U.S. Soldiers told...

[redstar2000]

U.S. Soldiers Told to 'Beat the Fuck Out of' Detainees

NEW YORK, NY -- The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is charging that U.S. Army documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act show that the mistreatment of detainees in Iraq was much more widespread than the government has admitted.

The advocacy group also accused the Army of failing to comply with a court order to release the documents and manipulating the media ”to minimize coverage and public access.”

The ACLU said the reason for the delay in delivering the more than 1,200 pages of documents was ”evident in the contents”, which include reports of brutal beatings, ”exercise until exhaustion” and sworn statements that soldiers were told to ”beat the fuck out of” detainees. One file cites evidence that military intelligence personnel in Iraq ”tortured” detainees held in their custody.

More: http://nyc.indymedia.org/feature/display/146997/index.php

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[Matthew The Great]

Someone should find the report saying that 1 in 4 US soldiers are coming back from Iraq with some kind of mental disorder.

I only heard this today.

[Anarchist Freedom]

sigh this is pretty bad.


and they recently approved MDMA for the treatment of PTSD(Post Traumatic Stress Disorder). It will be used in therapy to help with the problems.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Hmm although I'm a fan of MDMA in general and for psychotherapy especially such dependancy from war, in fact creating a false sense of ease and dependancy not for recreational purposes makes me feel for those guys.

[Anarchist Freedom]

Its actually quite a good idea.MDMA is known for is psychotherapy potential but the goverment makes it a schedule 1 substance. :rolleyes:

Its a amazing drug and has alot of ability to do things that where not once thought possible by the patient.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Very true, MDMA is excellent for psychotherapy, there are plenty of people who prescribe it illegally, especially to dying people to get their feelings out.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

I'll do some research on this and post something if I can. Its something I feel rather strongly about.

[Commie Girl]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 11:46 PM

U.S. Soldiers Told to 'Beat the Fuck Out of' Detainees

NEW YORK, NY -- The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is charging that U.S. Army documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act show that the mistreatment of detainees in Iraq was much more widespread than the government has admitted.

The advocacy group also accused the Army of failing to comply with a court order to release the documents and manipulating the media ”to minimize coverage and public access.”

The ACLU said the reason for the delay in delivering the more than 1,200 pages of documents was ”evident in the contents”, which include reports of brutal beatings, ”exercise until exhaustion” and sworn statements that soldiers were told to ”beat the fuck out of” detainees. One file cites evidence that military intelligence personnel in Iraq ”tortured” detainees held in their custody.

More: http://nyc.indymedia.org/feature/display/146997/index.php

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<_< The hypocrisy of the U&#036; is almost staggering, this is one more example of why people in most of the world HATE the U&#036;....sadly, :angry: we are not surprised

[all-too-human]

Originally posted by Pedro Alonso [email protected] 2 2005, 03:26 PM
Its actually quite a good idea.MDMA is known for is psychotherapy potential but the goverment makes it a schedule 1 substance.
MDMA can cause temporary seretonin deficiency, and there are several studies which suggest that it is neurotoxic. It has to do with dopamine uptake in specialized seretonin neurons, apparently it produces - in minute quantities - hydrogen peroxide. Many studies, however, have been discredited as a result of various mishaps, including the use of methamphetamine in animal subjects as opposed to mdma.

I do not approve of the American drug scheduling system, but certain substances must be controlled.

1st source (http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v06n1/06108neu.html)
2nd source (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_health1.shtml)
3rd source, wikipedia, simplest explanation of MDMA neurotoxicity. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMA#Long-term_effects)

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

I know the issues, seretonin can be replaced by 5-Htp anyway (ask any clubber ;) ). I am not for daily use but certainly monthly psychotherapy would be fine, allowing the seretonin to be replaced.

I know neurotoxicity is an issue but no more than most drugs already being administered by medical people.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

At least those getting prescribed it will most likely get a relatively pure dose, unlike recreational MDMA which is often packed with a load of shit that shouldn&#39;t be in it. (Cocaine, ketamine, talcum powder, etc)

[redstar2000]

I find the response to this topic more than a little disturbing; only Commie Girl seemed to understand what I was getting at and respond appropriately.

I do not care if "1 in 4" U.S. mercenaries return from Iraq with "psychological problems" and I care even less what drugs they take in what dosages to "overcome" their "problems".

At the very least, what American mercenaries deserve is the same treatment they so eagerly handed out.

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[all-too-human]

I think that the group structure of the military absolves low ranking induviduals from responsibility to a certain degree. While I don&#39;t condone "beating the fuck" out of prisoners or detainees, the circumstances imposed on soldiers and guards prevent them from taking a humane, or rational course of action. First of all, the group structure of the military promotes a &#39;mob mentality&#39;. Also, insubordination in a war zone is often punishable by execution. The real villains are the officers and members of the command structure who are manipulating soldiers into torturing detainees.

[Commie Girl]

Originally posted by all&#045;too&#045;[email protected] 3 2005, 10:57 AM
I think that the group structure of the military absolves low ranking induviduals from responsibility to a certain degree. While I don&#39;t condone "beating the fuck" out of prisoners or detainees, the circumstances imposed on soldiers and guards prevent them from taking a humane, or rational course of action. First of all, the group structure of the military promotes a &#39;mob mentality&#39;. Also, insubordination in a war zone is often punishable by execution. The real villains are the officers and members of the command structure who are manipulating soldiers into torturing detainees.
:ph34r: Noone cares what happens to these "soldiers" *cough*, they are Paid Assassins and therefore they must expect the worst to be waiting them. It seems that these "Nintendo" soldiers are actually surprised when they start a war and there are deaths and psych problems within their ranks....huh?? Cannon fodder....to use an old expression. The world does not give a shit what happens these U&#036; mercs. Why are we debating which drugs work the best to help these people clear their conscience?

[Anarchist Freedom]

Ummm just soo everyone knows.

MDMA is not neurotoxic. When used responsibly the seretonin loss will barely affect you. Also it will cause little or no damage if you just take the neccesary vitamins and precautions before your roll.

[colombiano]

I do not care if "1 in 4" U.S. mercenaries return from Iraq with "psychological problems" and I care even less what drugs they take in what dosages to "overcome" their "problems".

At the very least, what American mercenaries deserve is the same treatment they so eagerly handed out.

Well Said , Bravo&#33;&#33;