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Vincent
29th March 2005, 12:34
Searching throug my school library today I found a copy of the 'Communist Manifesto' published by Penguin which features a lengthy introduction by a man named A J P Taylor. His introduction features an overview of the manifesto with discussions realting to its economics, history and literary values. Wthin it I found some very hard to refute critiques of Marx's work. I will quote them directly so you can make your own minds up.

1. "... Marx had made a universal generalisation from a single example. For him, the cotton industry (referring here to the workings of Lancashire) was synonymous with capitalism, and he supposed that all other industries would follow its rules. He thought also that he and Engels were living in an age of fully-developed capitalism, when in fact capitalism had hardly started. There was really very little modern about the textile industry, which wa sno more that the application of steam-power to an industry that has existed for centuries.... Industrial England of 1847, though very impressive to contemporaries, now appears crude and backward, not much higher than say, the present level of India. The true industrial revolution bagn only with the railways, which in turn launced the age of iron and steel. This, too, has gioven way to the age of the internal-combustion engine and elecronics. Marx thought to narrowly in economic terms of capital and failed to allow for the endlessly stimulating effect of human invention. When one industry was overloaded with capital, new channels were soon opened elsewhere."

2. "The first step was for the proletariat to become the ruling class or, as Marx calls it, 'to win the battle of democracy'. The Manifesto itself does not contain Marx's famous phrase- 'the dictatorship of the proletariate'. But the idea is there, though the phrase is not. The proletariate would wrest all capital from the bourgeoisie and 'would centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state'. This is in rather odd contrast with the principle laid down by Marx earlier in the Manifesto that economic change always preced and caused political change. Here he is saying the opposite, and no wonder. Otherwise he would be trapped, a some alter Marxists were, into waiting upon events."

3. "Nearly everyone now accepts the principle that ideas and beliefs grow out of and reflect exisiting socity rather than lead an independant life. Even here there was a hole in the Marxist system. Men have often dedicated their lives to ideals which have very little to do with surrounding circumstances, to the ideal, say, of Justice or Freedom. Marx can be said to have done this himself. There is something lacking in a philosophy which allows no place for its originator. What economic need was Marx serving when he sat for long hours at a desk in the British Museum or attend hole-and-corner meetings of half a dozen obsure men? He was asserting hsi personality, and this, rather than class conflict, has often been the driving force of history."

4. "Marx was right when he foretold the development of capitalism and of the proletariat. He failed to grasp the complexity of this development. The primitive capitalism of Marx's time worked in a primitive way. Individual capitalists mostly owned the cotton mills, and many of them belieived, though some of the greatest did not, that they could prosper only if the compelled their employees to work long hours for low wages. Capitalism of this kind survives now only in the backward communities. The limited compant has taken the place of the individual owner in all great undertakings. There has been a divorce between ownership and control, which is altogether beyond Marx's system. The profit motive has ceased to be the only driving force of capitalism, or even the principal one. The shareholders no doubt want profits when they are allowed to take them. The managers and directors are concerned far more with efficient working and only make enough profit to keep the shareholders quiet. As in other walks of life, power has becoime more important than profit, a calculation which harldy entered into Marx's system."

5. "On the other hand Marx's system has not had the steamroller effect which Marx expected. It is not true that everyone expect a fwe capitalists is being forced into the ranks of the proletariat. Quite the contrary. The proletariat has tened to remail a static element of society, or even to decline. Marx in his analysis never seems to acknowledge the middlemen and administrators who make capitalism work. The more capitalism flourishes, the more there are of them. Advanced capitalism was brought with it an increasing middle class, so much so that one can imagine it without indivividual capitalists at all. Only then is it called state capitalism. Those who run things are the real rulers of society, and there is far more to run than there was before. The proletariat has not much increased its proportion of numbres in the community and is no nearer running things than it ever was."

6. "It is a grave upset to the Marxist system that the proletariate has not become the ruling class in the community and shows no sign of doing so. There is an even graver upset. Increasing prosperity for the capitalists has everywhere brought with it increasing prospetity for the proletariat, instad of increasing misery whcih Marx foretold. The most advanced capitalist countries are also those where the working calss has the higest standard of life. When this failure became obvious towards the end of the nineteenth century, some Marxists devised the explanation of imperialist super-profit. The capitalists of the highly advanced countries of the world were taking, as it were, an unfair advantage of the rest of the world and were passing on a small share of the loot to their own working class. Many capitalists themselves believed this, or at any ate the advocates of imperialism did so. More recently, the imperial powers have lost their empires. As a result, they have become more prosperous than they were before. Everyone knows, for instance, that the British working class would be better off if the British government did no insist on clingign to the tattered remements of a dead Empire. Imperialist super-profit has not prooved a good bet or explanation."


