Revolutionary Communists Take on Christian Fascist

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

Outside the Florida hospice where Terri Schiavo is dying, supporters of the RCP and Bob Avakian took on the Christian Fascists who have been raving virtually unopposed.

Here is what CNN wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/27/schiavo/index.html

" After remarks by Randall Terry -- an activist against abortion rights who has been acting as a spokesman for Terri Schiavo's family, the Schindlers -- members of a group calling itself the Revolutionary Communist Youth Brigades seized control of the microphones and blasted Terry as a "Christian fascist thug" trying to interfere in "the most intimate affairs of life and death."

"[Terri Schiavo's] brain is not functional. It's not going to recover. Let her die in peace," pleaded Sunsara Taylor, a member of the group."

Finally!

More details appear on Sunsara's personal blog: http://www.sunsara.blogspot.com/

Here is what the RCP thinks about these Christian Fascists and the terry Schiavo case: http://rwor.org/a/1273/schiavo-christian-right.htm

Here is where you can find writings of Bob Avakian on religion and fascism in America: http://rwor.org/a/1255/avakian_clinton_rig..._conspiracy.htm (http://rwor.org/a/1255/avakian_clinton_right_wing_conspiracy.htm)

Here are audio tapes on the Christian Right and communist morality: http://bobavakian.net

Finally here is an online leaflet calling out the current madness and sharply posing the need for a radically different world: " The Battle for the Future Will be Fought From Here Forward"
http://rwor.org/future/

Let's take them on. Help us circulate these links!

[Colombia]

Originally posted by Andrei [email protected] 29 2005, 01:20 AM
the Revolutionary Communist Youth Brigades seized control of the microphones and blasted Terry as a "Christian fascist thug" trying to interfere in "the most intimate affairs of life and death."




How is she a thug?


"[Terri Schiavo's] brain is not functional. It's not going to recover. Let her die in peace," pleaded Sunsara Taylor, a member of the group."Ok isn't that the exact opposite of calling her a thug?

[flyby]

good question! it is confusing.

The RCYB is calling Randall Terry a 'thug" (which he is).
He is the founder/leader of "Operation Rescue" who has been harassing women and doctors at clinics that provide abortions.

The RCP was not attacking terri schiavo. But upholding her choice to control her own life (and death).

(Terry is a thug, not terri!)

When you repost all this, and when you email these quotes...
make sure you fix that... so it is clear!

[flyby]

I want to urge everyone reading this:

Take the post that Andrei started this thread with.

Email it to everyone you know.
Post it on other discussion groups.

We need to organize a real commnist presence -- right i nthe face of this Christian Fascists. We need to call them out, mobilize the millions of people who are horrified and scared of these developments.

And we need to help many many more people understand what is lying underneath this whole manufactured "crisis" -- what are they up to? What are their views? What is the connection between Terri Schiavo's feeding tube and the coming attack on abortion? How is it possible that Christian Fascist nuts like these have Congress and Bush passing a midnight bill overruling state law and state courts? What does such power show, and where will this lead (if we don't fucking stop it!)?

These is an important moment, and these Christian Fascists have revealed themselves -- and millions of people are saying WTF?

And we need to urgently and actively step into this moment of political interest.... and help them see these things more clearly, and help them get a sharp sense of a communist alternative (a communist morality, a communist future, a communist vision of how to get there!)

Let's be creative!

[DISTURBEDrbl911]

personally i think that this whole terri shiavo case is bull shit, and nothing more

[MeTaLhEaD]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 09:55 PM
personally i think that this whole terri shiavo case is bull shit, and nothing more


I agree, maybe its propaganda and at the end George Bush is gonna say.. she deserves to live and he will become a hero with all those dumb christians and the people from USA

kind of a setup just like de 9/11 attacks

[viva le revolution]

The Schiavo case is nothing but a photo-op for Bush who wants to come out looking like a champion of life and a vanguard of christian-fascist values.If he were so concerned about human life why the hell did he bomb an entire country based on lies put forward by the neo-cons of the empire who are the strength of the christian-fascist regime?

