Castro

[Free Spirit]

It’s been tree days ago since I’ve heard on the news about Fidel Castro being a multi millionaire and said to be proved on papers and not much more was said. While Cuba is being poor, Fidel’s hiding his money? Has anyone been fooled or was this something to expect? If this in anyway is true, he’s not a multi millionaire by being a worker. :ph34r:

[Kez]

maybe some details comrade? lol, would help.

[Paradox]

maybe some details comrade?

Forbes magazine included Fidel in it's list of the richest people in the world. If I remember correctly, they said he has something like $400 million. I heard about this from CNN. They gave no proof or sources for this claim when they mentioned it on CNN. Castro, they said was outraged.

[bed_of_nails]

Either this is a United States anti-Cuban propaganda scheme, or... the unthinkable. I am speechless. I would hope that Fidel would use 400 million to improve the living quality of his people.

[refuse_resist]

Coming from the mainstream capitalist press it's more than likely not true at all.

[Thomas]

They've probably calculated the value's of his possesions and twisted it into a big story about how he owns millions. It's quite easy to do.

[TheKwas]

However, I don't see any sources telling me that Castro lives on the same salary as your average solider or dishwasher.

Blind support for Castro isn't going to get you anywhere.

[Thomas]

He lives on the same rations of the rest of the people. And as for salaries I don't know how it works.

What remains as a fact is that Cuba is one of the greatest countries in the world statistically.

[redstar2000]

Forbes magazine does this shit every year...and every year some outraged individuals post here about it.

Castro, as far as I know, owns nothing but his salary as President of Cuba. He's certainly better off than other Cubans...he gets perks as president that other Cubans don't.

Compared to the CEO of even a medium-sized corporation in the U.S., Castro is practically a dumpster-diver.

Really, folks, where's your skepticism? When a reactionary publication prints some "scandalous revelation" about some progressive public figure...doesn't it occur to you that they might be lying?

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[Thomas]

That's what I just said!

[SpeCtrE]

I saw it too. Forbes including Fidel with the richest guys. When I first I almost believed it. I know Fidel has been accused of many things, But being a greedy capitalist scumbag takes the cake.

Anyhow, Just like what Redstar said, Since it came from the REACTIONARY press, I will take it as being a simple joke, There is no Proof or anything...

I think Fidel gave them the best answer when he said I am not Mobutu. Fidel is a true Hero.

[JustinG]

Originally posted by Free [email protected] 27 2005, 10:31 PM
It’s been tree days ago since I’ve heard on the news about Fidel Castro being a multi millionaire and said to be proved on papers and not much more was said. While Cuba is being poor, Fidel’s hiding his money? Has anyone been fooled or was this something to expect? If this in anyway is true, he’s not a multi millionaire by being a worker. :ph34r:
It's pretty obvious that Castro does not have such a fortune.

One look at the Capialist magazine (Forbes i belive?) who put the numbers out is enough to basically disprove such accusations.

[chebol]

Actually, this libel appeared for the first time last year. Fidel is currently looking into the possibility of suing "Forbes magazine" for libel and slander.


Also:

GRANMA INTERNATIONAL
Havana. March 23, 2005

Fidel's fortune

BY HECTOR ARTURO—Granma daily staff writer—

SOME of those made-in-the-USA slanderous articles, the sort
that circulate on newspaper stands around the world and
describe it in their image and likeness, are once again
attacking Fidel Castro by publishing fabulous figures
related to his "personal fortune," given that they actually
think they can keep fooling all of the people all of the
time.

But don't be fooled by those fairy tales, no sir, because
out of the experience acquired by this people over the last
46 years, I can safely say to you that all the winds that
blow from the North smell rotten.

Nevertheless, I would be so bold as to assure you that
Fidel is truly the richest man in the world, although his
riches cannot be measured in dollars, in annual income any
other financial or stock indicator.

Fidel's immeasurable fortune is rooted in knowing that he
has always had the support of the immense majority of a
people proud of having as president and head of state a man
who has fought without rest or respite from his youth for
the genuine social justice deserved by billions of this
chaotic world's poorest people.

His fortune, sir, consists of sleeping very little and
dreaming a lot, and employing all of his inexhaustible
energies, molded by his strength of courage and
determination, to make all of those dreams come true, one
after another.

