Pope Given Last Rites

[BOZG]

CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/31/pope1/)

VATICAN CITY (CNN) -- Pope John Paul II was given the last rites of the Roman Catholic Church late Thursday night as his health deteriorated, a Vatican source has told CNN.

The pope is suffering from a

[LSD]

This asshole just won't die, will he... :angry:

Well, I know I always prayed that he'd have a long suffering painful death, so maybe there is a God! :lol:

[MiniOswald]

you know all them pictures of the pope and castro shaking hands? you know why that really is?, they've got a bet going, see who can live the longest, whoever survives longest gets all the others possessions, so castro stands to inherit the entire vatican.

[Zombad]

The Popery and Catholic church are a virus on earth, causing millions of deaths throughout history... i say when he dies make him the last, burn the popemobile and close the churchs

If theres a hell i'll see you there!

[Thomas]

it's called the "papacy" isn't it?

[Zombad]

Popery - an offensive term for the practices and rituals of the Roman Catholic Church

<_< But yes, papacy, whatever u&#39;d like ...the points still there

[h&s]

Originally posted by BOZG
C&#39;mon and die you prick
:lol: :lol:
This wanker dying may end up being even worse - most of the priests who have been labelled as possible successors are even more conservative than the current pope on issues like abortion etc.

[Yazman]

C&#39;mon and die you prick

lol BOZG. LYNCH MOB&#33;

[T_SP]

Originally posted by h&s+Apr 1 2005, 01:47 PM--> (h&s @ Apr 1 2005, 01:47 PM)
BOZG
C&#39;mon and die you prick
:lol: :lol:
This wanker dying may end up being even worse - most of the priests who have been labelled as possible successors are even more conservative than the current pope on issues like abortion etc. [/b]
There is, however, talk of there being a black Pope :ph34r: Wonders never cease eh? We&#39;ll probably end up with some 80 year old twat on his last legs though&#33; Or they could not replace him close the fucking lot down and use the money a litlle more wisely&#33; It could happen, shea and monkeys might fly outta my butt :D




:trotski:

[FriedFrog]

The worlds meant to end when there&#39;s a black pope, I think. Some fellas prediction. He also said that two great towers would fall, as well, which kinda happened. Cant remember what his name was, though.

[Tupac-Amaru]

Yo...guys you shouldn&#39;t be so rude to the pope.. :unsure: .i mean...he&#39;s the figure-head for millions of people. Let&#39;s just cut back on all the "fuck the pope" and "die you prick"... personnaly insulting the pope and rejoycing his death wont pay back all the harm that the church has done over the centuries.........so lets just chill aiiiiiit? :)

[viva le revolution]

Originally posted by NoMan,[email protected] 1 2005, 04:27 PM
The worlds meant to end when there&#39;s a black pope, I think. Some fellas prediction. He also said that two great towers would fall, as well, which kinda happened. Cant remember what his name was, though.
That was Noatradamus, my friend. A wanker preying on people&#39;s superstitions

[Intifada]

The worlds meant to end when there&#39;s a black pope, I think. Some fellas prediction. He also said that two great towers would fall, as well, which kinda happened.

Yep.

2003: Demolition of Wembley Stadium&#39;s twin towers.

[che-Rabbi]

Die you prick? You scum bags should be ashamed of yourselves. This Pope has by far been the best In history. Under his rule, the vatican claimed responsability for the death of jesus on behalf of the cathoics and since you guys dont give a rats ass about anything religious, it means that finally , everyone can leave the jews the fuck alone about it. Also the Pope that jean paul the second(i think) predocessed saved jews from execution in the holocaust and still his rep is tarnished beause of you Pope haters. Also, thanks to jean paul 2, theyre are a record number of black cardinals or mass helpers or whatever they&#39;re called. Go pope&#33; Live on&#33; etc.

[Zombad]

Originally posted by che&#045;[email protected] 1 2005, 05:44 PM
Die you prick? You scum bags should be ashamed of yourselves. This Pope has by far been the best In history. Under his rule, the vatican claimed responsability for the death of jesus on behalf of the cathoics and since you guys dont give a rats ass about anything religious, it means that finally , everyone can leave the jews the fuck alone about it. Also the Pope that jean paul the second(i think) predocessed saved jews from execution in the holocaust and still his rep is tarnished beause of you Pope haters. Also, thanks to jean paul 2, theyre are a record number of black cardinals or mass helpers or whatever they&#39;re called. Go pope&#33; Live on&#33; etc.
I have nothing personal with the pope, he uses his position better than most, notably in his role in the solidarity movement in poland bringing down the oppressive "socialist" gov. HOWEVER i don&#39;t agree with catholicism and therefore i don&#39;t believe there should be any position available for the Pope to inhabit. Make him the last. catholicism and previous popes have caused more deaths than they have saved. I don&#39;t care if there are record numbers of black cardinals. The catholic church is a corrupt, capitalist stain on humanity... and don&#39;t get me started on the number of Paedophiles in the catholic church.


"Perhaps one of the most significant and memorable features of John Paul II’s papacy was his battle against “godless” communism. It is likely that he will be known forever as the pope who helped bring about the fall of communism."

from;

http://atheism.about.com/od/popejohnpaulii/a/communism.htm

In respect he didn&#39;t help bring down communism, but the corrupt failings of the socialist system in poland. Perhaps he should be commended for helping in this. But the main reason he is "anti-communist" is because there is no real place for organised religion in a communist society. It implies hierarchy in society.

End the papacy

[SpeCtrE]

Originally posted by che&#045;[email protected] 1 2005, 05:44 PM
Die you prick? You scum bags should be ashamed of yourselves. This Pope has by far been the best In history. Under his rule, the vatican claimed responsability for the death of jesus on behalf of the cathoics and since you guys dont give a rats ass about anything religious, it means that finally , everyone can leave the jews the fuck alone about it. Also the Pope that jean paul the second(i think) predocessed saved jews from execution in the holocaust and still his rep is tarnished beause of you Pope haters. Also, thanks to jean paul 2, theyre are a record number of black cardinals or mass helpers or whatever they&#39;re called. Go pope&#33; Live on&#33; etc.
Scumbags?

