PM
Svetlana didn't go to the US until the 70's i believe, so it really had nothing to do with her liking or disliking of stalin. And secondly, Stalin's son Yakov was quite low in ranking, and they wanted to trade him for a Nazi general, um yeah no. The problem I have with the Western's take on this is that they make it sound like a cold-hearted "devil" of some sort who just threw his son to the concentration camps. I'm sure it was a very difficult decision that none of us have been forced to make; to assume that he felt nothing is completely speculation and unfounded.
Actually he even insulted his son indirectly while discussing the incident afterwards. Basically saying he was worse than other soldiers anyway; and no where near as wanted as commanders.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 01:09 PM
It took my awhile to understand this, the god bit through me out.
I didn't literally mean that Stalin was your God, but for you to idolise him and the horrors of his rule, its really quite sad.

[monkeydust]

Hold up. So your saying Stalin should use his position of power to get his son back in a uneven deal? His son was drunked, there were better soldiers he could of traded the ranking german general.


I'm not saying he "should" or "shouldn't" have done anything; I'm just saying he was a cold bastard. Whether or not you think that makes him a good leader or not is a different matter altogether.


Also he didn't say i have no son, in my biographer there is no mention of it.

Come on, now. We all know what kind of Stalin biographies guys like you read.


For further research you could google for "Stalin's daughter" or "Svetlana Alliluyeva" or dismiss it all as bourgeoisie propaganda. See whatever fits you.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

The "bourgeois propaganda" line gets me every time - it's such a useful mulitpurpose phrase.

[Super Mario Conspiracy]

Svetlana Alliluyeva

Or just:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svetlana_Alliluyeva

I don't understand how anybody could like Stalin. He himself hated Jews - shared the similar views with Hitler. Even Hitler applaused Stalin for killing his own generals - Hitler reasoned that that is why the Soviets were so successful in the war. Kind of soulmates, don't you think?

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

The "bourgeois propaganda" line gets me every time - it's such a useful mulitpurpose phrase.

The world looks so much more wonderfull when you can ignore all critique.

[Redmau5]

Originally posted by Super Mario [email protected] 3 2005, 08:31 PM
Even Hitler applaused Stalin for killing his own generals
Maybe Hitler applauded him because he significantly weakened the Soviet army with his unbounded paranoia. If he hadn't of purged some of his best generals, then Soviet casualties may have been considerably less.

[Cokane]

In a recent documentary, it was said that Stalin flirted with women by breaking peices of bread and throwing it at them, what a charming man. :lol:

[Redmau5]

Yeah i seen that too, on UKTV history. Stalin was just sitting at the table with his guests and his wife. Next thing he just starts ripping pieces of bread of the loaf and throws them at some woman on the other side of the table. Apparently this was Stalin's weird way of flirting with people. He must have been a smash with the ladies.

People were starving across the Soviet Union and Stalin was hitting women with loaves. What more can ya say ??? :lol:

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by Anarcho [email protected] 2 2005, 08:43 PM
Not that it mattered, Stalin had a lot of war veterans killed after the second world war anyway. Part of his pathetic paranoia.
He tried to have parts of my family killed, enen thought they fought for him with the partisans.

[Hiero]

I didn't literally mean that Stalin was your God, but for you to idolise him and the horrors of his rule, its really quite sad.

Do i? Where excactly?


Basically saying he was worse than other soldiers anyway

His son was drunk.

If Stalin had of swaped the Nazi for his son you would all be crying corruption and Stalin abusing his power.

[Hiero]

Originally posted by Clenched Fist+Apr 4 2005, 09:40 PM--> (Clenched Fist @ Apr 4 2005, 09:40 PM)
Anarcho [email protected] 2 2005, 08:43 PM
Not that it mattered, Stalin had a lot of war veterans killed after the second world war anyway. Part of his pathetic paranoia.
He tried to have parts of my family killed, enen thought they fought for him with the partisans. [/b]
Your family are hippies.

[ComradeChris]

Originally posted by Hiero+Apr 4 2005, 07:24 AM--> (Hiero @ Apr 4 2005, 07:24 AM)
Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 4 2005, 09:40 PM

Anarcho [email protected] 2 2005, 08:43 PM
Not that it mattered, Stalin had a lot of war veterans killed after the second world war anyway. Part of his pathetic paranoia.
He tried to have parts of my family killed, enen thought they fought for him with the partisans.
Your family are hippies. [/b]
I would assume ClenchedFist wasn't lying...since it was against forum policy and he's been around awhile. But nice reply, I like how you handled it ;) .