The Clash

[Asmoo]

What do you think of "The Clash" ?

If I were to be marooned on an desolated island and were allowed to take one album of choice with me, I'd probably take "London Calling". (Of course there is a record player positioned on the island)

Favourite songs:
..........................
Guns of Brixton
I Fought the Law
Spanish Bombs
..........................


http://www.bizzazz.net/wristband/clash_star-logo.jpg

[seraphim]

The Clash were superb but not the greatest punk band in my opinion I like loads of punk bands The stranglers, Crass, Stiff little fingers, Voodoo glow skulls etc etc

[Ian]

what the fuck kind of island has a record player, id take a bunch of pornos

[1936]

The clash suck

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2005, 12:17 PM
The Clash were superb but not the greatest punk band in my opinion I like loads of punk bands The stranglers, Crass, Stiff little fingers, Voodoo glow skulls etc etc
I sincerely hope you aren't putting VGS above or even near the Clash, SLF come close but if you consider each band's entire catalog the Clash come out far ahead. People can fire away but I consider the Clash to be the greatest rock band of all time. I would give the Neurotics and edge over them in the strictly punk category.

[seraphim]

No I agree The Clash were better than VGS I was just statin some bands I like there are more too I just would've taken forever to list them all. Rancid are another great punk band even Offspring were good up to Ixney on the Hombre after that they suck.

[seraphim]

The subhumans they rocked, and from my very own little town :D

[MiniOswald]

<------------ look at my avatar and judge whether im a clash fan or not

Tis true they were amazing and spanish bombs is just cool, always find myself singing along to it &#39;yo te quiero infinito......&#39;

I think they shudda given topper another chance though, and it all went to shit once mick left

[Intifada]

Straight to hell is the best Clash song.

[SgtPepper369]

The Clash(US/UK):
-Carreer Opprotunities
-Janie Jones
-Londons Burning

London Calling:
-Spanish Bombs
-Rudie Can&#39;t Fail
-Train in Vain

[Don't Change Your Name]

Overrated but good

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Over rated only by punks. By most others, they&#39;re kinda under rated, I&#39;d say.

They&#39;re probably my favorite punk band, though I&#39;m only familiar with very few. I have both they&#39;re US debut and London Calling, both of which are great albums.
I&#39;m gonna be pedestrian and say that London Calling is their best tune. Although Lost in the Supermarket, Koka Kola, Revolution Rock, Lover&#39;s Rock, Death or Glory, Spanish Bombs, Clash City Rockers, White Riot, I Fought the Law, Police and Theives, and Hate and War all really stand out for me.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

How many times has a thread like this come up on this board?
How many times have I posted the first couple lines of "White Punks On Hope"?


They said that we were trash,
Well the name is Crass, not Clash.
They can stuff their punk credentials
Cause it&#39;s them that take the cash.
They won&#39;t change nothing with their fashionable talk,
All their RAR badges and their protest walk . . .

Of course, it&#39;s funny, by now you&#39;d think I would have posted:


. . . Bubblegum rock on plastic transistors,
Schoolboy sedition backed by big time promoters.
CBS promote the Clash,
But it ain&#39;t for revolution, it&#39;s just for cash . . .

[Bazza]

Does anyone have the original version of I Fought The Law by The Crickets? As I would be interested in hearing it.

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by Virgin Molotov [email protected] 1 2005, 09:11 AM
How many times has a thread like this come up on this board?
How many times have I posted the first couple lines of "White Punks On Hope"?


They said that we were trash,
Well the name is Crass, not Clash.
They can stuff their punk credentials
Cause it&#39;s them that take the cash.
They won&#39;t change nothing with their fashionable talk,
All their RAR badges and their protest walk . . .

Of course, it&#39;s funny, by now you&#39;d think I would have posted:


. . . Bubblegum rock on plastic transistors,
Schoolboy sedition backed by big time promoters.
CBS promote the Clash,
But it ain&#39;t for revolution, it&#39;s just for cash . . .
So whatever CRASS says goes??

CRASS = unlistenable

Colin from Conflict is a big Clash/Joe Strummer fan. And you can actually listen to Conflict.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 11:36 AM
CRASS = unlistenable
I heard only one song from them. And if they are all like that, I think you&#39;re right.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Nope - I disagree strongly with a pretty big chunk of what CRASS said (Especially vis-a-vis pacifism) . . . but, I think, in general, they were a hell-of-alot closer to nailing it both in terms of theory and practice than The Clash. I mean, honestly, The Clash just weren&#39;t that threatening. Above par for a left-leaning major lablel rock band? Sure, I&#39;ll give them that - but it&#39;s a strech to treat them like they are some sort of revolutionary models to live up to.