That is a thing I haven&#39;t heard in a while.

Che Rabbi, you are obviously in the wrong place. I am sure no one here is pope-phobic, but does it ever occur to you that the pope hasn&#39;t apologised for one thing that matters most ... Like the misguiding of billions and clouding their minds by telling them stupid things like so and so died in the cross for you... he walked over water .... But, since you are one of those with the "clouded" mind... the remark must be lost on you.

Man, come out of the darkness that you live in... and embrace the light, like we all have.

[BOZG]

Sorry, I will have no respect for a reactionary, fanatical anti-communist. Fuck him, I&#39;m enjoying thinking about his suffering. In fact, the only way in that I could have some respect for the Pope was that if tomorrow he announced that he was actually very healthy and that this health scare is a massive April Fools joke. That would be pretty damn funny on his behalf. And to make such a situation even funnier, while he&#39;s announcing this massive joke to the Catholics of the world, he laughs so hard at himself that his heart claps up and he takes a massive heart attack and dies. In front of everyone. Live on TV.

[Tupac-Amaru]

Originally posted by che&#045;[email protected] 1 2005, 05:44 PM
the vatican claimed responsability for the death of jesus
what the hell are you talking about fool? The vatican didnt exist at the time of Christ so how could it claim reponsibility???? Jesus was killed by the Romans at the behest of the Jews.

[SpeCtrE]

Seems me and BOZG got what we wanted after all... the Prick of a pope died 2 minutes ago... BOZG, I wish to buy you a drink...

And all pope haters.. Drinks are on me today, Drink, eat , ye Merry folks..

[Freidenker]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2005, 11:00 PM
you know all them pictures of the pope and castro shaking hands? you know why that really is?, they&#39;ve got a bet going, see who can live the longest, whoever survives longest gets all the others possessions, so castro stands to inherit the entire vatican.
hahahahahahahahaha

Edit: Something I whipped up really quick..
http://saveblacktarget.ath.cx/pictures/pope.jpg

[BOZG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 06:50 PM
Seems me and BOZG got what we wanted after all... the Prick of a pope died 2 minutes ago... BOZG, I wish to buy you a drink...

And all pope haters.. Drinks are on me today, Drink, eat , ye Merry folks..
Still no official statement yet.

[Exploited Class]

Originally posted by BOZG+Apr 1 2005, 12:09 PM--> (BOZG &#064; Apr 1 2005, 12:09 PM)
[email protected] 1 2005, 06:50 PM
Seems me and BOZG got what we wanted after all... the Prick of a pope died 2 minutes ago... BOZG, I wish to buy you a drink...

And all pope haters.. Drinks are on me today, Drink, eat , ye Merry folks..
Still no official statement yet. [/b]
Crap they just released an official statement.


Vatican releases Official Statement on Pope

By VICTOR L. SIMPSON, Associated Press Writer

VATICAN CITY - Pope John Paul II was clinging to life Friday as his condition deteriorated further, and the Vatican said his breathing was shallow and his kidneys were failing after complications from a urinary tract infection. Millions of faithful around the world prayed for the fading life of the pontiff. For a while many believed him to have passed away with rumors. The culprits behind the start of the rumors have revealed themselves to the public.

"The general conditions and cardio-respiratory conditions of the Holy Father have gotten 100% better because of prayer," the Vatican said in a statement. "The clinical picture indicates he is dancing around by God&#39;s will and doing a jig. Actually he has been fine all along and this has all been a big build up to an April&#39;s Fools Day Joke&#33;" The Cardinal Joseph Doogery said. "The Pope, he has a great sense humor and he just did an awesome &#39;Gotcha&#39;, to his faithful. It really doesn&#39;t suprise the Pope that they fell for it considering they fell for the whole God thing to begin with. Guliable people from the start, to say they least."

http://www.randomchaos.com/images/scrapbook/pope.jpg

Above Image of the Pope after playing large played out joke on Catholic members of the church.

[GoAT]

funny.

i am a catholic and personally i hope the next pope is a bit more gangster, like the war mongering pope&#39;s of old. i would like to see the vatican try and make a move for Jerusalem and reclaim the holy land. i would definately sign up to kill in the name of the Lord.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

you know all them pictures of the pope and castro shaking hands? you know why that really is?, they&#39;ve got a bet going, see who can live the longest, whoever survives longest gets all the others possessions, so castro stands to inherit the entire vatican.

Really? :huh:

You have a link?


edit: Hahaha, I&#39;m so easy fooled&#33;&#33; :lol:

[Karl Marx's Camel]

I do not see anything "great" about praising an old man&#39;s death, no matter who it is. It&#39;s pathethic.

He might be reactionary, but at least he opposed the war on Iraq.

[Sabocat]

Hey Pope&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;



See you in HEEEEELLLLLLL&#33; :lol:

[rice349]

I do not see anything "great" about praising an old man&#39;s death, no matter who it is. It&#39;s pathethic.

He might be reactionary, but at least he opposed the war on Iraq.

stop ruining our fun

[BOZG]

He&#39;s not ruining mine.

[LSD]

As one who recieves constant updates on the health of the Vatican by email (not by choice&#33;), I can tell you that the pope is ver much alive :(, but they say that his breathing&#39;s shalow, his pulse&#39;s thready and he may have become comatose&#33; :P

So here&#39;s hoping it won&#39;t be long now&#33;&#33;


You scum bags should be ashamed of yourselves. This Pope has by far been the best In history. Under his rule, the vatican claimed responsability for the death of jesus on behalf of the cathoics and since you guys dont give a rats ass about anything religious, it means that finally , everyone can leave the jews the fuck alone about it.

