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Dr. Rosenpenis
27th March 2005, 00:21
So this native American nazi kid in Minesota killed some of his classmates and then himself.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1443462,00.html

Non-Sectarian Bastard!
27th March 2005, 00:37
An addition:

The wiki article on this. It contains among others a list of victims and his posts on nazi.org.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Lake_High_School_massacre

Dr. Rosenpenis
27th March 2005, 01:11
great link, thanks!
I read the thread on nazi.org. Lot's of fucking crazy kids.

barret
27th March 2005, 02:06
Correct me if I'm wrong, but is "Native American Nazi" an Oxymoron?

Dr. Rosenpenis
27th March 2005, 02:17
Kind of, yes.
Most National Socialists today believe in mass racial segregation. Since their race is best, it shouldn't necessarily wipe out the other ones, just keep them out of the way. It all has to do with an insurmountable amount of racial and ethnic pride. This kid, for example hates the influence that Jews and blacks have had on the American Indian culture.

LSD
27th March 2005, 02:31
Most National Socialists today believe in mass racial segregation. Since their race is best, it shouldn't necessarily wipe out the other ones, just keep them out of the way.

Hitler is spinning in his grave. :lol:


This kid, for example hates the influence that Jews and blacks have had on the American Indian culture.

um...what about the whites that actually .... killed his people?

Dr. Rosenpenis
27th March 2005, 02:37
Well, it's probably a bit hard to convince others and themselves that killing all members of all other races is the right way.

barret
27th March 2005, 02:59
Originally posted by Lysergic Acid [email protected] 27 2005, 02:31 AM


um...what about the whites that actually .... killed his people?
He did complain of the fact that many "people tried to act black" which I guess could be any one from any race.

The Apathetic Atheist
27th March 2005, 03:20
When I saw on TV that there was another school shooting my immediate reaction was to shout "YES!" and do a little victory dance.

Dr. Rosenpenis
27th March 2005, 03:23
do explain your excitment with the murder of civilians

The Apathetic Atheist
27th March 2005, 05:06
I feel that the systems in the country I live in (The United States of America) are disguised methods to keep people down, and in their own chains. I believe in school as a sort of prison. I am not able to leave of my own free will if I wish to. I am not able to leave my house of my own free will if I wish to. I will be required to pay taxes, and if I am not able to be reached to pay those taxes I will be sought, arrested, fined, and/or jailed.

I think that school shootings are a healthy thing that I hope occur more often. I look forward to more of them in the future. The people that died were obviously not too smart, and they were probably all religious (minus perhaps the grandparents), so I feel that their death is a good thing. Though it is unfortunate that this young man Jeff was only able to kill nine before he himself was forced to kill himself.

RedLenin
27th March 2005, 05:22
Originally posted by The Apathetic [email protected] 27 2005, 05:06 AM
I feel that the systems in the country I live in (The United States of America) are disguised methods to keep people down, and in their own chains. I believe in school as a sort of prison. I am not able to leave of my own free will if I wish to. I am not able to leave my house of my own free will if I wish to. I will be required to pay taxes, and if I am not able to be reached to pay those taxes I will be sought, arrested, fined, and/or jailed.

I think that school shootings are a healthy thing that I hope occur more often. I look forward to more of them in the future. The people that died were obviously not too smart, and they were probably all religious (minus perhaps the grandparents), so I feel that their death is a good thing. Though it is unfortunate that this young man Jeff was only able to kill nine before he himself was forced to kill himself.
:huh: You LIKE school shootings?! You support the murder of innocent students? School shootings are terrible. They not only take lives, but also create harsher security measures in school. Now they might bring back metal detectors and back pack searches etc. By the way, do you believe the death of all religious people is a good thing? Of course it is not. I do not wish to kill unless I have no other option (ie defense). Not only are you supporting killing, you are supporting the killing of innocent students.

Paradox
27th March 2005, 05:25
Either you've got a really sick sense of humor, and this is a stupid joke, or, you're a severely demented person. I hope it's the former.


I feel that the systems in the country I live in (The United States of America) are disguised methods to keep people down, and in their own chains. I believe in school as a sort of prison.

Yes.


I think that school shootings are a healthy thing that I hope occur more often.

NO. Again, please tell me you're not serious.


The people that died were obviously not too smart, and they were probably all religious (minus perhaps the grandparents), so I feel that their death is a good thing.