[The Rotten One]

Of course, Crass are supported by a label and everyone Buying those "oh so punk rock" patches for the same thing: Money. Ass. The Clash is better beacause they have amazing songwriting and arranging talents. That&#39;s why so many people love them, not because folks were brainwashed by CBS. Uhhgg...

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

The Clash weren&#39;t overtly political. They were good at condemning the system, but they said little else in their music.
Crass actually takes a stand on issues, and they&#39;re a bunch of fucking liberals.
Point being, if you&#39;re a liberal, don&#39;t tell me because it turns me off.

[MiniOswald]

Too be fair joe was the only &#39;strongly&#39; political one, mick seemed more interested in his talants and songs about love, paul was..... well listen to guns of brixton and you&#39;ll realise what paul was. As for topper, he only joined the clash to get himself known but it kinda worked out they made it big and he got addicted to heroin.

You gotta give Joe credit for breaking away from the comfortable life he was dropped into, he had a pretty well off family, none of the others did.

I say that you shouldn&#39;t really look upto them as revolutionary figures, well you can if you want i mean you get alot of those messages from the music, and white riot is always good :D I say just enjoy the music, i mean dont always look what they tried to do for leftism more for music, i mean look at all the styles they tried, although i think they went too far with that gospel song (where the fuck did that come from?)

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by Virgin Molotov [email protected] 1 2005, 07:05 PM
Nope - I disagree strongly with a pretty big chunk of what CRASS said (Especially vis-a-vis pacifism) . . . but, I think, in general, they were a hell-of-alot closer to nailing it both in terms of theory and practice than The Clash. I mean, honestly, The Clash just weren&#39;t that threatening. Above par for a left-leaning major lablel rock band? Sure, I&#39;ll give them that - but it&#39;s a strech to treat them like they are some sort of revolutionary models to live up to.
CRASS aren&#39;t threatening either, shit the "establishment" felt far more threatened by the likes of the Clash, if you mentioned CRASS they wouldn&#39;t have known who the fuck you were talking about. I can say all the right things but if nobody hears me what good is it?

[Bazza]

While I&#39;m a big fan of The Clash, they weren&#39;t very political like the Redskins. Still, they were a big influence on a lot of political bands & artists such as the Redskins, Billy Bragg, The Blaggers ITA and The Newtown Neurotics. Strummer even gave one of his guitars to the Redskins Chris Dean as at the time he couldn&#39;t afford a decent one.

[truthaddict11]

wasnt I Fought The Law originally by Sonny Curtis?

anyway my favorite Clash song is Train in Vain

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2005, 11:16 PM
wasnt I Fought The Law originally by Sonny Curtis?
Yes.

What&#39;s up with your avatar?

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

CRASS aren&#39;t threatening either, shit the "establishment" felt far more threatened by the likes of the Clash, if you mentioned CRASS they wouldn&#39;t have known who the fuck you were talking about. I can say all the right things but if nobody hears me what good is it?
On the contrary, CRASS were debated in the British House of Lords on multiple occassions. They were regularly under investigation by the police, and their work is responsible for the radicalization of countless the world over. And the Clash? Well, they got pretty high on the Billboards once or twice, didn&#39;t they?


Of course, Crass are supported by a label and everyone Buying those "oh so punk rock" patches for the same thing
Their "record label"? The evil capitalist corporations CRASS was in cahoots with? Well, they ran their own CRASS Records, from their rural commune.

[Cokane]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2005, 06:11 PM
Straight to hell is the best Clash song.
Straight to hell is my favorite, and I&#39;m not a Clash fan, but that song is fuckin amazin.

[bolshevik butcher]

Clash are amazing, best songs;

garageland
london calling
rock the casbah
this is england
police and thieves

[dreams are free mofo]

I&#39;d say the Minutemen pass up both bands easily as far as technical skill and songwriting talent.

[bed_of_nails]

I definately prefer the Clash to Minutemen.

Rock the Casbah is the greatest Clash song.

I lost my virginity to the Clash.

[iwwobblie]

>>>>>>I lost my virginity to the Clash

Really,to the whole band?Who went first? :lol:

[bed_of_nails]

Strummer.