At the moment I am thinking this is enough reading for the moment. So, I would like people to discuss their opinions of these critiques. Just remember, the fact that I posted these for discussion does not imply I am a 'dogmatic reactionary petty bourgeoisie' or any such nonsense. I am incredibly enthusiastic in my support for a society which Marxism and its variants aim to establish, but I am also a questioner and I choose not to blindly follow ideas, philosopies etc. unless I fully agree with them. I am not a person who would pigeon-hole himself into just being a 'Marxist', or any othe variant of the title, I would always prefer to be just 'me'.

NovelGentry
29th March 2005, 13:51
I'm going to keep answers as simple as possible for now, because this IS a lot of text, and if I start writing a lot this is going to turn into a small book, which I don't have time for. Keep in mind, I've been up all night, so if there's a lot of typos, horrid grammer, or even things that make no real sense, I will address them again later.

NOTE: I have responded to these comments as if they were your own. I realize they are not your own, and that you do not actually necessarily recognize these arguments etc. But for the sake of ease I essentially combined my responses as if they were you (for the sake of referencing our discussion yesterday) and the author (for the sake of simply not having to specify someone else). Don't take it as confrontational... I understand these aren't your arguments. Feel free to answer any of the question I have posed with your own response, or what you may think the author's response would be as it would make for more interesting discussion.


1. "... Marx had made a universal generalisation from a single example. For him, the cotton industry (referring here to the workings of Lancashire) was synonymous with capitalism, and he supposed that all other industries would follow its rules. He thought also that he and Engels were living in an age of fully-developed capitalism, when in fact capitalism had hardly started. There was really very little modern about the textile industry, which wa sno more that the application of steam-power to an industry that has existed for centuries.... Industrial England of 1847, though very impressive to contemporaries, now appears crude and backward, not much higher than say, the present level of India. The true industrial revolution bagn only with the railways, which in turn launced the age of iron and steel. This, too, has gioven way to the age of the internal-combustion engine and elecronics. Marx thought to narrowly in economic terms of capital and failed to allow for the endlessly stimulating effect of human invention. When one industry was overloaded with capital, new channels were soon opened elsewhere."

The author makes a good point, however, the core of Marx's argument was that the system outgrows itself and resolves these issues in varying ways. Indeed the change in technological advancement is a way to resolve this issue, however, it does not come as a product of industry outgrowing itself, but as a natural progression in the means of production to begin with. Steel is simply another way to do much of what we used to do with wood (on a much grander scale). Electronics (as in computer types which is what I assume he's talking aobut) is just another way of doing complex logic and transofrming the actual form of information.

While these markets do create new roads for capitalism, and thus, the growth of capital. It was not the idea that capital itself would outgrow itself, but that the means of production would outgrow the limits of the bourgeoisie. Want proof of this? Read the rest of the book.

Technological progression is not contradictory to Marx's estimations, in fact, his estimations require it.


The productive forces at the disposal of society no longer tend to further the development of the conditions of bourgeois property; on the contrary, they have become too powerful for these conditions, by which they are fettered, and so soon as they overcome these fetters, they bring disorder into the whole of bourgeois society, endanger the existence of bourgeois property. -- The Communist Manifesto

You're actually seeing this in action today with a new form of bourgeois property called Intellectual Property. The means of production which violates it is in fact something produced and nurtured under the bourgeoisie, and crazily enough STILL being pushed by them: computers. As much as computers threatens this new property relation, they still allow it -- not without restrictions though. SEE: Digital Millenium Copyright Act.

It is only a matter of time before the means of production outgrows other forms of property too -- indeed some of these means have already outgrown bourgeois society here, and thus, in order to maintain any control over them, the bourgeoisie has used it's coping mechanism -- extending it to foreign markets.