You're a seriously troubled person if you believe that. I don't even know how to respond to such insanity. I'm pretty much speechless.


Though it is unfortunate that this young man Jeff was only able to kill nine before he himself was forced to kill himself.

Yes, let's just shoot up everyone who's religious or "obviously not smart."
That'll definately solve all our problems. All out murder. Slaughter the people who are ignorant, instead of opening their eyes to the truth and winning them over to our side. That's definately the way to go. :rolleyes:

Dr. Rosenpenis
27th March 2005, 05:35
I'm sorry kid, but socialism is not about killing everyone with whom we disagree. These kids did nothing but live within the system, they cannot be held accountable for its injustices. They probably agreed with its basic morals and values, but (1) we cannot assume that and (2) we don't kill people for tolerating the system. Yes, tolerance for capitalism is bad, but does not warrant murder. We're not out to kill the victims.

Thomas
27th March 2005, 05:39
Ignoring the sadist ^

Anyone else notice that kid listened to John Lennon and Johnny Cash? Ironic...

The Apathetic Atheist
27th March 2005, 05:40
I completely reject the idea that I should feel bad about these school shootings. I had nothing to do with them occuring, and since they do not have any negative effects on me, I think they are a good thing. I feel that it is hopeless to open the eyes of those who insist on being blind. Murder and violence are simply the only things that will get the message across.

I could compare it to training a dog. A dog is not going to understand anything you say to him, but when you shove its nose in shit and throw it outside it starts to understand that shitting indoors is not a good idea.

I do believe that most of the people who die in school shootings deserve it. I am constantly trying to raise the self esteem of people who are constantly picked on for living differently. It is a very difficult task to do alone. I am much less heartless then my words would make me appear. Just because I say what I mean, does not mean I am evil. I am not putting on a show, this is honestly how I feel.

I do agree, however that there should be an attempt at educating people before you kill them...though it seems if they could not figure it out for themselves by the time they reached high school, they probably never will.

Do you think that Jeff just randomly shot people? I do not think he would have shot someone who talked to him and carried an intelligent conversation. No one he shot was capable of an intelligent conversation, most obviously.

Let me make something clear to you, I would NEVER kill anyone...(unless I was somehow forced to, in self defense).

Thomas
27th March 2005, 05:44
Do you think that Jeff just randomly shot people?

Yes, you think he conducted a survey on each one to decide whether they deserved to live?

And I'm not giving the rest of your post any more attention. Respect for being honest though.

The Apathetic Atheist
27th March 2005, 05:48
You know, to shed light on the issue of honesty I would like to say that...

If it helped a politician get elected, he would probably eat ten babies if he could get away with it. Though he would never say so, it is something he has in him.

LSD
27th March 2005, 06:01
I completely reject the idea that I should feel bad about these school shootings. I had nothing to do with them occuring, and since they do not have any negative effects on me, I think they are a good thing.

That's the most disturbed logic I have ever heard.

Just because something "didn't have a negative effect on [you]", you think its "good"?

I'm sure the Armenian Genocide "didn't have a negative effect on [you]", so are you a fan?


Do you think that Jeff just randomly shot people?

Yes.


I do not think he would have shot someone who talked to him and carried an intelligent conversation.

And you know this from your many in depth conversations with him?

He was clearly psychologically distrubed. His family says that he was severely depressed. There is no evidence that he was thinking rationally at all. So on what basis do you think that he made a logical determination on who was to live or die.


No one he shot was capable of an intelligent conversation, most obviously.

Clearly you understand nothing about school shootings.

Even if all your "theories" were correct, and Jeff did "think out" his victims, when someone is shooting up a school, many are killed accidently.

Wrong place, wrong time, bad aim, crossfire, richochet, missfire, passthrough...

It happens in war, and this kid was far from a professional.

Your arrogance is shocking. That you, knowing nothing about the details, would decalre that "No one he shot was capable of an intelligent conversation" is disgusting and pathetic.


I do believe that most of the people who die in school shootings deserve it.

This statement speaks for itself.

I'm truly appaled.


I am not putting on a show, this is honestly how I feel.

That's the scariest part.

I believe you.