Actually I lost my virginity to "London Calling" to tell you the truth.

[iwwobblie]

Hey,Bed Of Nails did you know you have a Bush supporting Republican as your avatar?

Alice slams anti-Bush rockers

CP


WINNIPEG -- In the eyes of Alice Cooper, all the rock stars campaigning for Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry are guilty of one thing: treason. The shock-rock legend, a staunch Republican who attends NBA games in Phoenix with Arizona Senator John McCain, was disgusted when he learned of plans by Bruce Springsteen, John Mellencamp, R.E.M. and other bands to hold a series of concerts aimed at unseating U.S. President George W. Bush.

"To me, that&#39;s treason. I call it treason against rock &#39;n&#39; roll because rock is the antithesis of politics. Rock should never be in bed with politics," says the 56-year-old Cooper, who begins a 15-city Canadian tour on Aug. 20 in Thunder Bay, Ont.

"When I was a kid and my parents started talking about politics, I&#39;d run to my room and put on the Rolling Stones as loud as I could. So when I see all these rock stars up there talking politics, it makes me sick.

"If you&#39;re listening to a rock star in order to get your information on who to vote for, you&#39;re a bigger moron than they are. Why are we rock stars? Because we&#39;re morons. We sleep all day, we play music at night and very rarely do we sit around reading the Washington Journal."

Despite his strong insistence that rock has no place in politics, Cooper is one of just a handful of high-profile musicians who&#39;ve proclaimed support for Bush.

The list of pop-culture Republicans includes Britney Spears, Toby Keith and Ted Nugent, the latter being one of Cooper&#39;s old buddies from his early days in Detroit

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/EdmontonSun/.../20/593192.html

[Bazza]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 02:09 AM
Rock the Casbah is the greatest Clash song.


I just got the double Clash CD Rat Patrol From Fort Bragg the other day. I love the version of Rock The Casbah with The Beat&#39;s Rankin&#39; Roger.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by Virgin Molotov [email protected] 3 2005, 03:39 AM

CRASS aren&#39;t threatening either, shit the "establishment" felt far more threatened by the likes of the Clash, if you mentioned CRASS they wouldn&#39;t have known who the fuck you were talking about. I can say all the right things but if nobody hears me what good is it?
On the contrary, CRASS were debated in the British House of Lords on multiple occassions. They were regularly under investigation by the police, and their work is responsible for the radicalization of countless the world over. And the Clash? Well, they got pretty high on the Billboards once or twice, didn&#39;t they?


Of course, Crass are supported by a label and everyone Buying those "oh so punk rock" patches for the same thing
Their "record label"? The evil capitalist corporations CRASS was in cahoots with? Well, they ran their own CRASS Records, from their rural commune.
Notice how VMC doesn&#39;t mention anything regarding Crass&#39;s political output. That&#39;s because it was all liberal reformist shit.

[bed_of_nails]

thank you for your confirmation of his political stance to me, wobblie.

I do not love the man for his politics, I love him for his music. He is my favorite musician ever, and so I have him as an avatar. I am ashamed of his pro-Bush stance, but at least he isnt out giving speeches on why he votes that way. I respect his reasoning behind not giving political lectures.

[FatFreeMilk]

Tell me if you think this Part Ben guy ruined "Rock the Casbah".

He mashed it up with The Killer&#39;s "Somebody told me" to create "Somebody rock me". I actually kind of like it but I know some people would probably be pissed to hear it.

Take a listen here. (http://www.partyben.com/PartyBen-SomebodyRockMe.mp3)

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Originally posted by RedZeppelin+Apr 30 2005, 07:00 PM--> (RedZeppelin @ Apr 30 2005, 07:00 PM)
Originally posted by Virgin Molotov [email protected] 3 2005, 03:39 AM

CRASS aren&#39;t threatening either, shit the "establishment" felt far more threatened by the likes of the Clash, if you mentioned CRASS they wouldn&#39;t have known who the fuck you were talking about. I can say all the right things but if nobody hears me what good is it?
On the contrary, CRASS were debated in the British House of Lords on multiple occassions. They were regularly under investigation by the police, and their work is responsible for the radicalization of countless the world over. And the Clash? Well, they got pretty high on the Billboards once or twice, didn&#39;t they?