2. "The first step was for the proletariat to become the ruling class or, as Marx calls it, 'to win the battle of democracy'. The Manifesto itself does not contain Marx's famous phrase- 'the dictatorship of the proletariate'. But the idea is there, though the phrase is not. The proletariate would wrest all capital from the bourgeoisie and 'would centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state'. This is in rather odd contrast with the principle laid down by Marx earlier in the Manifesto that economic change always preced and caused political change. Here he is saying the opposite, and no wonder. Otherwise he would be trapped, a some alter Marxists were, into waiting upon events."

Is this some kind of joke? First off, what he considers the economic change, is what Marx would consider the material change. While at first it may appear Marx is saying that the proletariat is to violate this principle, I assure you it is not.

Every class who has succeeded the the previous ruling class as the new ruling class is forced to wrest control of the means of production and property from that old class. The bourgeoisie did it to the feudal aristocracies and it was bloody as hell.

I believe it was redstar who pointed out in another thread. When you read these little introductions, it is not the general ideas and principles of Marxism that the bourgeois society gets scared at... it's the idea of revolution. This citation or example from this man's introduction only proves it.

He is effectively saying "Why do they have to fight for it... it is inevitable." But what Marx is clearly pointing out is that it is inevitable that we will fight for it. Did you think the ruling class was just going to hand it all over? "Oh... well, the way we see it, we created the internet, and we made computers widely available... and we made them so you could program with them.... so really we made filsharing possible... and you do technically own the music you buy, not just the cd... and we made it possible for you to rip them, encode them into really small files, and even burn them back to another CD... yeah, we made all of it -- but it's our property and you have no right to do this!" (again, using the modern example of intellectual property).

The point, as I said before, is looking at the property relations themselves. We fight for these property relations really, not so much the means of production in itself, but the right to actually OWN it -- but we fight as a class, because it is in the interest of our class. You should really search for the "3D printing" thread, a lot of this stuff is a rehash.


3. "Nearly everyone now accepts the principle that ideas and beliefs grow out of and reflect exisiting socity rather than lead an independant life. Even here there was a hole in the Marxist system. Men have often dedicated their lives to ideals which have very little to do with surrounding circumstances, to the ideal, say, of Justice or Freedom. Marx can be said to have done this himself. There is something lacking in a philosophy which allows no place for its originator. What economic need was Marx serving when he sat for long hours at a desk in the British Museum or attend hole-and-corner meetings of half a dozen obsure men? He was asserting hsi personality, and this, rather than class conflict, has often been the driving force of history."

Maybe in looking at history through a very fine lense can it be seen to grow out of peoples ideas. For example, Napoleon. However, the general steps that the history of man takes throughout history are strangely ordered. Particularly when you look at property relations and how it becomes ever more decentralized. Think of Emperors vs. Feudal Aristocracy vs. Bourgeoisie vs. Working Class vs Classeless NO ownership. There seems to be a very strange order... maybe I'm just a conspiracy theorist though!

Aside from this, the Marxist concept of consciousness plays a vast role in the progression of man through time and the "creation of history" as seen in The German Ideology.


Since we are dealing with the Germans, who are devoid of premises, we must begin by stating the first premise of all human existence and, therefore, of all history, the premise, namely, that men must be in a position to live in order to be able to “make history.” But life involves before everything else eating and drinking, a habitation, clothing and many other things. The first historical act is thus the production of the means to satisfy these needs, the production of material life itself. And indeed this is an historical act, a fundamental condition of all history, which today, as thousands of years ago, must daily and hourly be fulfilled merely in order to sustain human life. -- The German Ideology

Marx's premise is that first and foremost we are creatures subdued by material reality, and we cannot escape this, thus the very first acts of history to modern day bend around this material existence. Indeed, it is WHY we produce, it is why we consume, it is why we have property relations at all.

You do not have to agree with this, nor does the original author, but I would suggest you read that paper before judging.



4. "Marx was right when he foretold the development of capitalism and of the proletariat. He failed to grasp the complexity of this development. The primitive capitalism of Marx's time worked in a primitive way. Individual capitalists mostly owned the cotton mills, and many of them belieived, though some of the greatest did not, that they could prosper only if the compelled their employees to work long hours for low wages. Capitalism of this kind survives now only in the backward communities. The limited compant has taken the place of the individual owner in all great undertakings. There has been a divorce between ownership and control, which is altogether beyond Marx's system. The profit motive has ceased to be the only driving force of capitalism, or even the principal one. The shareholders no doubt want profits when they are allowed to take them. The managers and directors are concerned far more with efficient working and only make enough profit to keep the shareholders quiet. As in other walks of life, power has becoime more important than profit, a calculation which harldy entered into Marx's system."