[flyby]

sunsara taylor spokewoman for the rcyb and debra sweet will beon hannity and combs on the fox channel tonight talking about the SChiavo case.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134671,00.html

uh don't miss it!

[LSD]

I think if there's one thing which this whole Shiavo controversy proves its that Bush does not control everything. This whole thing is terrible for Bush and for the Republicans in general. Although desperate to come across as defenders of "life" and secure their radical base, this is not the way to do it for them!

Don't you think it odd that they haven't interfered yet? The point is that they can't!! There is absolutely no legal way that the executive, or even really the legislative at this point, can intervene! But perhaps more importantly, most of America doesn't want them to. All oppinion polls show a decided majority of Americans in favour of letting the husband decide.

Therefore the two Bush administrations are faced with a choice of either pissing off their base and keeping America happy, or satisfying their base and pissing off America. This ie exactly what the right has been hoping to avoid. They like when they can focus on issues that both the far right and the moderate right agree on...

...like hating gay people.

[redstar2000]

I am very favorably impressed with Sunsara Taylor & Debra Sweet for their bold and imaginative confrontation with Christian fascist thugs like Randall Terry.

It may well be the first occasion when this phrase -- "Christian fascism" -- has appeared in the mainstream media.

These two young women may even have obtained for themselves a footnote in the history books.

Cheers for them! :D

It's interesting (to me) to speculate about some of the details.

I wonder, for example, if the Revolutionary Communist Youth Brigade or the RCP even knew in advance that these two women were going to do this. I have this "gut feeling" that they spontaneously took it upon themselves to act without bothering to ask for permission.

One indication: Ms. Taylor got the name of Bob Avakian's site wrong on her sign...not something you'd expect from someone who was really "down with the Chairman".

Another oddity: Ms. Taylor made a distinctly peculiar sign for herself -- "We need morality but not traditional morality". That really doesn't sound like something the RCP would have approved in advance (though I could be wrong about that, of course).

Meanwhile, I hope a lot of other lefties will learn from the actions of these two women. In America, Christian fascists are just as bad as Nazis or Klansmen...and there are a lot more of them!

It is long overdue for us to confront those bastards as vigorously as possible.

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[flyby]

i won't beat this to death....

But redstar: your assumption that anything good had to be spontaneous (and couldn't have been the action of an organized vanguard force) is an example of a prejudice that invents its own "facts."

In fact, all your speculations there are mistaken.

Sunsara is a spokesperson for the revolutionary communists. (Not some random person who just decided to do it.)

The statement on her poster is (a) appropriate, and (b) a title of a work by the main man. Why you think that would not be something the RCP would write on a poster is odd to me.

Anyway, i don't wanna beat it to death. But i do think people need to know that your post was mistaken.

facts matter, by the way.

[More Fire for the People]

While I disagree with the sanctioning of the murder of Terry Shiavo, I solute our comrades for taking such an idiot action against the right and doing nothing but waste air in the process.

Instead of holding a poster saying "Let Her Die", how 'bout holding a gun to a corporate fascist head or assisting the revolutionary situation in southern Mexico?

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by flyby+--> (flyby)The statement on her poster is (a) appropriate, and (b) a title of a work by the main man. Why you think that would not be something the RCP would write on a poster is odd to me.[/b]

Here is what I posted at Sunsara Taylor's blog...


redstar2000
I salute you and your friend for your bold and imaginative confrontation with the Christian fascist thugs in Florida.

But I'm very puzzled by the wording of the sign that you made -- "We need morality but not traditional morality."

I think people will find that very confusing...I know I did.

To me, it suggests that "morality" -- an arbitrary fixed code of behavior sanctioned by one or more mythological deities -- is something we "need"...just NOT the one we have now.

In confronting our enemies, I think we need to be careful not to grant their outlook any kind of "implied legitimacy".