Yes, Fidel is the richest man on the planet because, in a
small country, he has been able to achieve the reality that
jobs, health, education, culture, sports and social
security are the privileges of all Cubans, not just a few,
and are not unattainable pipe dreams as they are in most
countries that have not had to suffer constant threats and
terrorist aggressions, nor the most prolonged, genocidal
blockade ever known in history.

Yes, it is true that he has real and colossal treasures
hidden away in his coffers: he took heaven by storm on a
July morning, with bird-hunting shotguns, and then after
the setback, reinitiated José Martí's struggle that was cut
short by the Yankees in 1898 by making it possible for the
mambise fighters to enter Santiago as the liberating forces
in January 1959.

Shortly afterwards, he personally led, from the frontlines
of combat – as he always has, does and will continue to do
– the first great defeat of Yankee imperialism in our
America, when his beloved people defeated the mercenaries
at the Bay of Pigs.

He did not tremble, and he taught us not to tremble in face
of the nuclear holocaust that hung over our heads during
the 1962 October Crisis, and the following year, once again
risking his life for those of his compatriots, he faced the
violent winds and rains of Hurricane Flora, because he has
never abandoned anyone to their fate – neither his comrade
from the Granma who fell overboard; nor those who have lost
their homes in natural disasters; nor the athlete who was
hurt in an accident at home; nor little Elián, who was
kidnapped by the Miami mafia; nor the five Cuban heroes
imprisoned in Yankee dungeons for combating terrorism in
the very jaws of the real terrorists.

Fidel also possesses the immense fortune of having achieved
the monolithic unity of his people under the banners of
socialism, proclaimed by him before a sea of workers,
campesinos, students, men, women and little more than
children with rifles in hand – one of whom, before being
killed by Yankee shrapnel, wrote Fidel's name with his own
blood.

If only, sir, all of the peoples of the world had – at
least for one day in their bitter lives – a president like
Fidel, who doesn't make promises, but keeps them; who
doesn't offer, but gives; who doesn't torture or
assassinate or disappear people, but saves them, helps
them, cures them, protects them and defends them tooth and
nail.

The president's true fortune is based on knowing what each
of his people's problems are, in confronting them and
seeking a solution, with everyone and for everyone, without
any exceptions, to the benefit not only those who support
and follow him unconditionally, but also those who have
greater resources, obtained in all kinds of ways, and
including those who receive their mercenary crumbs by
selling their souls to the sickening and brutal devil of
the North who despises us.

But Fidel has another fortune, and it is that of having
shown the way for his people to internalize the maxim of
our national hero that "the homeland is humanity," and be
capable of sharing in solidarity what they possess with
other human beings in the world who have less or nothing.

Believe whatever you want, sir, but billions of people in
every geographical latitude will pay no attention
whatsoever to those rotten, slanderous libels, because they
know very well that Fidel has lived for his people and for
all of the peoples of the world, willing since day one to
die for them and with them on the frontline of combat, and
not hiding out in a bunker in the fashion of Hitler or Mr.
W, because for many years now, with the great riches of his
example, he has cast his lot with the poor of the Earth,
and has demonstrated that he is – among other things – the
president of all of the lowly, and that is an immense
personal fortune indeed.

[Severian]

Yeah, Forbes calculated this fake number based on various Cuban state assets they arbitrarily considered to belong to Castro personally.

[Colombia]

Yes they somehow think the state and Castro are the same thing.

[bolshevik butcher]

Wouldn't surprise me really. However fidel doesn't live the same as other cubans. I don't actually know what cuba's like, has anyone actually been there, in theory it sound ood, but my question si can someone actually be ruler of cuba apart from fidel, iwthin the current system?

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Why would it not suprise you?


but my question si can someone actually be ruler of cuba apart from fidel, iwthin the current system?

What?

[marxist_socialist_aussie]

one of the daily newspapers over here ran with an article about Fidel being a multi-millionare, it based it on the state owned capital as well. Simply sounds like cappie-shit really, doesn't seem to have any actual basi.s

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Of course not. But then again, how much do they EVER say that has basis in fact?