Some arguments based on assertion without too much point, and some very strong assumptions made about Marx's projections. These points require a lot more time to respond to properly, and as such I'm going to avoid them for now because of my current condition. Keep one thing in mind... because he says it so does not make it so. But he contradicts himself too, he says that the managers and directors are concerned far more with efficient working... HELLO... efficient working == profit. If someone isn't squeezing out as much product as they can per hour, you're not gonna profit as much due to lack of efficiency in output vs. labor time.

Profit == Money, Money == Power.

Is this guy even for real? Or was this posted by t_wolves_fan on another message board?


5. "On the other hand Marx's system has not had the steamroller effect which Marx expected. It is not true that everyone expect a fwe capitalists is being forced into the ranks of the proletariat. Quite the contrary. The proletariat has tened to remail a static element of society, or even to decline. Marx in his analysis never seems to acknowledge the middlemen and administrators who make capitalism work. The more capitalism flourishes, the more there are of them. Advanced capitalism was brought with it an increasing middle class, so much so that one can imagine it without indivividual capitalists at all. Only then is it called state capitalism. Those who run things are the real rulers of society, and there is far more to run than there was before. The proletariat has not much increased its proportion of numbres in the community and is no nearer running things than it ever was."

Again, more misconceptions, false statements, etc. I can point you to a number of people who would like to argue the nature of social upward mobility, and the decline of it. I can also point you to the discussion we had the other day, in which I believe I pointed out the anture of the middle class. And how Marx pointed out it would vary, and it would rise up in a solid boom, and then be dragged back down again... and rise up even stronger the next time... and again... and again... and again... until more than the cyclic nature of capitalisma, alone, has changed.

As far as the "techno-managerial" class argument... it's old and busted and I've refuted it before (search the forum for that phrase in quotes I just said).

... as you can probably tell, my arguments have been getting simpler, and I'm growing more and more tired. With that said, I will leave it up to you to discuss the last one -- see if you can find the answers ;)

redstar2000
29th March 2005, 17:22
A.J.P. Taylor was a famous British historian. Here's a little sketch of him...

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v10/v10p509_Konkin.html

I've read some of his essays on British history and, while hardly radical, they are nonetheless interesting.

Now to the messy details...


Originally posted by Taylor
Marx had made a universal generalisation from a single example.

Marx did primarily concentrate on the development of capitalism in England as a "case study" and assumed that capitalism in all countries then and in the future would evolve in more or less the same fashion.

By and large, I think his prediction turned out well; he did not anticipate state-monopoly capitalism in Russia and China...but in the end, those countries have also gone back to the "normal" path of capitalism.

The dominance of finance capital was something that I don't think Marx explicitly anticipated...though, in my opinion, it follows quite logically from his analysis.


Marx thought too narrowly in economic terms of capital and failed to allow for the endlessly stimulating effect of human invention.

That's actually a nonsensical statement; human technological innovation was (and remains) at the heart of the Marxist paradigm...it is the "engine of history".


This is in rather odd contrast with the principle laid down by Marx earlier in the Manifesto that economic change always preceded and caused political change. Here he is saying the opposite, and no wonder. Otherwise he would be trapped, as some alter [other?] Marxists were, into waiting upon events.

Yes, such contradictions do turn up in the Manifesto -- because Marx was writing in the "age of bourgeois revolutions" and thinking in terms of how to "push" those revolutions beyond their immediate material limits. (This was a component in Marx's thought that greatly appealed to Lenin and appeals even more to contemporary Maoism.)

There is a "tension" in Marxism between "fighting for revolution" and "waiting for material conditions to mature". The reason that a Marxist struggles for proletarian revolution now is because it's always uncertain whether or not material conditions are mature.

The communist position boils down to: if material conditions look like they might be suitable, then roll the dice and see what happens. If you fail, then you know it was too soon.


Men have often dedicated their lives to ideals which have very little to do with surrounding circumstances, to the ideal, say, of Justice or Freedom.

That's just babble, of course. People who "dedicate their lives to ideals" like "Justice or Freedom" have very specific conceptions of those "ideals"...conceptions that bear a striking resemblance to their own class interests.