Of course, Crass are supported by a label and everyone Buying those "oh so punk rock" patches for the same thing
Their "record label"? The evil capitalist corporations CRASS was in cahoots with? Well, they ran their own CRASS Records, from their rural commune.
Notice how VMC doesn&#39;t mention anything regarding Crass&#39;s political output. That&#39;s because it was all liberal reformist shit. [/b]

CRASS
They said that we were trash
Well the name is Crass not Clash
They can stuff their punk credentials
Cause it&#39;s them that take the cash
They won&#39;t change nothing with their fashionable talk
Their RAR badges and their protest walk
Thousands of white men standing in a park
Objecting to racism like a candle in the dark
Black man&#39;s got his problems and his way to deal with it
So don&#39;t fool yourself you&#39;re helping with your white liberal shit
If you care to take a closer look at the way things really stand
You&#39;d see we&#39;re all just niggers to the rulers of this land

[MiniOswald]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 4 2005, 10:49 AM
this is england

This is england? aint that from when both mick and topper were gone?

[Bazza]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 05:37 PM
This is england? aint that from when both mick and topper were gone?
Yes, it&#39;s the only decent song from the Cut The Crap album.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by Virgin Molotov Cocktail+May 4 2005, 12:27 PM--> (Virgin Molotov Cocktail @ May 4 2005, 12:27 PM)
CRASS
They said that we were trash
Well the name is Crass not Clash
They can stuff their punk credentials
Cause it&#39;s them that take the cash
They won&#39;t change nothing with their fashionable talk
Their RAR badges and their protest walk
Thousands of white men standing in a park
Objecting to racism like a candle in the dark
Black man&#39;s got his problems and his way to deal with it
So don&#39;t fool yourself you&#39;re helping with your white liberal shit
If you care to take a closer look at the way things really stand
You&#39;d see we&#39;re all just niggers to the rulers of this land [/b]
http://www.lyricsdir.com/crass-bloody-revo...ons-lyrics.html (http://www.lyricsdir.com/crass-bloody-revolutions-lyrics.html)

http://www.lyricsdir.com/crass-its-the-gre...off-lyrics.html (http://www.lyricsdir.com/crass-its-the-greatest-working-class-rip-off-lyrics.html)

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

a) Bloody Revolutions - one of CRASS&#39;s earliest singles expressed a pacifism which they later abandoned.

b) The Greatest Working Class Ripoff is a condemnation of the mindless, often racist, violence that characterized the commodified and useless British punk scene. I disagree with their rejection of the notion of class (fuck all that pseudo-existential bullshit), but I think ithe song rather obviosly addressed the "quantity" notion of class - the "how rich are you" and the associated prejudice - rather than the questions of bourgeois/proletarian.
Regardless, it certainly doesn&#39;t make them "liberals".

[Urban Rubble]

But, but, they reject my tired ass Leninist dogma&#33; They have to be liberals&#33;

:lol:

[Anarcho-Communist]

The Clash are great, i have The Essential Clash it&#39;s their greatest hits are wicked. If you don&#39;t like them learn to appreaciate good punk not this crap #### nowadays like simple plan.

Peace, Love, Empathy

[celtopunk]

Even if I don&#39;t always agree with Crass lyrics I can appreciate them but I honestly find them boring to listen to. I hate their sound. There&#39;s plenty of great punk bands with something to say and yet still manage to make their music listenable, this is where crass fails miserably. They really should be discussed in their own thread.

Oh and in case I haven&#39;t mentioned it the Clash were the greatest rock band ever&#33;&#33;

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Originally posted by Virgin Molotov [email protected] 5 2005, 04:01 AM
a) Bloody Revolutions - one of CRASS&#39;s earliest singles expressed a pacifism which they later abandoned.
An extra note - Steve Ignorant later went on to sing with Conflict - who were explicit about both class-politics and violence - "Pacifism is an ideal. Not a tactic."

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Fair enough, VMC.
But it still bothers me and I refuse to consider them my comrades untill I hear something from them advocating class warfare.


But, but, they reject my tired ass Leninist dogma&#33; They have to be liberals&#33;

They also reject your tired ass advocacy of the Democratic party, liberal.

[themaskedavenger]

All i have to say is:
Fight war not wars
Destroy power not people

And the Clash are awesome.

As for the New "Punk" crap if you can even call it that. I call it Pop punk, cause thats what it is. Punk is dead. This new shit is just fucked up.

