National Bolshevism

[rice349]

While many of you know, the term "national socialism" gets intertwined with socialist/communist rhetoric and then used by Americans too ignorant to even do a google search to distiguish the two, causes many anti-communists to create completely false arguments labeling Hitler's atrocities as "crimes of socialism."

Apparently, an ideology created out of perversions of Russian Bolshevism, the political philosophy known as "National Bolshevism" seems to want to combine the resources of Bolshevik communism and blatant fascism for the sole purpose of creating a "Greater Russia."

The National Bolsheviks, whose origins began with a number of White soldiers during the Russian Civil War who joined the Bolsheviks not to strengthen the cause of the workers, but to manipulate into their own reactionary form of ideology that calls for a reunification of Russia and Europe (Eurasia) and expound a policy that is quite similar to those of Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy.

National Bolshevism, while not openly religious, is however very tolerant to reactionary practices instilled by the Russian Orthodox Church, and with the advocacy of issues such as free trade, are strictly Bolshevik in NAME ONLY. Among their twisted ideology is the belief in expanding Lenin's N.E.P., while also believing in Mussolini's corporatism.

[Xvall]

"National Bolshevism".

What was Bolshevism again? A theory of international revolutionary initiative? So that makes it "National Internationalism". Pretty damn illogical, if you ask me.

I'm all with you rice. These people are idiots.

I believe someone else on this board, however, stated that they were "useful idiots", quoting a former Soviet Primier. They would do well to act as cannon fodder.

[Zingu]

"National Bolshevism is an ideology that attempts to combine elements of fascism and stalinism. Influenced heavily by the idea of geopolitics, National Bolshevism seeks a merger between Russia and the rest of Europe in a union to be known as Eurasia. The ideology claims a direct link to Hegel, whom it presents as the father of idealism. In addition, it is fiercely anti-American in tone. It is also highly traditionalist in the mould of Julius Evola. Economically the National Bolsheviks seek to marry the New Economic Policy of Vladimir Lenin to the Corporatism of Benito Mussolini.

National Bolshevism as an intellectual movement claims to have its roots in World War I Germany, where nationalist writers such as Ernst Niekisch and Ernst Junger were prepared to tolerate the spread of communism as long as it took on the clothes of nationalism and abandoned its world-wide mission (an idea which seemed abhorent to the communists themselves). Meanwhile, in Russia, as the civil war dragged on, a number of prominent "Whites" switched to the Bolshevik side because they saw it as the only hope for restoring greatness to Russia. Amongst these was Professor Nikolai Ustrialov, initially an anti-communist, who came to believe that Bolshevism could be modified to serve nationalistic purposes. His followers, the Smenavekhites (named after a series of articles he published in 1921 Smena vekh or "Change of Landmarks"), came to regard themselves as National Bolsheviks, borrowing the term from Niekisch. Stalin's idea of "socialism in one country" was seen as a victory by the National Bolsheviks.

In Western parlance, the term "National Bolshevism" has, on occasion, been applied to Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn and his brand of opposition to communism. However, strictly speaking, Solzhenitsyn cannot be labeled a National Bolshevik since, whilst he was not anti-authoritarian, he wished a revival of Russian culture that would see a greater role for the Russian Orthodox Church and a withdrawal of Russia from its role overseas into a state of international isolationism. Solzhenitsyn and the vozrozhdentsy (or "revivalists" as his followers became known) thus differed from the National Bolsheviks who were not religious in tone (although not completely hostile either) and who felt that involvement overseas was important for the prestige and power of Russia.

Amongst the leading practitioners and theorists of National Bolshevism are Thomas Sutter, Aleksandr Dugin and Eduard Limonov, who leads the National Bolshevik Party in Russia. The movement also likes to claim Otto Strasser as a disciple."

They're gaining strength as well.


I mean look at their fucking flag; it is so obvious they borrowed some from the Nazis:

http://www.folkandfaith.com/images/natbolsh1.jpg

[rice349]

What was Bolshevism again? A theory of international revolutionary initiative? So that makes it "National Internationalism". Pretty damn illogical, if you ask me.

i didn't even see this completley obvious display of the complete incoherency of these people in their contradictions of their own ideology. These people are absolutely pathetic.

[bolshevik butcher]

Sounds stupid and illogical, you cannot have socialism in one country. And these poele just sound like faciasts anyway.

[Cokane]

They are just fascists who aim to attract support from the sector of the Russian popualtion who still have romantic memories of the communist era, just as Hitler wooed workers with the 'socialism' in National socialism, this is a pathetic attempt at attracting support from across the political spectrum.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

you cannot have socialism in one country.

How so?

[rice349]

Yes i'd like to see an explanation as to why you cannot have socialism in one country? THere is a HUGE difference between national bolshevism (or national socialism) and socialism in one country...

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

Yeah, over at the Soviet-Empire forums the NazBols are a big problem... their rhetoric is insane, especially since they try to twist things to say that Russians are an oppressed people and that Russia is a nation kept down by imperialism :rolleyes:

Check out some of their insane crap (my debate with a National Bolshevik from Latvia):
http://www.soviet-empire.com/ussr/viewtopi...er=asc&start=25 (http://www.soviet-empire.com/ussr/viewtopic.php?t=33983&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=25)