The ideologues of the American Revolution, for example, understood the "ideal of freedom" to include the "freedom to own slaves"...since, of course, a great many of them were slave-owners.

There are, on occasion, very rare exceptions to this rule. Rare individuals will articulate (or attempt to articulate) the class interests of a class other than their own before it "finds its own voice". A small number of dissident aristocratic philosophers conveyed the bourgeois critique of feudalism/clericalism before the bourgeoisie created its own ideologues. Marx and Engels articulated the class interests of the proletariat in an era when workers had no one to speak for themselves.

But if Marx was right, then this century should see the emergence of many working class "theoreticians".


He was asserting his personality, and this, rather than class conflict, has often been the driving force of history.

Everybody "asserts their personality". By chance, some will appear to loom large as "makers of history".

But there was at least one "great man" who knew better. The bourgeois revolutionary Abraham Lincoln admitted in 1864, "I claim not to have controlled events, but confess plainly that events have controlled me."


There has been a divorce between ownership and control, which is altogether beyond Marx's system. The profit motive has ceased to be the only driving force of capitalism, or even the principal one. The shareholders no doubt want profits when they are allowed to take them. The managers and directors are concerned far more with efficient working and only make enough profit to keep the shareholders quiet. As in other walks of life, power has become more important than profit, a calculation which hardly entered into Marx's system.

This moronic proposition has been around for at least 60 years...and has not improved with age, to put it charitably.

Capitalists discovered in the late 19th and early 20th century that it was not necessary to own all or even most of the stock in a corporation in order to control it. A solid block of ownership -- as little as 20% or less -- would serve to sway the votes of all or at least most of the small shareholders...even against their own interests.

The modern corporation consists of a small number of people who own lots of shares and a large number of people who own only a few shares.

The big guys run the show...or hire people to run it for them. And if you imagine that profit isn't their "driving force", then you need to read the Wall Street Journal for a week or so. Or, one issue of The Economist.


It is not true that everyone except a few capitalists is being forced into the ranks of the proletariat. Quite the contrary.

The question of proletarianization is a difficult one...and more complicated than Marx realized.

Nevertheless, when one considers the fate of such traditional middle-class professions like doctor, lawyer or accountant, it's pretty clear that a division is taking place...with a few migrating upwards into the ruling class and most being gradually reduced to (very highly paid) proletarians. Or, consider the small businessman...the whole history of modern capitalism shows him being squeezed into economic insignificance. "Grow or die" is even truer now than in Marx's day.

Wal-mart opens a new "box" every day...sealing the fate of a dozen or more small retailers.


Marx in his analysis never seems to acknowledge the middlemen and administrators who make capitalism work.

No, he just simply thought they were not very important.

The present-day capitalist class appears to agree with him; displaced managers are as common now as, well, dirt.


It is a grave upset to the Marxist system that the proletariat has not become the ruling class in the community and shows no sign of doing so.

Yes, things are taking considerably longer than we (or Marx) thought they would.

Those are the breaks.


Increasing prosperity for the capitalists has everywhere brought with it increasing prosperity for the proletariat, instead of increasing misery which Marx foretold.

Well, not any longer. American real wages are now lower than at any time since 1964. Hours worked per week are higher now since the late 1920s.

The "middle-class prosperity" of American workers is "a house of (credit) cards" and sustained largely by two-worker households.

In western Europe, the dismantling of their "welfare states" proceeds with increasing velocity.


When this failure became obvious towards the end of the nineteenth century, some Marxists devised the explanation of imperialist super-profit. The capitalists of the highly advanced countries of the world were taking, as it were, an unfair advantage of the rest of the world and were passing on a small share of the loot to their own working class.

This is Lenin's theory, not Marx's. Lenin was seeking a materialist explanation for the failure of the western European proletariat to "be revolutionary"...and "found it" in the idea that the capitalist class was "bribing" the working class to accept capitalism with a portion of the profits accumulated from "third world" investments.

There is (or at least was) undoubtedly some truth in this theory. An especially prosperous ruling class can afford to make material concessions to its own workers ("reforms")...especially if those workers are restive and causing difficulties.

But there's nothing in Marx's theory suggesting that imperialists "must" bribe their domestic work-force...and it looks to me like present-day imperialist profits are going entirely into ruling class pockets.