Dr. Rosenpenis
27th March 2005, 06:09
Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2005, 12:39 AM
Ignoring the sadist ^

Anyone else notice that kid listened to John Lennon and Johnny Cash? Ironic...
Yes! And he hated communists. :lol:

The Apathetic Atheist
27th March 2005, 06:13
You know, I would never murder someone (with an exception for self defense), though I still have the opinion that death is not always a bad thing.

I see your point on several things you posted, and I agree...and retract the statements I made to cause your outrage on those, though there are a few exceptions.

I believe that the enviroment in which his depression or clouded mental state was developed is a direct result of him being in school (a form of prison) and having to deal with people that did not treat him justly.

Again, if you had talked to that boy and given him respect, when it came to that day I do not believe he would have shot you...hell, he may not even have shot anyone.

Dr. Rosenpenis
27th March 2005, 06:19
Okay, he was certainly oppressed. Probably by school, which I agree with you is very oppressive, and probably also oppressed as a Native American.
The 9/11 hijackers were also oppressed. The movements against American imperialism in the Middle east is very much a movement of oppressed against the oppressor, but this does not warrant the murder of innocents.
Okay, you're angry. I can understand. But think before you condone killing people for being rude to a nazi. I probably would have beaten the little shit up myself. He was a fucking nazi!

The Apathetic Atheist
27th March 2005, 06:24
He posted on Nazi.org a year ago. I do not think you can assume he was a Nazi.

When I see a school, I see a prison in disguise. The teachers can be extremely opressive and power happy. Some teachers will yell for no reason. If people do not like the way you look, talk, and act they will treat you like shit. Then you will start to believe it yourself. I have realized this, and so just to attain respect from others I have to watch what I say and how I act and even how I dress, it is a load of crap...

LSD
27th March 2005, 06:25
Again, if you had talked to that boy and given him respect, when it came to that day I do not believe he would have shot you..

Given him respect for what?

His hero was fucking Adolf Hitler!!!


I believe that the enviroment in which his depression or clouded mental state was developed is a direct result of him being in school (a form of prison) and having to deal with people that did not treat him justly.

Maybe, maybe not.

Neither of us has enough information to know either way. But I do know that regardless it does not justify what he did.


I agree...and retract the statements I made to cause your outrage on those, though there are a few exceptions.

Which are?

Do you still "dance" when you hear of the deaths of children?
Do you still feel that the victims must of been stupid or ignorant?
Do you still feel that "most of the people who die in school shootings deserve it"!?!?

Which of your statements do you not "retract"?


When I see a school, I see a prison in disguise. The teachers can be extremely opressive and power happy. Some teachers will yell for no reason.

Oh, how tragic. He was "yelled at". I guess he was justified in MASS MURDER then.


If people do not like the way you look, talk, and act they will treat you like shit. Then you will start to believe it yourself. I have realized this, and so just to attain respect from others I have to watch what I say and how I act and even how I dress, it is a load of crap...

Yeah, high school sucks.

Get over it, see a therapist, fight for school reform.

DO NOT commit mass murder!!!

Dr. Rosenpenis
27th March 2005, 06:28
this kid was by all accounts a "native american national socialist". (his own words)
I agree with you that school is oppressive. High Schoolers can be total ****s. You're right.
But this kid is not just a victim.
He was a nazi. He brought it upon himself. I would have given him nothing but shit. He would have deserved it.

And when you let everyone know that you're a nazi and therefore hate Jews, communists, leftists, blacks, and the Polish, then you expect to get picked on. He knew what he was doing. He wasn't just another kid failing to conform. He was a fucking prick.

Raisa
27th March 2005, 07:43
Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2005, 02:17 AM
It all has to do with an insurmountable amount of racial and ethnic pride. This kid, for example hates the influence that Jews and blacks have had on the American Indian culture.
:D Thats stupid. I think its pretty clear that WHITES were the ones who had the bad influence on native american culture. Hes gonna get smacked in jail by somebody for that one.....

SgtPepper369
27th March 2005, 07:53
I'm sure you commend the Halocaust, since Hitler believed germany was being held back by the jews? Ohh and I agree those kids were deffinentaly retahted for getting shot :blink: what the sam hill is your problem boy?

School shootings are the workings of cowards who couldn't survive the "torture" of being picked on in highschool. This kid dug his own grave he's a fecking Nazi... a minority nazi at that. My advice to the bastard would be "follow your leader... don't take it out on everyone else". So this kid enters my book of historys greatest cowards, along with Kinkle, Harris, Klebold, and Cobain.

