Which is worse?

[RedAnarchist]

US - no nationalized health service, ruled by far-right Christian fundamentalists, imperialistic, belligerent, capitalist, mainly white males in government, aggressive, homeland of most multinational corporations, creators of the atomic bomb and perpetrators of millions of deaths in Asia, Africa, South America and the Caribbean.

UK - constitutional monarchy, gutless Premier, imperialistic, capitalistic, still occupies Northern Ireland, still has colonies, unelected house of Lords, heriditary titles, mainly white-males in government, institutionally rascist police force, rascism still a virus in many facets of society and so on.

Who is worse, in your opinion, and can you add anything else to these lists?

[Cokane]

As a person living in Belfast, to me personally, Britain is worse. We are gerrymandered in elections so the whole 6 counties of NI get a whopping 18 members of Parliament, out of 600 and something. Our culture and language is still oppressed by Unionists, who won't even let us put bi-lingual signage is a new leisure complex in a republican area. Things are a lot better than they used to be, but it is far from satisfactory! We have a sectarian police force, who won't police our areas, and republicans are blamed for everything that is wrong with this society, even though we are the ones who lose out the most.

[Colombia]

After seeing how the judicial branch was able to defend itselve here in the US, showing that republicans will not always get there way, I think Britain has it worst.

[bolshevik butcher]

Personally i'd say the U$, the uk while certainly not perfect, has for a start the welfare state and the NHS, and it's 'mainstream politics' is less right wing than in america.

[Prol]

Both are shit capitalist impirialist countries.

Though the USA is far worse because in the UK you do get some benefits for the poor/homeless etc

There is the NHS and things like JSA and housing benefit.



The USA pollutes far more and wont sign into the Koyoto agreement.

[RedLenin]

Definitely the US. No national health care. Plus it is the all mighty capitalist empire. Other countries are nothing in comparison. Here in the US your right to be free and even live is determined by the contents of your wallet.

[cubalibra]

Because of the power and resources of the USA, not only to be able to feed the hungry and clothe the naked in the US, but in the world, the US is worse.

[DISTURBEDrbl911]

i would say the us is probably worse, for if it was not for the us, the uk wouldn't be as bad as it is today....personally i feel that both governments are full corupt neo-conservative pigs

[marxist_socialist_aussie]

I would have to say the US is worse, as others have said, at least Britain has some welfare: the NHS for example and other benefits. Plus, I think one of the main reasons for the success of the right in many western nations is due to influence of the US. Britain does of course have some history of leftish social democratic policies. Plus, without the US, is highly unlikly that the UK would be doing any envading or even going into any wars.

[viva le revolution]

The united kingdom is yesterday's empire looking to hold on to it's imperialistic prestige by hanging on the coattails of the new "successor" of the empire title the united states.in my opinion both are equally dangerous.
The united kingdom and the united states are a single bloc and are merely extensions of the imperialistic tendencies inherent to both Capitalistic societies. Britain on one hand still holds colonies. This is the most basic sign of it's intention as concerning those states less fortunate and looks to reviving it's previous imperialistic prestige(proof of this is Britain's participation in the Iraq war without justification)
The united states on the other hand is a oligarch-driven empire looking to flex it's imperialistic muscles in front of weaker nations. It rather resembles a schoolyard bully threatening to take whatever it wants and not accountable to anyone, not even it's own oppressed classes who are free to live in squalor, any move to protest is unpatriotic. (proof of this is the u.s rejection of the international court of justice and the kyoto protocol). In other words U.s soldiers and citizens cannot be tried for crimes against humanity, although the U.S. is free to condemn whomever they want and while they are at it they can churn out as much carbon dioxide and monoxide in the air as they want!
However the imperialistic empire needs legitimacy in front of others to continue with it's pretence of self-righteousness for this it looks to the U.K
(who better to teach than the master?)proof of this is the joint venture in Iraq.
It is due to this imperialistic alliance that i would suggest that both are equally menacing. Afterall both fangs of a serpent are just as dangerous!

[Guerrilla22]

Back in the day it was the UK due to its invasion and colonization of half the world. Now a days the US is worst because everything that the UK does internationally is decided upon by the US governmnet. That is the UK has become a US puppet regime.

[More Fire for the People]

They are equally evil because they equally are capitalist regardless how many industries are owned by the state and how many wars they start.

[workersunity]

ya its subjective, and would take a lot of research to really find who is, although i think the US is, because they have the ability to do huge military operations that britain wouldnt

[Ell Carino]

I'd say the USA, for several reasons. Every President apart from two (Kennedy & Lincoln), have been Masons..... and the two that weren't got shot for going against the agenda of the powers that be. Plus the CIA are the biggest drug pushers on the globe.

Phile can you please elaborate on the racist police on Britain please?

[PTA]

Great, one of them is worse, but are they worse than lets say the ugandian dictator, stalin, hitler, yeltsin, verwoerd, mussolini, mugabe? hmm. It's very sad for me to say this, but truly and honestly they are the best for most people. We are better of under these governments than the above mentioned fuck ups. To me the us is worse. There government think they are the best (which is true) but it leads to many fucked up problems. They are greedy and don't give a rats arse about the well being of the people of the countries they, eg. invade. But living under these governments is much better than the others, true but very sadning!

[The Z-Man]

I beleive the U$ is worst, not only because of the exreme right polotics, but because the complete hypocracy of the republicrat. democrats or republicans, they are both tools of the multi-billion-mulit-national coporations, that establish extreme capitalism, comsumerism, corporateism, and materialism. Not to mention the prison or police system, the walking over of minorities, the weak inner-city schools, and censorship. Yes the UK has much of thee but not to the extent of the U$.

Who cares? They both suck.

[poppy7143]

The Uk while being somewhat of a wellfare state clings onto the Monarchy and opresses thousands. The US while being democratic state is way too arrogant thinking they can stomp around the world. They are both equally bad

[RedLenin]

The US is not democratic. In the US your freedom is determined by the contents of your wallet.

[poppy7143]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 02:18 AM
The US is not democratic. In the US your freedom is determined by the contents of your wallet.
Not always true while people like Bu$h have been born with a silver spoon up thier nose and become President others(Bill CLinton for example) have come from faily modest backrounds to become president

[Cal]

Once the monarchy goes the Uk will have no justification for hereditary peers, however a second chamber is needed in order to curb any new laws that a large majority party wanted to rush through,

The Lords stood up to Parliament recently on the 'home arrest' and imprisonment without trial issues and used it's power to good effect, which is no bad thing.

In the UK we have the NHS a health service which despite it's faults is owned by us 'the people' we have a free education system and though there are now top-up fees etc. those who cannot afford to pay don't have to, this education system again is owned by the people. We have the BBC a very powerful broadcaster again owned by the people, we have a house of commons determined by the votes of the people, (whilst I would personally like to see Proportional Representation it is still a directly elected government) answerable to the people, and it is an electoral system where you don't need to spend millions and millions to have a chance of being elected.

The UK has had a chequered history and continues to operate form almost a smug superiorty stand point, but one thing those in office in the UK have always done is learn form their mistakes and the UK despite all you have said has contributed a lot to the world and continues to do so.