Oh yeah, I&#39;m sure now all anti-semitism will end. Two thousand years of prejeduce will vanish because of a half-hearted statement that didn&#39;t even adress the Vaticans complicity in anti-semetism over the centuries.


Also the Pope that jean paul the second(i think) predocessed saved jews from execution in the holocaust and still his rep is tarnished beause of you Pope haters.

..or maybe his "rep" was tarnished by the concordat he signed with Hitler, or the treaty he signed with the Nazis, or maybe it was helping war criminals escape, or maybe it was permitting anti-Jewish measures so long as the "church" was left along...


He might be reactionary, but at least he opposed the war on Iraq.

So did Putin, he&#39;s still a reactionary twit.


I do not see anything "great" about praising an old man&#39;s death, no matter who it is. It&#39;s pathethic.

..yeah...but its fun&#33;

..oh.. and he&#39;s a terrible person. Don&#39;t "sanctity of life" on me. There are many "old" people who I would like to see kick the bucket&#33; Just because someone&#39;s aged doesn&#39;t mean we have to respect them.


This Pope has by far been the best In history.

Actually he&#39;s one of the most conservative. He&#39;s a radical fundamentalist fanatic. Who needs him&#33;

DIE DIE DIE :angry:

[Phalanx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 07:45 PM
funny.

i am a catholic and personally i hope the next pope is a bit more gangster, like the war mongering pope&#39;s of old. i would like to see the vatican try and make a move for Jerusalem and reclaim the holy land. i would definately sign up to kill in the name of the Lord.
Mind if i see you on the opposite side?

[GoAT]

not at all. its just business, nothin&#39; personal. but back to pope john paul II, you have to give the padre credit for forgiving the guy who put a couple of bullets in him. i respect that.

[LSD]

Though I am not Catholic, I do rever the pope. Even though he was conservative, he was more liberal than many other popes through history.

Isn&#39;t that like being less racist than Hitler? It doesn&#39;t really matter &#39;cause you&#39;re still racist&#33;


He has also given many people hope.

So did Hitler.


Pope John Paul II suffered through Nazi Poland and USSR occupied Poland and gave the Polish people hope when time worsened.

Hitler suffered through the first World War, occupied Germany and gave the German people hope when time worsened.


I certainly hope that he passes in the most comforting of manners.

That&#39;s interesting because I hope he dies very painfully, but more importantly soon&#33;

..and keeping up with this Hitler analogy I&#39;ve been working, I would point out that John-Paul never acknowledged the complicity of the Vatican durring the Holocaust. Nor did he ever move away from the sexism, racism, heterosexism, and prejeduce at the heart of fundamental Catholicism.

The Pope is a fanatic and a fundamentalist and a prick.

Good Riddance&#33;

[Cokane]

Lysergic you seem very anxious to see the who the Pope will be, you have a bet on it? Some people act like this is the end of the Papacy, but, guess what, it&#39;s not. And now we&#39;re all going to see the Church at it&#39;s best, never off the fucking T.V, the soap opera of the ballots, the smoke signals and the drama of seeing who it actually is, so be prepared for Catholic T.V 24/7. <_<

[bed_of_nails]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/a...n_re_eu/pope_64 (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050402/ap_on_re_eu/pope_64)

Vatican: Pope John Paul II Is Near Death

39 minutes ago Europe - AP


By VICTOR L. SIMPSON, Associated Press Writer

VATICAN CITY - Pope John Paul II was near death Saturday, his breathing shallow and his heart and kidneys failing, the Vatican said. Millions of faithful around the world knelt, crawled on their knees, bowed their heads and lit candles to pray for the 84-year-old pontiff.

"This evening or this night, Christ opens the door to the pope," Angelo Comastri, the pope&#39;s vicar general for Vatican City, told a crowd at St. Peter&#39;s Square, where up to 70,000 people prayed and stood vigil in the chilly night.


Wrapping themselves in blankets, many tearfully gazed at John Paul&#39;s third-floor windows, where the lights remained on early Saturday in the pope&#39;s studio and his secretary&#39;s room. The papal bedroom was not lit.


The Vatican said Friday morning that John Paul was in "very grave" condition after suffering blood poisoning from a urinary tract infection the previous night, but that he was "fully conscious and extraordinarily serene." The pope was being treated by the Vatican medical team and declined to be hospitalized.


By Friday night, the pope&#39;s condition had worsened further, and he was suffering from kidney failure and shortness of breath but had not lost consciousness as of 9:30 p.m., the Vatican said.


The pope "is on the verge of death," Cardinal Javier Lozano Barragan, head of the Vatican&#39;s health care office, told the Mexican television network Televisa. "I talked to the doctors and they told me there is no more hope."


As word of his condition spread across the globe, special Masses celebrated the pope for transforming the Roman Catholic Church during his 26-year papacy and for his example in fearlessly confronting death.


In Wadowice, Poland, people left school and work early and headed to church to pray for their native son.


"I want him to hold on, but it is all in God&#39;s hands now," said 64-year-old Elzbieta Galuszko at the church where the pope was baptized. "We can only pray for him so he can pull through these difficult moments."


In the Philippines, tears streamed down the face of Linda Nicol as she and her husband asked God to grant John Paul "a longer life."


At the Church of the Assumption in Lagos, sub-Saharan Africa&#39;s most populous city of over 13 million, about 200 Nigerians in Western clothes and bright traditional African robes sat on wooden benches, offering prayers for the pope at a midday Mass.


In Washington, Cardinal Theodore McCarrick said he had heard from Rome that the pope was "sinking." McCarrick said he prayed that God will "take him peacefully."


The White House said President Bush and his wife were praying for the pope and that the world&#39;s concern was "a testimony to his greatness."


Karol Wojtyla became a priest in 1946, just as the Iron Curtain descended across Europe, and the inspiration he provided as Pope John Paul II helped to tear it down.