[cubalibra]

They need to investigate how much the Bush family has stashed away in swiss bank accounts instead.

[viva le revolution]

Castro is a revolutionary at heart and any criticism of him has to be backed up by proof. Until the capitalist media offers this it would not change my support of Castro.
Needless to say this may be another lie hatched by imperialist vipers. They have already accused him of everything under the sun!
p.s. must we believe this information from a publication that glorifies Oligarchs?

[Black Radical]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 03:02 AM
Forbes magazine does this shit every year...and every year some outraged individuals post here about it.

Castro, as far as I know, owns nothing but his salary as President of Cuba. He's certainly better off than other Cubans...he gets perks as president that other Cubans don't.

Compared to the CEO of even a medium-sized corporation in the U.S., Castro is practically a dumpster-diver.

Really, folks, where's your skepticism? When a reactionary publication prints some "scandalous revelation" about some progressive public figure...doesn't it occur to you that they might be lying?

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You beat me to it. What the hell is going on? Why are revolutionary leftists assuming that some bourgeois rag is telling the truth about Castro? Why is this even being considered as truth? Forbes magazine?

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

If this article is correct, then it proves what I've always said about Castro. He's the Machiavellian prince. But damn, $400 million?! Shiiiittt, you know how much poverty could be ended in Cuba if he gave a good chunk of that to the people?

You know what's weird...in a documentary Oliver Stone did on him entitled, 'Commandante', he showed a shot of Fidel's shoes. They were black nike runners.

Can anyone tell me why Fidel would support Nike?! Please, I really do want to know.

I'm sure with $400 million in the bank, he can get specially designed shoes where the workers aren't exploited...you know, the same ppl he fought the entire revolution for.

[SpeCtrE]

maybe Forbes Calculated the whole net worth of Cuban State.. and since Fidel is a leader there, He owns it.

Cuba should be more worth than 400 million.

[Cokane]

Maybe they just calculated state owned firms, not the entire turnover for Cuba itself.

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 09:43 PM
Why would it not suprise you?


but my question si can someone actually be ruler of cuba apart from fidel, iwthin the current system?

What?
You lot are always going on about cuba being a democracy, so could someone other than fidel take power in cuba, using the system of democracy that is in place?

[Severian]

Yes. If enough people voted for someone else. Which is unlikely, Fidel's very popular.

Some Miami radio talk show host assholes pulled a prank of calling a funeral parlor in Havana to order a coffin for Fidel; they were a little discomfited when the guy answering the phone started crying 'cause he thought Fidel was dead.

[seraphim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 05:26 PM
maybe Forbes Calculated the whole net worth of Cuban State.. and since Fidel is a leader there, He owns it.

Cuba should be more worth than 400 million.
They did. They included the wealth of all the state owned businesses in cuba and presumed that all that wealth is held by Castro as the head of state. He was disgusted by this and has threatened to sue Forbes over these claims.

[ComradeChris]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2005, 09:45 PM
They've probably calculated the value's of his possesions and twisted it into a big story about how he owns millions. It's quite easy to do.
They actually calculated the fact that he technically owns the country. That's how they came up with that number. It's essentially a way of twisting numbers to achieve the dirty propaganda the US loves.

[Spartacus2002]

i really hope this is not true but we cannot deny that humans are inherently greedy... but i personally do not believe it i think its possible but i think Castro is a better man than that

[SpeCtrE]

Forbes are into such a thing I guess. they get sued every year... Fidel was the lucky candidate this year.

Not much to worry about, comrades

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 12:54 PM
Yes. If enough people voted for someone else. Which is unlikely, Fidel's very popular.

Some Miami radio talk show host assholes pulled a prank of calling a funeral parlor in Havana to order a coffin for Fidel; they were a little discomfited when the guy answering the phone started crying 'cause he thought Fidel was dead.
that's good to know, now i actually feel cuba is scoially progressive.

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 06:27 PM
Forbes are into such a thing I guess. they get sued every year... Fidel was the lucky candidate this year.

Not much to worry about, comrades
Why would Fidel sue Forbes? You'd think of all the slander said by various corporations and countries like the US, he'd just brush it off...

Maybe he really is worth $400 million, hence a touchy subject for himself. Hah.