cloning - good or bad?

[Lefty]

another hot topic. im supportive of it, much like abortion: only in selected cases. For example, when war cannot be avoided. opinions, anyone?

[sickdiscobiscuit]

the only way cloning would be good, as if they cloned Lenin and Che...

[Ian]

My dads into all that cloning stuff, he's cloning the tasmanian tiger for his work (Australian museum) at the moment

[Borincano]

Cloning humans? I think it would be dumb, lol. First of all, what would be the point?

Some people say it's for adoption purposes. (People always use humanitarian excuses to do something evil, lol.) What, black and latino babies aren't for your liking enough? Want to clone nice white ones so that rich caucasion families won't have to go to Romania or China to adopt their kids? LOL!

Even cloning past figures, such as Ché or Ghandi, wouldn't do much, because genes don't exactly create a unique personality. If that was so, then natural clones, such as identical twins, who have the exact genetic make-up, would just be robots with the same mentality. Yes, there are twins who act very similar, but they are still different people. That would be the clones of Ghandi, they would look exactly alike, but won't be exactly alike.

Some will say, well twins are clones and there are people in this world who are identical to others, why can't we do the same in a lab? Well, those twins are created naturaly, why do we have to do it in a lab?

There is no benefit to human cloning. Cloning a heart or lung could be of benefit, so people won't have to wait until an organ donor dies to receive a transplant of some sort. That would benefit humanity, and that's the true goal of science.

[man in the red suit]

I'm with borincano on this one. What's the point? Cloning would serve no purpose. It would almost be harmful and frightening. Would you really like to have a clone of yourself? It's just like having a twin. there is really no need for cloning. Cloning body parts and organs would be much more useful.

[Lefty]

i am too. cloning would inevitably end up hurting people instead of helping them

[Nateddi]

cloning is a risky slippery slope, and a very slippery one too.

I am for banning all genetic tempering. And no medical use cloaning of own tissue until a single-payer system is made.

[man in the red suit]

single-payer system?

[Anonymous]

Im in favour of cloning up until it reaches the point where individuals are cloned. But technically no clone can exist because from the moment of their creation their experiences will differ from their subject therefore not being a perfect clone.
Thats my moment of philosophy for today

[Borincano]

Again, Funky Monk, what would be the point of cloning an individual anyway?

[Anonymous]

I dont advocate cloning humans but it could be adopted by governments for cloning people with positive characteristics, for example a strong loyal worker might be cloned to provide a higher quality work force

[Borincano]

Quote: from Funky Monk on 4:26 am on Aug. 18, 2002
I dont advocate cloning humans but it could be adopted by governments for cloning people with positive characteristics, for example a strong loyal worker might be cloned to provide a higher quality work force

You contradicted yourself. I thought you wrote no perfect clone could be created. Which is true. I wrote just about the same. Like, if you cloned Ghandi, you wouldn't exactly get a Ghandi like person in the clone. They would look identical, but their personalities and view of the world would be very different. So cloning a good worker would't neccessarily mean you will get another good worker. Just an identical copy of the original in facial and body features. That clone might very well be a bum, lol.

Heres that quote of yours:


Quote: from Funky Monk on 7:30 am on Aug. 17, 2002
But technically no clone can exist because from the moment of their creation their experiences will differ from their subject therefore not being a perfect clone.
Thats my moment of philosophy for today

[Anonymous]

It wouldnt be a perfect clone but another being with the potential to be like its sole parent. The thing with cloning is that your going to get a much better match with one parent than with two. Hence favourable characteristics will have a much higher chance of being maintained

[Conghaileach]

Any individual born naturally has the potential to become a hard worker, just the same as a clone would.

[Anonymous]

But genetic traits could be found which would be favourable for an employer

[Borincano]

Quote: from Funky Monk on 4:33 am on Aug. 19, 2002
It wouldnt be a perfect clone but another being with the potential to be like its sole parent. The thing with cloning is that your going to get a much better match with one parent than with two. Hence favourable characteristics will have a much higher chance of being maintained


I don't believe everything counts on your genes. Environment and it's morals, ethics...etc is also important. If you clone a Japanese worker and then raise the child in the USA, it's productivity might not be as good as the original. Anyway, I rather have the real thing. Creating another human being in a lab whose sole purpose is to provide for you, isn't something we should tamper with. Would you want to be that clone?

[Anonymous]

Not everything is dependant on genes but i do believe that some aspects of a person which could be benificial are dictated by their genes therefore cloning could be used to create a work force all containing these beneficail genes making them much more efficeint than those without.

I dont know why im saying this, as ive already stated im not in favour of human cloning

[deadpool 52]

Very misunderstood, however there already is an over-population problem.

[hawarameen]

We have to remember that we are talking about people here not robots. To talk about cloning someone because they work hard is a bit sickening.

There are millions of people all over the world looking for work who have no money to feed themselves and people are talking about how cloning is good!!!, i dont get it.

As for the scientific breakthrough argument, that is the biggest pile of poo i have ever heard, there is one reason and one reason alone for people wanting to clone humans and that is for fame, being the first person to do it.

We all know that if it is not possible now it certainly will be very soon, if we know we CAN do it why bother with going through the tests and producing HUMANS with abnormalities etc. until EUREKA yes we did it.... SO WHAT.

[Mazdak]

wwe should create robots to do meanial tasks(spelling).

[Anonymous]

Why? Then someone will complain about robot's rights

[deadpool 52]

I believe that they want to be called "replicants." http://www.bladegash.net/forums/images/smilies/newlaugh.gif

As long as we do not fuck with A. I. we should be fine.

[Nickademus]

ok human cloning......no point really.....we don't need more humans on this earth because we are already killing it. we've fucked with mother nature ...and cloning is a continuation of that. sure it would help people live longer but in the long run it will just fuck us over...there will be a food shortage, a water shortage everything.

there is a reason there are epidemics and plagues etc. in this world, to try and keep the balance of the earth. we as humans keep fucking with it. funny how when we cure something another disease etc. pops up. that's because mother nature is trying to warn us and we wont' listen. its disturbing. we as humans simply need to learn how to live and be happy and healthy while we are alive rather than spending our lives trying to prevent and prolong the inevitable.

[LOIC]

I agree with Nickademus.
Moreover the scientists use the cloning but they don't know the future consequences.
Their only goal is the glory and not to look after patients.
I think the cloning is a threat and it will not be beneficial
to humans.