"Fifty percent of the collapse of communism is his doing," Lech Walesa, founder of the Solidarity movement that toppled communism in Poland in 1989-90, told The Associated Press on Friday. Without the pope&#39;s leadership, "communism would have fallen, but much later and in a bloody way," he said.


By afternoon in Rome, a steady stream of pilgrims jammed the Via della Conciliazione, the main avenue leading to St. Peter&#39;s. Some carried candles, while others held rosaries. Some looked through binoculars or camera lenses at the window of John Paul&#39;s apartment.


"We are near to him in prayer so that he can go to heaven, welcomed by the Lord and the other saints," said Rossella Longo, a young woman distributing rosaries to the crowd.





Tripp McLaughlin, a 20-year-old American in Rome, said "it would be a blessing if he passed on."

"You see video of him when he became pope, he was so alive, so excited to be here. Now to see him break down is just really sad," McLaughlin said.

Among those at the square in Friday morning was Rome&#39;s chief rabbi, Riccardo Di Segni, who said he came "to pray here in the piazza as a sign of sharing in the grief of our brothers for their concerns and as a sign of warmth for this pope and for all that he has done."

During the morning, John Paul had participated in Mass and received some top aides at his bedside, Vatican spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said.

Cardinal Marcio Francesco Pompedda, a high-ranking Vatican administrator, visited the pope and said he opened his eyes and smiled.

"I understood he recognized me. It was a wonderful smile — I&#39;ll remember it forever. It was a benevolent smile — a father-like smile," Pompedda told RAI television. "I also noticed that he wanted to tell me something but he could not. ... But what impressed me very much was his expression of serenity."

Hospitalized twice last month after breathing crises, and fitted with a breathing tube and a feeding tube, John Paul has become a picture of suffering. His papacy has been marked by its call to value the aged and to respect the sick, subjects the pope has turned to as he battles Parkinson&#39;s disease and crippling knee and hip ailments.

It is not clear who would be empowered to make medical decisions for an unconscious pope. The Vatican has declined to say whether John Paul has left written instructions.

John Paul&#39;s health declined sharply Thursday when he developed a high fever brought on by the infection. The pope suffered septic shock and heart problems during treatment for the infection, the Vatican said.

Septic shock involves both bacteria in the blood and a consequent over-relaxing of the blood vessels. The vessels, which are normally narrow and taut, get floppy in reaction to the bacteria and can&#39;t sustain any pressure. That loss of blood pressure is catastrophic, making the heart work hard to compensate for the collapse.

Even the fittest patients need special care and medicine to survive.

"The chances of an elderly person in this condition with septic shock surviving 24 to 48 hours are slim — about 10-20 percent, but that would be in an intensive care unit with very aggressive treatment," said Dr. Gianni Angelini, a professor of cardiac surgery at Bristol University in England.

Dr. Peter Salgo, associate director of the intensive care unit at New York Presbyterian/Columbia University Medical Center, said the pope&#39;s shallow breathing "is totally consistent with severe failure of the blood vessels to provide blood to all the key organs. Eventually you run out of reserve."

On Friday morning, John Paul asked aides to read him the biblical passage describing the 14 stations of the Way of the Cross, the path that Christ took to his Crucifixion and burial, Navarro-Valls told reporters. The pope followed attentively and made the sign of the cross, he said.

John Paul also asked that scripture of the so-called "Third Hour" be read to him. The passage is significant because according to tradition, Christ died at three o&#39;clock in the afternoon.

"This is surely an image I have never seen in these 26 years," the usually unflappable Navarro-Valls said.

Choking up, he walked out of the room.

[Brennus]

The pope was and is an instrument of the capitalists to spread discontent among socialist countries; notably Poland and Nicaragua.

[KrazyRabidSheep]

Don&#39;t any of you realize when the pope dies another is going to take his place?

I promise you, the next one is going to be as bad as this one.


funny.

i am a catholic and personally i hope the next pope is a bit more gangster, like the war mongering pope&#39;s of old. i would like to see the vatican try and make a move for Jerusalem and reclaim the holy land. i would definately sign up to kill in the name of the Lord.
You, sir, are sick, and have the mind of a murderer.
If (against all trend and logic) this does happen, I hope there IS a paradise after death, because you&#39;ll be rotting in HELL with Alexius I (Byzantine), Bernard of Clairvaux (France), Frederick Barbarossa (Holy Roman), Geroge II (America), Gregory VIII (Papacy), Henry II (England), Innocent III (Papacy), Philip II (France), Richard I (England), Urban II (Papacy), and every other slaughtering war-monger.

On the march to HEAVEN, you have forgotten about your fellow man on EARTH, you&#39;ll stumble past PURGATORY, and fall into the abysmal depths of HELL.

[LSD]

Lysergic you seem very anxious to see the who the Pope will be, you have a bet on it?

Yeah, I&#39;ve got 50 riding on the next guy being Catholic. What do you think?


ome people act like this is the end of the Papacy, but, guess what, it&#39;s not.

Don&#39;t any of you realize when the pope dies another is going to take his place?

I promise you, the next one is going to be as bad as this one.

So what? Doesn&#39;t mean that this one isn&#39;t a sack of shit.

Yeah, we all know that the papacy will outlive John-Paul, but let us at least enjoy the knowledge that this hypocritical reactionary fanatical bag &#39;a sheep shit is gonna kick it.


You, sir, are sick, and have the mind of a murderer.

krazyrabidsheep, relax dude. The guy&#39;s joking&#33;

[red_che]

Well, he must die now&#33;

[h&s]

You know I find it really funny that this guy has spent his whole life devoted to &#39;God&#39; and &#39;Jesus&#39;, and has suffered greatly for it, yet it has got him nowhere&#33;
I wish that there was just a few minutes of afterlife so that when the Pope dies he sees no heaven and thinks &#39;Shit&#33; I&#39;ve just wasted my entire life&#33;&#39;
I would pay to see that... :P

[BigMik]

Originally posted by h&[email protected] 2 2005, 08:52 AM
You know I find it really funny that this guy has spent his whole life devoted to &#39;God&#39; and &#39;Jesus&#39;, and has suffered greatly for it, yet it has got him nowhere&#33;
I wish that there was just a few minutes of afterlife so that when the Pope dies he sees no heaven and thinks &#39;Shit&#33; I&#39;ve just wasted my entire life&#33;&#39;
I would pay to see that... :P
Yes, selflessness and humility don&#39;t mean anything.