Reactionaries have always flown the flag of "morality"...I think we need a very DIFFERENT WORD on our flags.

best wishes,

redstar2000

http://sunsara.blogspot.com/2005/03/cnn-sh...s.html#comments (http://sunsara.blogspot.com/2005/03/cnn-shot-of-sunsara-on-frontlines.html#comments)

So ok, why don't you explain why you think it's "appropriate".

Clarity matters.

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[refuse_resist]

:cool:

http://burning.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/sunsara_2.jpg

[Ian]

Good work, send congrats from us internet folk to them Andrei if you work with them.

I hope there is some footage shown of them on Aust. TV, we have had a similar (much smaller, with less blanket coverage) public debate on this issue and a radical left perspective would be a great relief to watching horrendously annoying (and ugly it would appear) christians with stupid little signs.

[UltraLeftGerry]

Just out of curiosity, though I may be looking in the wrong place to find someone who watches Hannity & Colmes around here :D but I was wondering if anyone saw it and could explain what happened. I'm not an RCP supporter by any stretch, but I'd like to see how Maoists (or any radicals for that matter) fare on Fox News. :P

[repeater138]

I didn't see it, but there will probably be information posted here in the not too distant future: http://www.sunsara.blogspot.com/

There are already some comments on it here: http://sunsara.blogspot.com/2005/03/sunsar...y.html#comments (http://sunsara.blogspot.com/2005/03/sunsara-speaks-out-on-fox-news-hannity.html#comments)

http://sunsara.blogspot.com/2005/03/im-goi...t.html#comments (http://sunsara.blogspot.com/2005/03/im-going-on-hannity-colmes-tonight.html#comments)

http://www.newshounds.us/2005/03/29/fox_st...ael_schiavo.php (http://www.newshounds.us/2005/03/29/fox_style_support_for_michael_schiavo.php)

[Matthew The Great]

The only Hannity & Colmes I get is when The Daily Show does that bit with 7 year olds reading scripts from the show. Hilarty.

Colmes is a spineless twerp.
Hannity is a jackass moron who shuts off anyone with an opposing view on his TV show and radio show.

[praxis1966]

I'm still having trouble figuring out why this is such an issue in the first place. People in their 80s and 90s get the plug pulled on them when they're terminally ill every day. For a time, I just thought these Christian blowhards were making such a big fuss because Shiavo is so young, but then I reminded myself of all the 20-somethings who recieved the same treatment because they were in a seemingly unrecoverable coma and would be brain dead even if they did recover (I'm referring to a friend's older brother here). The whole thing just mystifies me.

[flyby]

rely to redstar:

Just for fun, i will deliberately answer with a quote from our main man:


"From whatever vantage point one looks, it is unmistakable that there is what could be called `a moral crisis in America.' There has been, to a significant degree, `a breakdown of traditional morality,' But the answer to this--at least the answer that is in the interests of the majority of people in the U.S. and the overwhelming majority of humanity--is not a more aggressive assertion of that `traditional morality' but winning people to a radically different morality, in the process of and as a key part of radically transforming society and the world as a whole. It is not the tightening but the shattering of tradition's chains that is called for."

Bob Avakian


This is part of the point about "we need morality but not traditional morality"

we cant defeat them if the terms are "traditional morality vs immorality"

or if it is "traditional morality vs amorality"

or if it is "traditional morality vs moral relativism"

their arguments must be answered in that realm even as their political moves are answered in that political realm.

what is communist morality?

here is a place to start:

http://www.rwor.org/a/v20/980-89/981/moral1.htm

[workersunity]

seeing maoists on fox, would be hilarious, you know why, cause they wouldnt be on fox, noone would let them, also good for the RCP, at least someone is countering those fascist pieces of shit

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by Bob Avakian+--> (Bob Avakian)From whatever vantage point one looks, it is unmistakable that there is what could be called "a moral crisis in America." There has been, to a significant degree, "a breakdown of traditional morality."[/b]

Yes, it "could" be called that...or a whole lot of other things, I would imagine.