[Anarcho-Communist]

Punk isn&#39;t dead its alive in the hearts of true believers&#33;

Peace, Love, Empathy

[986Boobop424]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] May 5 2005, 04:14 AM
But, but, they reject my tired ass Leninist dogma&#33; They have to be liberals&#33;

Nah, they reject your tired sexy ass, period.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 05:58 AM
Punk isn&#39;t dead its alive in the hearts of true believers&#33;
Sounds like a religion in crisis :P

[workersunity]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2005, 06:36 AM
The clash suck
you are a damn idiot

most of the bands nowadays got a lot of inspiration from them, and they are the greatest band of all times.

best songs
Death or Glory
Hate & War
Police & Thieves
London Calling
Career Opportunities
Magnificient Seven
White Riot
I fought the Law
The card cheat
Revolution Rock
1977
English Civil War
Should I stay or should i go

[The Rotten One]

The Clash did so much for music. They brought Jah and ska music white audiences (Police & Thieves/ Rudie Can&#39;t fail, respectively). Without them punk would have degenerated totally into the drunken aggro Oi(&#33;) bands and lost all social connotation.

[Invader Zim]

The Clash have had some good songs, but on the whole the bore me. I used to really like that kind of music, but in all honesty, I grew tired of it.

I listen to the Clash now, and am not very impressed. But like I said, they do have some good songs, but they are so overly hyped.

There are better leftist bands around.

[Urban Rubble]

They also reject your tired ass advocacy of the Democratic party, liberal.

Missed this little gem.

Ummmmm, well you&#39;re a fascist. Hell, if we&#39;re going to make shit up, why don&#39;t I just say you&#39;re a murderer&#33;

But really, insults are more effective when they are based in some sort of truth.

Please, go back to pretending you aren&#39;t American and calling people reactionaries.

[Bugalu Shrimp]

Originally posted by The Rotten [email protected] 9 2005, 08:40 PM
The Clash did so much for music. They brought Jah and ska music white audiences (Police & Thieves/ Rudie Can&#39;t fail, respectively).
I don&#39;t know if that&#39;s such a great compliment. Their reggae excursions are infinatley inferior to the originals and the kind of copycat bands they spawned polluted and diluted British Reggae for years to come, the nadir being the utter toss of UB40.

[Urban Rubble]

I don&#39;t know if that&#39;s such a great compliment. Their reggae excursions are infinatley inferior to the originals and the kind of copycat bands they spawned polluted and diluted British Reggae for years to come, the nadir being the utter toss of UB40.

You&#39;re blaming the Clash for UB-40?

[Bugalu Shrimp]

Yes, and the Specials and Madness and the Special A.K.A and a host of other Reggae lite rip off merchants. The Clash were to Reggae what Vanilla Ice was to Hip Hop, that&#39;s not to say I don&#39;t appreciate the band but I prefer their punk-funk moments like "Radio Clash" or "Mag 7".

[RASH chris]

Originally posted by The Rotten [email protected] 9 2005, 08:40 PM
The Clash did so much for music. They brought Jah and ska music white audiences (Police & Thieves/ Rudie Can&#39;t fail, respectively). Without them punk would have degenerated totally into the drunken aggro Oi(&#33;) bands and lost all social connotation.
Bullshit. White kids were listening to ska and reggae before punk came around, before there were any punk bands. The mods and the skinheads both listened to ska and reggae, and those cultures predate punk by almost a decade.

Thank god somebody metioned Confilct in response to the pacifism thing.

Crass wasn&#39;t seen as a threat? Bullshit. Ever heard about Thatchergate? Crass made a fake tape of thatcher talking to whoever the US president was at the time about planning the war in the Falklands, the US thought the KGB did it, they convinced England of it too. Then crass came out and admitted to it. Crass was a threat to capitalism, the clash were just a band. I mean, I love the Clash, but they were not what Crass was. Crass set the precedent for anarchism in punk and for the DIY ethic that defines true punk.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 11 2005, 01:27 AM

They also reject your tired ass advocacy of the Democratic party, liberal.

Missed this little gem.

Ummmmm, well you&#39;re a fascist. Hell, if we&#39;re going to make shit up, why don&#39;t I just say you&#39;re a murderer&#33;

But really, insults are more effective when they are based in some sort of truth.

Please, go back to pretending you aren&#39;t American and calling people reactionaries.
I&#39;m not American.
But it&#39;s fun when you try to dispute against someone who you don&#39;t know regarding their own nationality.

And you most certainly said in your posts that you condone John Kerry in the presidential election because George Bush would draft folks to send to Iraq, ban abortion, and some other shit.