You disrespectful twat.

[rice349]

You disrespectful twat.

Why would anybody respect a grown-ass man who submits to an abstract idea with the likes of a god? What&#39;s to respect about anybody who embraces religion?

[BigMik]

Well if you love good ol&#39; Josef so much why don&#39;t you study what the Pope did for a bit? I guess killing people and having people assasinated to stay in power is waaaaaaaaaay more admiriable.

[rice349]

Well if you love good ol&#39; Josef so much why don&#39;t you study what the Pope did for a bit? I guess killing people and having people assasinated to stay in power is waaaaaaaaaay more admiriable.

yes, i agree it is.

[BigMik]

"activism, communism, music, protesting, demonstrating, public speaking, writing, rallying&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;"


You sound like a grade A sterotypical liberal college kid.

Heh..

[rice349]

You sound like a grade A sterotypical liberal college kid.

Heh..

Hardly. I hate liberals. Secondly, I&#39;m here as a transfer student from Georgia (the nation not the United State retard). And unlike most Americans I had to work to get here.

[BigMik]

"Death solves all problems -- no man, no problem"

Only if I met ya ;)

[Karl Marx's Camel]

So did Putin, he&#39;s still a reactionary twit.


Yes, but then again, Russia does have a revolutionary potential, the Vatican does not. It&#39;s just a waste of life. A waste of time.

If, for example, King Gyanendra died, believe me, I would be happy, but mocking a guy who is about to die despite the fact that there is no point of it, except that you disagree with his policies and faith, is foolish, in my opinion. Another fool is going to replace him. You can&#39;t change that bad circle without class war.

Believe me, if the people of Vatican was revolutionary-minded, and wanted a left-leaning society, then I would be the happiest man on earth at this moment. But that&#39;s not the case.


Conservatives, and even liberals would do the same thing as you do if Castro was about to die. The whole "HAHA the pope is gonna die&#33;&#33;1 omg lolz" is just wasteful and not really worthwhile.

Would you laugh and piss on the grave of a dear family member, if you found out that this person was actually a Christian Conservative?

How would you feel if your "comrades" would dig up the body and place it on a stake, with the poster "I AM REACTIONARY"?


Despite all the fuzz about him, he is in fact a human being, like everyone else.



You know I find it really funny that this guy has spent his whole life devoted to &#39;God&#39; and &#39;Jesus&#39;, and has suffered greatly for it, yet it has got him nowhere&#33;
I wish that there was just a few minutes of afterlife so that when the Pope dies he sees no heaven and thinks &#39;Shit&#33; I&#39;ve just wasted my entire life&#33;&#39;
I would pay to see that... :P

That would have been fun :D

[Connolly]

These are dismal times for naive Christians. The picture of millions of people travelling to their local parish to pray that Pope John Paul 2 recovers or at least has an easy death, absolutely sickens me. As if this man is Jesus on earth or some sort of holy Angel. The simple fact that his name is linked to the Vatican corporation should spring some second thoughts to the sane. It is easy for those praying in the comfort of western civilisation to hail him as a great man, but try say the same if you are a poor African woman, unable to use contraceptives in fear that you may not go to "heaven" because this "Holy Man" dictates so. Why I wonder, does this evil swine disagree with population control? Even though millions die due to AIDs, that are infact preventable. Anyone foolish to believe it is because he is a "devout" Christian following the bible word by word should have their head examined. Without an exhaustive analysis of the situation, the answer speaks for itself, it is to counteract the huge expansion of Islam across North Africa and the Middle East most namely Libya, Syria, Saudia Arabia, Oman, Pakistan and Afghanistan to name a few, all with a population expansion of over 40% between 1990 and 2000. The old Vatican stronghold of Europe, once the heart of Christiandom and wealth, now just a money hook, has a popuation growth of minus to 5% between 1990 and 2000. Even South America with all its poverty does not come close to the population expansion of Islam. Good intentions my fucking arse, religious power struggle most notably YES.

But his dictation about contraceptives should not be the weight of my argument against this evil man and the corrupt organisation that he speaks for.

Isnt it thought provoking how this bunch of elites, John being the surface leader, who live a life of luxury, wealth, mansions, Mercedes....Power&#33;&#33; tell and dictate to those uneducated enough to know any better, how to live their life day by day -- especially those living in poverty in which these elitists have no experience. One glimpse of John gives away the power seeking hypocritical man that he is, the solid gold cross around his neck, if sold at auction could probably fetch enough to feed a nation. Not to mention all the priceless paintings, sculptures, gold pieces and other brick a brack hoarded in the churches of the Vatican that the absolutists got their hands on over the years, which could, if sold, feed a starving world and remove poverty in all corners of the earth. Thats if this Oh Holy, Good man and his colleagues ever gave a shit.Also, dont forget the money making Banks of the Vatican, of which it is a holy sin to lend to another man money, and charge interest on it. You wouldnt expect such crimes from a politician, never mind the closest man to GOD&#33;&#33;

What good has this man ever done that hasnt been out gunned by the evils and atrocities committed by him, including starvation, murders, the spreading of AIDs and hoarding of vast sums of wealth and riches? You will find such a question hard to answer, if not impossible. And if you do finally find an answer, think of Hitler. Hitler did a lot of good, bringing Germany from its knees to become infrastructurally and economically free from the needs of France and Britain. Even today he is thought of by a select few, hidden and open, to be a good man. But his good was out performed by his evil 1000000 to 1. Also I should mention the Vaticans whole hearted support for Hitler, due to his extermination of the Jews. Again another example of a religious power struggle.