The question of "super-profits" is very technical and controversial...so I'll skip that one. I'm probably not really qualified to discuss it anyway.

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And just a note here: it's entirely legitimate to question and even criticize Marx and Engels or anyone else -- we are humans, not "gods", and therefore we have made and will make mistakes. The struggle to gain a better understanding of objective reality is vital to the whole revolutionary process.

It's something that we all need to do.

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Severian
30th March 2005, 11:01
Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 06:34 AM
There was really very little modern about the textile industry, which wa sno more that the application of steam-power to an industry that has existed for centuries....
This is pretty silly. The automatic spinning and weaving machines were a huge innovation in the context of their time. If Taylor's statement were true, you'd expect to see a worker running a single spinning wheel, only powered by steam rather than a foot-pedal. Instead a worker would run a machine (or maybe machines, already?) spinning multiple threads. Really textile had changed more by that point than it has since. Textile was ahead of its time and so a good choice for looking at the tendencies of capitalism.

One of the biggest things a good historian has to do, is put events in the context of their time: Taylor is doing the opposite, divorcing them from that context and comparing 'em to today instead.


When one industry was overloaded with capital, new channels were soon opened elsewhere.

Why yes, IIRC Marx talks about this in Volume 3 of Capital, the average rate of profit and all that.


This is in rather odd contrast with the principle laid down by Marx earlier in the Manifesto that economic change always preced and caused political change.

Not really, the economic development of capitalism makes possible its political overthrow.

Taylor seems to be running on a simplified version of Marxism where economics--->politics and never the other way. For Marx, that was the primary direction of influence but the "superstructure" also reacted back on the "base." It's a dialectics thing, everything is constantly in motion and change.

The bourgeois revolutions certainly accelerated the economic development of capitalism, in all periods of history politics (including wars!) affected economics and the socialist revolution is not an exception.


Otherwise he would be trapped, a some alter Marxists were, into waiting upon events.

Taylor's got that right.


Men have often dedicated their lives to ideals which have very little to do with surrounding circumstances, to the ideal, say, of Justice or Freedom. Marx can be said to have done this himself. There is something lacking in a philosophy which allows no place for its originator.

Marx showed such "ideals" have different meanings in different historical contexts and to different classes. He gave a new content to Justice and Freedom himself, and did so in a particular historical context...there's a reason why Marx wrote at a particular time in history, which is well-explained by Marxism.


"Marx was right when he foretold the development of capitalism and of the proletariat. He failed to grasp the complexity of this development.

Well of course no-one can predict everything and life is more complex than any theory. Seeing as how the human brain is smaller than the universe.

One of Lenin's favorite sayings: "gray, gray is all theory, but ever green is the tree of life." This does not mean theory is worthless.

A strange criticism, one might as well criticize Marx for failing to invent faster-than-light travel.


The shareholders no doubt want profits when they are allowed to take them. The managers and directors are concerned far more with efficient working and only make enough profit to keep the shareholders quiet.

Marx did write about stocks and other finance capital - "the mother of every insane form" - and Lenin wrote more in Imperialism.

I should note that the current phenomenon is corporations becoming more focused on "maximizing shareholder value" i.e. profit. So the trend Taylor identifies here has been reversed since. As Redstar mentions, read any business publication. Those executives who are "shareholder advocates" are their heroes.


The proletariat has tened to remail a static element of society, or even to decline.

That's false, the working class is larger in every country than in Marx's time, and still growing as more farmers are forced off the land, more shopkeepers driven out of business by Wal-Mart, etc. Capital is becoming more concentrated. Even the industrial part of the class is larger than in Marx's time, in every country besides England I'd guess.

It's true that the "new middle classes" are growing and that is a new phenomenon since Marx's time.


The most advanced capitalist countries are also those where the working calss has the higest standard of life. When this failure became obvious towards the end of the nineteenth century, some Marxists devised the explanation of imperialist super-profit.

Including Engels. It's true that "absolute impoverishment" has not occurred in the advanced capitalist countries but it seems to be running pretty well in the dependent capitalist countries...even though many have experienced considerable capitalist development, as Taylor mentions in the case of India.

Relative impoverishment, a growing income disparity, is occurring everywhere.


More recently, the imperial powers have lost their empires. As a result, they have become more prosperous than they were before.

Bullshit. The end of direct colonialism is not the end of imperialist exploitation of the Third World.