LOOK, IT&#39;S PROOF&#33;&#33; (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=24419&hl=kerry)

[Urban Rubble]

I&#39;m not American.

You&#39;re an American citizen, correct? You live in Florida, am I right?

I don&#39;t give a shit what country your parents came from or where your ancestors lived, YOU are an American. My family came from England, that doesn&#39;t mean I&#39;m English. I was raised in America and grew up enjoying all the things that living here entails, that means I am American. JUST LIKE YOU.

But go ahead, keep acting as if you&#39;re somehow different. Keep *****ing about all the privileges "us" Americans have while sitting in Florida typing on an expensive computer. I can&#39;t decide whether to call you a hypocrite or a dumbass.


But it&#39;s fun when you try to dispute against someone who you don&#39;t know regarding their own nationality.

You&#39;re the one who told me you&#39;re from America. Either you were lying or you don&#39;t understand what qualifies as American.


And you most certainly said in your posts that you condone John Kerry in the presidential election because George Bush would draft folks to send to Iraq, ban abortion, and some other shit.

Please, post the exact words I said.

I said that John Kerry is better on domestic policy, you&#39;re right. I also said he&#39;s a complete piece of scum and that the difference between the two is marginal. But yeah, let&#39;s go with your story that I&#39;m a Democrat, makes a lot of sense.

By the way, that conversation was from over a year ago. Nice to see you&#39;re so into me that you&#39;d go that far back to prove a point. I feel I should mention that even though I never supported Kerry I did (back then) feel it was justified to vote for him. I&#39;ve changed my opinion somewhat since then. I still think Kerry is a lesser evil and would have been preferable, however I have to come to see the futility of voting for president, on that point you guys were right and I was wrong, I can admit that. Guess what? It still doesn&#39;t make me a liberal.

Edit: Forgot other guy&#39;s post:


Yes, and the Specials and Madness and the Special A.K.A and a host of other Reggae lite rip off merchants.

First off, those were ska bands, they never claimed to be reggae so your point is moot from the beginning. I see nothing wrong with some English kids who loved Jamaican ska starting their own ska bands and innovating the sound. That is exactly what those bands did, they didn&#39;t "rip off" anything. Perhaps you&#39;d like to back the comments up with some proof rather than just flinging out wild accusations that make no sense?

Second, the Clash never claimed to be reggae, nobody ever thought they were reggae and they really only played a few songs that sounded remotely like reggae. Joe liked reggae and it influenced him at a few select points, how is that ripping someone off?


The Clash were to Reggae what Vanilla Ice was to Hip Hop

Dude, think about what you say before you say it. This just makes no sense whatsoever.

Let me explain the difference: Vanilla Ice set out from the start to be a Hip Hop artist. He took all the clothing, the lingo, the style and attempted to claim it as his. The Clash actually did the exact opposite. The Clash never presented themselves as reggae artists, the Clash played VERY little reggae, the Clash never dressed like Jamaicans, the Clash did not attempt to speak in Jamaican patois. What they did was play punk rock and eventually when Joe found reggae he dabbled (very selectively) with it in his music.

Your point makes no sense. Instead of making hollow accusations PLEASE attempt to prove your point.

[bed_of_nails]

Now I want to listen to "London Calling".

Geneveive was quite a lady...

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

You&#39;re an American citizen, correct?

No.
I&#39;m a Brazilian citizen. I was born and raised in Sao Paulo, Brazil. Both of my parents were born and raised in Sao Paulo, Brazil.


You live in Florida, am I right?

Yes, I now live in Florida. I am a legal permanent resident. (greencard)


But go ahead, keep acting as if you&#39;re somehow different. Keep *****ing about all the privileges "us" Americans have while sitting in Florida typing on an expensive computer. I can&#39;t decide whether to call you a hypocrite or a dumbass.

Just for the record, I&#39;m using an e-machine that I bought for &#036;300.

But yeah, my family is kind of bourgois, unfortunately.


I said that John Kerry is better on domestic policy, you&#39;re right. I also said he&#39;s a complete piece of scum and that the difference between the two is marginal. But yeah, let&#39;s go with your story that I&#39;m a Democrat, makes a lot of sense.

I said you advocated the Democratic Party. Which is quite a liberal position. Which you did:

You:
Yes, I am supporting John Kerry in his election bid, but the only reason I am doing so is because he is the only realistic alternative to Bush.

I&#39;m glad you changed your mind.