But why stick to the present, why not remember the tens of millions, if not more, who have died not just because of the Vatican, but because of religion as a whole. If there was a God that loved us, would he really have wanted the world divided into religious cults fighting amongst themselves, with the lower classes fighting for the power of the monarchs and Popes? Could this devine God of future and past not have forseen such acts of human nature, of which he designed? My point exactly. For a future world united, free from the chains of the rulers and popes, free from religious myths and illusions, free from the laws property and personal. The founders of religious philosophy, have clearly failed in their attempt to unite the world in peace and harmony with their Gods and commandments. Be rational, Break free from the herd of sheep, help put religion to rest once and for all, it has failed past generations, it has failed us and it will, if not stopped, fail our future generations.

And If you have taken in anything that I have wrote, which I hope, dont remember this evil bastard as a force for good, but one driven by power in a conquest for more riches at the expense of the poor and lower classes. If you are a God lover, then pray that this man has a slow and painfull death, which even how good that would be, will not put food in the stomach of the children deprived of food as a direct result of his illusions and dictates.

[Ell Carino]

The Catholic Church is a cancer to the Earth and Humanity itself. God is a spiritual bond, not a religion. And Jesus was a Pagan, plus Moses was the murderer, not the Egyptians.

I don&#39;t really indulge in the news of the Pope... but fuck the Vatican.

[BOZG]

Originally posted by Ell [email protected] 2 2005, 02:16 PM
The Catholic Church is a cancer to the Earth and Humanity itself. God is a spiritual bond, not a religion. And Jesus was a Pagan, plus Moses was the murderer, not the Egyptians.

I don&#39;t really indulge in the news of the Pope... but fuck the Vatican.
Someone&#39;s been listening to Immortal Technique.

[Ell Carino]

Originally posted by BOZG+Apr 2 2005, 02:32 PM--> (BOZG @ Apr 2 2005, 02:32 PM)
Ell [email protected] 2 2005, 02:16 PM
The Catholic Church is a cancer to the Earth and Humanity itself. God is a spiritual bond, not a religion. And Jesus was a Pagan, plus Moses was the murderer, not the Egyptians.

I don&#39;t really indulge in the news of the Pope... but fuck the Vatican.
Someone&#39;s been listening to Immortal Technique. [/b]
Yes, but i had that conclusion before i listened to IT, he just sums it up well.

And about Jesus (Yeshua) being a Pagan, that was not from IT.

[Thomas]

Ras Kass more like ;)

[BOZG]

I meant the "God is a spiritual bond, not a religion" part.

[SpeCtrE]

The offer still stands when he Dies BOZG...

I guess I got carried away because someone told me that and it was april the fool...

[Thomas]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2005, 04:19 PM
I meant the "God is a spiritual bond, not a religion" part.
I was referring to the "Yeshua Ben yosef" part.

[LSD]

The Pope is dead.

[Redmau5]

On billion catholics in the world ? You keep this anti-religion stance up you&#39;re only going to alienate potential supporters. A person&#39;s religious beliefs should be personal and should not affect their political outlook.

[Cokane]

Not only that, but their numbers are growing again, in 2004 there were 9.5 million more Catholics, might not be much in the greater population, but it shows that people are still turning to Catholicism, or else their just breeding like Rabbits.

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by NoMan,[email protected] 1 2005, 04:27 PM
The worlds meant to end when there&#39;s a black pope, I think. Some fellas prediction. He also said that two great towers would fall, as well, which kinda happened. Cant remember what his name was, though.
Notradamas, supposedly we&#39;re just two popes away from apocalypse. :o

[bolshevik butcher]

The pope while e might be a homophobic sexist bastard, did oppose the war in iraq, and did act against poverty. On the tother hand he helped spread aids <_< . But stalin&#39;s way worse,t he poped ididn&#39;t kill millions of people, and what&#39;s admirable about killing millions of people?

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 03:04 PM
On billion catholics in the world ? You keep this anti-religion stance up you&#39;re only going to alienate potential supporters. A person&#39;s religious beliefs should be personal and should not affect their political outlook.
I agree, why can&#39;t we welcome religous comerades.

[Cokane]

Nostradamus is irrelevant, it always seems that anything he predicts only gets talked about after they happen, like the Twin Towers, when people twisted his words to come up with some bullshit. If Nostradamus was ever right, the world would have ended 10 times already&#33; <_<

[Redmau5]

Atheism is just as ignorant as religious fundamentalism. Just dismissing the possiblity of a God because it seems "irrational". Irrational in what terms ? In terms of the human mind and human knowledge ? Look outside the box.

As Clenched Fist pointed out, we should welcome religious comrades. I myself believe in God, although i don&#39;t follow any particular church. I know the Catholic Church is quite conservative, but you have to remember there is a more socialist side as well, such as Liberation Theology in South America.

As long as people continue to portray Socialism as strictly atheist, we will continue to lose potential support.

[Connolly]

Atheism is just as ignorant as religious fundamentalism. Just dismissing the possiblity of a God because it seems "irrational".