The Christian paradigm is taking a daily pounding...more as a by-product of scientific advances than because of any serious ideological struggle on our part.

I think that "moral crisis" is a very good thing.


Originally posted by [email protected]
But the answer to this--at least the answer that is in the interests of the majority of people in the U.S. and the overwhelming majority of humanity--is not a more aggressive assertion of that "traditional morality" but winning people to a radically different morality...

Curiouser and curiouser. The "common sense" definition of the word morality is a standard of "right conduct" commanded by a supernatural entity and imposed at gunpoint by its earthly representatives.

What is the origin of "the main man's" radically different morality? On what "holy book" is it based? And what are we now commanded to do or refrain from doing according to this "new revelation"?

You may find the use of this quasi-religious vocabulary objectionable...but these are the common words used to talk about this stuff.


flyby
we can't defeat [Christian fascists] if the terms are "traditional morality vs. immorality"

or if it is "traditional morality vs amorality"

or if it is "traditional morality vs moral relativism".

No, those words would not be the best choices. They would be equivalent to the people fighting for women's reproductive freedom accepting the framework of the Christian fascists and calling themselves "pro-death".

Instead, they call themselves pro-choice -- rejecting the Christian fascist framework altogether.

If Ms. Taylor had put on her sign: "We need civilized ethics...not traditional morality"...that would have removed the struggle from the Christian fascist framework very effectively.

Trying to make yourself appear "more moral" than the Christian fascists is, as I noted, just going to confuse people.

It's like trying to struggle against Nazism by proposing a radically different anti-semitism.

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[codyvo]

I've been to the hospice I live about 30 minutes from there. The people there are crazy, they all think god is going to intervene and save her and some other crazy crap.

The people seem nice to someone who knows nothing about them but if you read their signs they are complete whackjobs.

I hope that the hate against the Bush's that they have willl hopefully get them to run an even more conservative candidate than Jeb in 2008, yes I said more conservative than a Bush. This will kind of be the Ralph Nader of conservatives.

Living in Florida with a Bush president and governor really sucks.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

I find it very funny (and revealing) that you (rcp) refer to 'chairman bob' as 'the main man' because ALOT of religious fanatics I've come in contact with over the years use that same term when talking about God or Jesus(!)

[red_orchestra]

...here is one idea we must think about before pressing on. Pres. Bush spoke about the duty of American people to support the occupation of Iraq and the fighting...but then says Terri's life should be saved and as Bush says "always air on the side of life". In this brief moment Bush has stated indirectly that the slaughter of Iraqi men, women and children is nothing in comparison to 1 white American woman whos life is confined to a hospital bed. Bush is a complete hypocrit.

Bush uses Terri as a pawn in his ever increasingly dangerous game of chess. He will loose soon.

[h&s]

Isn't it a bit reactionary of the RCP to use this person's life as a pawn in their game of chess too? I support their demonsration, but isn't it wrong to get party-political about this sort of thing?

[RedAnarchist]

BBC News has just announced her death. This is one sad story - 14 years of being in a vegetative state. How could anyone think that she would want to live like that?

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by h&[email protected] 31 2005, 04:27 AM
Isn't it a bit reactionary of the RCP to use this person's life as a pawn in their game of chess too? I support their demonsration, but isn't it wrong to get party-political about this sort of thing?
You know that's been a traditional "criticism" of all communists -- that they (we) just "use" public issues and concerns to "advance our own agenda".

If so, then I'm guilty too...as is everyone here. Very few revolutionaries confine themselves to talking about communism or anarchism in the abstract...we spend a lot of time talking about concrete issues and how they illustrate the failures and injustices of the capitalist system.

I not only see nothing "wrong" with that...I think it's something that we have to do.

On the next occasion where Christian fascists make a public appearance, I think it would be terrific if there were a whole bunch of commies and anarchists to "greet" them...with a public ass-kicking. :D

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