NovelGentry
27th March 2005, 08:03
Thats stupid. I think its pretty clear that WHITES were the ones who had the bad influence on native american culture. Hes gonna get smacked in jail by somebody for that one.....

Probably not since he committed suicide after.

The Apathetic Atheist
27th March 2005, 08:19
I always think suicide is a pretty damn well stupid thing to do...

Xvall
27th March 2005, 08:50
Nazis are not human beings. It's a shame that he wasn't the first one to go. Perhaps then this would be regarded as a wonderful incedent, and not a tragic one.

ÑóẊîöʼn
27th March 2005, 14:57
If it's true that this kid was a nazi, then the first person he should have turned the gun on was himself!

Racism is a no-go, even if you're an oppressed minority.

The only time killing is justified in my opinion is if the killee is a murderer, rapist or trying to harm someone. None of this was happening at that school.

Apathetic Atheist, in my eyes you are scum.

SgtPepper369
27th March 2005, 16:34
http://img29.photobucket.com/albums/v88/read_zines/blahblah/follow_your_leader.gif

The Apathetic Atheist
27th March 2005, 19:08
Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2005, 02:57 PM
If it's true that this kid was a nazi, then the first person he should have turned the gun on was himself!

Racism is a no-go, even if you're an oppressed minority.

The only time killing is justified in my opinion is if the killee is a murderer, rapist or trying to harm someone. None of this was happening at that school.

Apathetic Atheist, in my eyes you are scum.
My figure has never entered your eyes.

ÑóẊîöʼn
27th March 2005, 20:23
Ooh, he's such a literalist this one.

Nazis are scum. You support a nazi. By extension, you are scum.

'Nuff said.

The Apathetic Atheist
27th March 2005, 20:35
The point, is not to be a literalist. The point is, that you do not know me, I do not believe you can accurately make the conclusion that either I or this self proclaimed Nazi are scum. That is completely going against the reason I have been argued against which is that...

You cannot make assumptions based on information that is not complete.

I do not support Nazis, or racists. The fact that he may or may not have been a Nazi has nothing to do with my joy over the occurence. Regardless of who he was, what he did is what I am examining.

Now, if we are going to look at the boy himself...

He was overweight (in my opinion) and I am disgusted with obesity.

He was a racist, and how exactly does race change what you are capable of...?

On the other hand, his father comitted suicide, and his mother is brain damaged and in a retirement home...I am not trying to justify his actions, obviously the boy needed some attention more than some damn Prozac.

ÑóẊîöʼn
27th March 2005, 20:49
If somebody says 'I am a Nazi' that's all the information I need thank you. Hitler was fond of children and disliked cruelty to animals. Does that excuse his actions? No. He was still a scumbag.

Regardless of wether he was a nazi or not, he still killed several unarmed people who posed no threat to him. Is this the action of a sane, sensible entity, I think not. the fact that you approve of this person's actions when it would of been more appropiate to condemn the system that created this situation shows your utter lack of empathy for your fellow humans.

Fuck you, you self serving hypocrite.

che-Rabbi
27th March 2005, 22:46
Honestly guys, the kid is dead, so what if he was a nazi, instead of sqwabelling about what the apethetic athiest said, we should try and find a way to prevent this from happening again. I was raised never to speak pourly of the dead and never to dance on the graves of our enemies. And apathetic athiest please do not quote me or anything because i dont care what you think, nobody does, your crackpot nutfuckjob. Your ideas belong on nazi.org

Free Spirit
28th March 2005, 00:29
Originally posted by The Apathetic [email protected] 27 2005, 05:06 AM


I think that school shootings are a healthy thing that I hope occur more often. I look forward to more of them in the future.


That's sick! In the future when you'll perhaps have kids going in school, they might come home bleeding and you’ll say “it's just healthy kid”

ARE YOU OKEJ WITH THIS, If you are, you better think about it!
http://www.welinske.com/child1.jpg
http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/palestine/plstngraphics/Helmi.jpg


Horrible how much cruelty has power.

bed_of_nails
28th March 2005, 00:44
I hope you never do a school shooting. For one thing, we Commies would get an even worse rap. Look at how this kids posts and the site he posted on is getting publicized not only for being Neo-Nazi, but because this seems to be the stereotype for those sort of places now, thanks to the media (I am not saying the stereotype is wrong, these people are fucked up, but I hope you all get the point). If something like that were to happen, this site would become rather... unpleasant... It would be a massive step back for a government that will truly be for the people.