I agree with what you say. I will not declare if there is a god or not as it is impossible for humans to really know.
But, by giving your support to a pope or religion you are in fact giving them power, and just take a look were that got humanity in the past. Millions dead through Wars, Aids and witch hunts. The irrational part of it is that these billions who support religion have no way of proving it to be true. Each religion, be it Hindu or Islam has its books and scriptures, each declaring they are right, each with their unstable evidence, each with their billions of sheep who go without questioning even for a moment what they are doing. This is the irrationality of it all.
If you are brought up from a young child and brainwashed into a certain idea, it will be very hard for you to let it go when mature. This is what religion uses as its tool. Refined over the years it has become very efficient, using rules such as Baptisms and laws against contraceptives to assimilate members for life.
But, even with all its refining, the holes are starting to appear. Remembering that everything more or less goes through phases, religion in its current form is losing its influence as science and society changes. It will in time be brought down on its knees as its own conservative laws and rules fail to adapt to the society it imposes on. Look at Europe for example, fewer going to mass, fewer going to apply for priesthood and fewer following the laws of religion. This is things changing&#33;&#33;&#33; Religion will soon become irrelevant to most modern civilised peoples. Never mind the third world were religion is booming, this is because their society has not developed as much as Europe and the west yet. That would serve as an example of the conditions needed for religion to function and keep support. But you talk of a socialist/communist society. Would such a society be more advanced than that of the third world and the current west? yes. Religion has no hope for the future&#33;&#33;&#33;
The world and society would be better off without it&#33;&#33;

[Cokane]

Originally posted by The [email protected] 3 2005, 07:34 PM
But, by giving your support to a pope or religion you are in fact giving them power, and just take a look were that got humanity in the past. Millions dead through Wars, Aids and witch hunts.
Like when people gave their support to Communism in Russia? Were they wrong? Should it never have been given a chance?

Millions dead through wars, disease and witch-hunts&#33;

[Connolly]

But, by giving your support to a pope or religion you are in fact giving them power, and just take a look were that got humanity in the past. Millions dead through Wars, Aids and witch hunts.


Like when people gave their support to Communism in Russia? Were they wrong? Should it never have been given a chance?



Yes people can and do be led wrongly by political parties. But much of the failure in the SU was due to how the leadership was organized. I believe the leadership and organization of future communist parties should be highly reformed and learn from the mistakes of the past if they truly want good that is. The masses are really like a flock of sheep, it depends on the shephard which way the flock will go. If you are led by someone like Hitler then you would most likly end up thinking you are part of a superior race. Marxism is based on rationality and scientific principle, the vatican and other organisations like them are based on leading the masses through illusion. Marxism should be given a chance as i have already said, it is based on rationality.


Millions dead through wars, disease and witch-hunts&#33;

Please, if you are going to quote me quote me with accuracy.
war in refering to the various crusades and other conflicts due to religion
Aids refering to John pauls stance on contraceptives
and witch hunts, well that speaks for itself

[Cokane]

Wars referring to the invasion of Finland, Afghanistan, and the Assault on Germany,
Disease refering to the huge number of deaths from disease and starvation when Stalin began collectivisation, and witch-hunts when he sent millions to the gulag for being anti-revolutionary, that speaks for itself too.


But you are quite right when you blame bad leadership for the failings of the Soviet Union, but thats what religion has, bad leadership.

[Connolly]

If you want to go into a childish argument about who killed most, then sure&#33;

Capitalism, using religion for the pacification of the masses

= 1700000average caused by malnutrition and starvation * the last 50 years
+ miilions due to aids which religion helped create
+ bla bla bla

I take it then you are not marxist, even though your avatar resembles the hammer and sickle?

Dont try get me to defend the actions of the SU. It was by means no perfect socialist system. Its leadership corrupted, no longer following by marxism.
It was premature.

But to stick with the point&#33;&#33;

It points out the contradiction of religion. When it was created, there was more or less no problem with overpopulation. But now, to follow the translation of the bible by the Vatican and other religions, contraceptives are banned. If following by gods rules, of not to kill another man and not to use contraceptives, civilisation would eventually lead to the death of billions through starvation and overpopulation.
would it not.

[Cokane]

Over popualtation? You&#39;re blaming the Catholic Church for over-popualtion? lmao

Remember most of the population of the world are asian, where the Catholic Church has no real say (few exceptions like the phillipines). What would you have us do? Start exterminating new born babies to keep the population down? Studies show (may not be true but they are all we have at the minute) that the population will eventually stop growing, and remain almost constant at 12 billion, if I can find it i will post a link. And starvation is not new, it goes back as far as humans, are we overpopulated now seeing as Africa is starving? No, this is a result of capitalism.

I worry a lot more about global warming than overpopulation, the fact is Religion is not without it&#39;s flaws, but everything has flaws, the Church is not perfect, but nothing is, but people should still be able to give them their support, to deny them the right is wrong, and a good example of what happens when people are denied the Church lies in Poland, after 40 years of suppression, the Church has record numbers in Poland, so taking it away only comes back to haunt you.

[LSD]

Atheism is just as ignorant as religious fundamentalism. Just dismissing the possiblity of a God because it seems "irrational". Irrational in what terms ?

In terms of logic.

If there is no evidence for a thing, and logically no need for that thing, our default assumption must be that thing does not exist.


In terms of the human mind and human knowledge ?

That&#39;s all we have to work with.

Supernaturalists are always saying we have to go "beyon" reason and logic, but once we start ignoring the only tools we have, we are left with nothing.

By your "out of the box" principle, who&#39;s to say that I&#39;m not God, or God isn&#39;t a giant Robot that lives under the Thames?


Over popualtation? You&#39;re blaming the Catholic Church for over-popualtion? lmao

It certainly has contributed. It&#39;s not the exclusive cause, but it definitely hasn&#39;t helped&#33;


What would you have us do? Start exterminating new born babies to keep the population down?

How about we introduce contraception&#33; Not only will it help with overpopulation, but it will reduce the spread of STDs (read: AIDS)&#33; The Pope (and the Church) have declared the use of contraception blasphemy.

That&#39;s why the Church is to blame.

[Connolly]

Over popualtation? You&#39;re blaming the Catholic Church for over-popualtion? lmao

No&#33; Im pointing out the lack of rationality amongst most religions with the vatican as an example.

As i have said above, the banning of contraceptives is clearly a way of assimilating new members into religion. One which I assume has been taken up by most major religions, if not a similar method. Unless you deny religious organisations are constantly in a power struggle with one another then you would agree with my observations.

Im not blaming any religion for overpopulation. It is human nature, our plotted course of constant reproduction, until proven otherwise. What I was trying to say was, that religion would like to have us think, that by following their laws and rules supposedly sent from God, that humanity would live forever in peace and harmony. But by banning population control such as the killing of another man and contraceptives, their so called God rules just wouldnt work. It would lead to overpopulation and the suffering of billions. I am pointing out the irrationality of Religion&#33;&#33;&#33;


What would you have us do? Start exterminating new born babies to keep the population down?

Allowing the third world to use contraceptives would be a start. Instead of misleading the masses through illusions and failed philosophies for the sake of power.


Studies show (may not be true but they are all we have at the minute) that the population will eventually stop growing, and remain almost constant at 12 billion, if I can find it i will post a link.

Well, unless humanity somehow stoppes having the desire for pleasure (sex) and to fulfill its natural role to reproduce as a whole, then i doubt it. Unless, contraceptives will be allowed, which, would go against the rules of most religions, resulting in them retracting their religious laws and in doing so going against gods law and proving religions utopian paradise according to Gods law wrong and unnatural.


And starvation is not new, it goes back as far as humans, are we overpopulated now seeing as Africa is starving?

We will in time be overpopulated unless the religions remove their restrictive laws. Or communism comes about, removing the barrier of religion and allowing contraceptives to all.


suppression, the Church has record numbers in Poland, so taking it away only comes back to haunt you.

Yeh, like a young black woman unable to use contraceptives in fear of not following gods law at risk of getting aids, talk about suppression.
Not to mention all the other restrictions.

[bolshevik butcher]

A lot fo people say marxism is irrational, i think there is a worrrying amount of anti-religous sentiment on this site, I don&#39;t think that it is importan, it does not matter if someone is religous, it matter weather they are progressive.

[Redmau5]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 3 2005, 09:57 PM
A lot fo people say marxism is irrational, i think there is a worrrying amount of anti-religous sentiment on this site, I don&#39;t think that it is importan, it does not matter if someone is religous, it matter weather they are progressive.
Agreed.

[Connolly]

A lot fo people say marxism is irrational, i think there is a worrrying amount of anti-religous sentiment on this site, I don&#39;t think that it is importan, it does not matter if someone is religous, it matter weather they are progressive

Anything that is clearly dividing and misleading the working class should be done away with. To move towards the future we need to drop the conservative hand that holds us back.

Well, if people say Marxism is irrational then tell them to come to this forum and debate.

[che-Rabbi]

I&#39;m sorry guys, i didnt mean to call you scumbags and ruin your fun its just that, this pope was not half bad. So what if hes a Christian, im sure hes not the first. Oh and im sorry, i made a mistake in my last post, he forbid the preaching of anti-semitism in catholic churchs. But could we stettle down a little, im sure that the Catholic members dont appreciate anything said here and i dont see why you have to hate every religion (excet Buddism..). Christianity preaches nothing but love(with a dash of arrogance but oh well) So much for perfectly equal society that you wish to create. Such hypocracy is killing our cause&#33;

[GoAT]

i&#39;m a catholic and while i&#39;m not at all offended by what people say here, I would just like to point out that christ was a working-class carpenter.

[Cokane]

Originally posted by Lysergic Acid [email protected] 3 2005, 09:32 PM
How about we introduce contraception&#33; Not only will it help with overpopulation, but it will reduce the spread of STDs (read: AIDS)&#33; The Pope (and the Church) have declared the use of contraception blasphemy.

That&#39;s why the Church is to blame.
Yet you just said that the Church has &#39;&#39;contributed&#39;&#39; to the problem, not the sole cause, so why is it only the Church and the Pope to blame? They are blamed for everything, people blindly cry about AIDS and poverty blaming it all on the Church, Lysergic you are quite right when you say the are contributers, but others are just blatantly ignorant Anti-Catholics, who don&#39;t use the same logic as you do, and put it all down to the Church.

[Connolly]

QUOTE (Lysergic Acid Diethylamide @ Apr 3 2005, 09:32 PM)
How about we introduce contraception&#33; Not only will it help with overpopulation, but it will reduce the spread of STDs (read: AIDS)&#33; The Pope (and the Church) have declared the use of contraception blasphemy.
That&#39;s why the Church is to blame.


Yet you just said that the Church has &#39;&#39;contributed&#39;&#39; to the problem, not the sole cause, so why is it only the Church and the Pope to blame? They are blamed for everything, people blindly cry about AIDS and poverty blaming it all on the Church, Lysergic you are quite right when you say the are contributers, but others are just blatantly ignorant Anti-Catholics, who don&#39;t use the same logic as you do, and put it all down to the Church.


Notice the word "help" and not the word "remove" which you seem to be inserting into the sentence <_<

Also Note the word "reduce" and not the word "remove" yet again.

I/we are not blaming the catholic church for overpopulation as I already said 2 threads up. We are simply using it as an example were a religious leader, suppost to be the closest man to god, can enforce a rule that leads to the death of millions through Aids&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;


but others are just blatantly ignorant Anti-Catholics, who don&#39;t use the same logic as you do, and put it all down to the Church.

Are you referring to me?

If so counter my argument.

Are you a Marxist?

If you are then you dont understand material dialectics (which is a major part of Marxism). Read the following link and find how a belief in religion does not sit with MD. http://www.marxist.com/Theory/marxism_and_religion.html

[Connolly]

Note the following in the link


Marxists stand on the basis of philosophical materialism, which rules out the existence of any supernatural entity, or anything outside or "above" nature.

[BOZG]

Your damn fucking right that I&#39;m blatantly anti-Catholicism. What&#39;s your point?

[SpeCtrE]

Chill BOZG. he is dead you know

[Reuben]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 05:55 AM
i&#39;m a catholic and while i&#39;m not at all offended by what people say here, I would just like to point out that christ was a working-class carpenter.
well thats a brilliant argument.:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

in fact its so stupid i might have to put it in my signature