Hugo Raven
29th March 2005, 18:37
LOOOOL?!?! Naziz are very cute, I don't think they eat babies. Just look at their cute little heads. I just love the naziz don't you :lol:

Hello btw, My name is Hugo, I come from Sweden. I just would like to add a picture of me so you see how I look like, well here it comes :P

viva le revolution
29th March 2005, 23:52
Nazi's are twisted master-race merchants whose ideological sense of superiority over other races is quite alike to the sense of superiority felt by Christian-fascist america.
School shootings are tragic in all cases without exception.What i really want to hear is about a pentagon shooting, eh comrades?
I have come across many messages by anarchist communists who see the school as a prison. I would like to add my own opinion to this by stating that i believe in a state supported free education programme, for private education is a tool used by capitalists to ensure that the proletariat stays oppressed. A school is not a prison. How do you hope to bring down the imperialists when their ivy-league scientists are producing nuclear weapons while our kids won't even know how to write "nuclear"?

Joseph
31st March 2005, 00:47
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_White_%28agitator%29

hey i found this as well... I wonder if hes in revolutionary left

Dark Exodus
31st March 2005, 02:28
Ignore the Apethetic Atheist, he is a troll.
If you do not comply then I will be forced to go into "Troll Bashing Mode", which is approximately 10 times worse than "Angry Forumite Mode". You have been warned.

More Fire for the People
31st March 2005, 03:39
You know what the best part of this story was?
Alot of people are blaming Rammstein and Nirvana for the kid's actions because they were his favourite bands.

Thomas
31st March 2005, 03:53
well of course!!!!! Nazis take all their inspirating from Kurt and Rammstein...

and Rage, and Anti-flag, and Bob Dylan.

Idiots who say stuff like that are the very people who voted Bush back in.

barret
31st March 2005, 03:58
Then again, they say that about mostly rock/pop/rap artist with leftist or mostly left views. For all we know the kid may have liked Weezer or some other band which is more conservative, thus recieving less attention.

Zombad
1st April 2005, 11:59
Originally posted by The Apathetic [email protected] 27 2005, 08:19 AM
I always think suicide is a pretty damn well stupid thing to do...


I disagree, yes it could be argued as a cowards way out, but its a persons right to die as they choose..

I agree with The Apathetic Atheist that the schools are like prisons, however after reading some of your other posts it is clear they are just as bad as this weise kid, i sincerly hope you are just trying to be 'shocking' and don't actually think some of this stuff otherwise i think we may well have another school shooting on our hands

CubaSocialista
3rd April 2005, 18:05
Originally posted by The Apathetic [email protected] 27 2005, 06:13 AM
You know, I would never murder someone (with an exception for self defense), though I still have the opinion that death is not always a bad thing.

I see your point on several things you posted, and I agree...and retract the statements I made to cause your outrage on those, though there are a few exceptions.

I believe that the enviroment in which his depression or clouded mental state was developed is a direct result of him being in school (a form of prison) and having to deal with people that did not treat him justly.

Again, if you had talked to that boy and given him respect, when it came to that day I do not believe he would have shot you...hell, he may not even have shot anyone.
Despite his totally insensitive way of articulating his feelings about the subject, Apathetic Atheist has a point that any teenager who isn't perfect would understand.

We can never really know what hell that kid went through. I have often thought, if people have made someone's life so miserable (and kids can be far more cruel than one can imagine) then perhaps they shouldn't be surprised when that someone that they spat on, harrassed, called "faggot", tripped in the hall, and sodomized pulls out a 12 gauge in school.

You're one sick puppy to say that School shootings are HEALTHY or to hope they occur AGAIN.
These are kids. Stupid, foolish, unwise, naive, insensitive, self destructive, cruel kids.
And 90% of them grow up to become heroes in one way or another, to someone, somewhere.

CubaSocialista
3rd April 2005, 18:09
Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2005, 12:47 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_White_%28agitator%29

hey i found this as well... I wonder if hes in revolutionary left
Wow. This Bill White has been around the political spectrum FULL CIRCLE.
Not to mention that he works for the FAR RIGHT Buchanan campaign and while declaring himself and running a website as a "Libertarian Socialist."

:rolleyes: