Kyrgyz Revolution

[RedAnarchist]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4381555.stm

After Georgia and Ukraine, Kyrgzstan has now had its own revolution.

These three are all former Soviet republics. Do you think that there will be more "revolutions" within the former USSR?

[Jina]

Another American puppet gets his ass kicked.

[__ca va?]

Another American puppet gets his ass kicked.
hah.. :)

Rather another Russian puppet's ass gets kicked by American-backed opposition.

[choekiewoekie]

I hope it is inspiring other countries.......

[RevolutionarySocialist MadRedDog]

This revolution (http://www.socialistworld.net/eng/2005/03/24kyrgyzstan.html) is one which is largely supported by members of the working class, but it is in fact a political revolution (one which overthrow the one capitalist regime for another) and no in any way a socialist revolution, because there is no mass workers party in Kyrgyz which bases itself on socialist ideas.

It's important to create such a mass workers party and to fight against capitalism on the base of a socialist alternative.

[__ca va?]

I think that all of the recent revolutions are libertarian ones, simply fighting for democratic reforms, which is a fundamentally positive thing even if these movements are backed by the US.

[Jina]

Originally posted by __ca [email protected] 25 2005, 03:12 PM

Another American puppet gets his ass kicked.
hah.. :)

Rather another Russian puppet's ass gets kicked by American-backed opposition.
I beg to differ, although he was one of the member of the regim that was in place when it was part of the USSR, he later was befriended by America and America was giving him the support he needed to stay in power, it wasn't Russia who was supporting him.

This "revolution" wasn't backed by America nor the opposition party, it came out of the blue without both parties influence.

[refuse_resist]

Originally posted by __ca [email protected] 26 2005, 11:44 AM
I think that all of the recent revolutions are libertarian ones, simply fighting for democratic reforms, which is a fundamentally positive thing even if these movements are backed by the US.
Because we all know the nature of the US's expansionist policies are to bring democracy and freedom to the world and fight against terrorism! :D

[RedStar Instead of Heart]

Up to one thousand people went out into the streets of Minsk by the order of Andrey Klimov, one of the leaders of opposition, to protest against Lukashenko's pro-Russian political line and demand greater freedoms for businessmen. Dissenters cried out slogans: "Long live Belarus!", "Freedom!", "Lukashenko into prison, Belarus into Europe!". Many people waved old Byelorussian flags and small flags of European Union.

However, OMON of Belarus was ready for this. It took them 10 minutes to end the meeting and split protesters. Twenty people were arrested, majority of them are released by now. No people were wounded or harmed during the operation.

Lausitzer Rundschau wrote:
Neither Europe nor USA are able to push this small Stalin from political arena.

Die Welt wrote:
Lukashenko's fanatical readiness to fight against the whole world is admired by all Byelorussians. He meets practically no opposition in Belarus. And there are no ways for Europe to influence the events in this country, we can only hope for erosion of the regime.
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Putin and Russia won't give up Belorussia like they did Gruzia and Ukraine. Belorussia is practically Russia and their influence is very strong there plus the location of Belorussia is much more significant than the one of Kyrgiztan in my opinion. Ofcourse they don't want to subdue Kyrgiztan to U.S. influense and let them build more military bases there (the already have 1 but Putin opened one too :) ) but stay assured there won't be any "orange revolutions" in Belorussia. As for the other ex soviet states i doubt it, they depend on Russia amost completely and Russia dictates what's gonna happen there (don't know if you consider that as bad or good). If those countries get taken over by "democracy" or if NATO manages to install military bases there they will be much worse then they are now (go ask Macedonia and Serbia :) ) Bulgaria is not much far off, EU is saving their ass somewhat.
The only reasons Gruzia and Ukraine had "colorful revolutions" was the fact that they do not like Russia and they do not depend that closely on Russia. Very strange in the case of Ukraine because the whole eastern part boredring Russia is populated by Russians and Putin should've done more to prevent what happened but oh well... Maybe his plan is to start business with the new government and so on. Anyhow Russia is quite weaker compared to the USSR but they're not weak, the y still have quite a lot of inlfuence and control in the ex soviet states and further and they wont just let someone go in and take them over, there's too much in for Russia, they won't allow it, they've got the power not to allow it, after all don't forget it's still Russia !

[__ca va?]

Anyhow Russia is quite weaker compared to the USSR but they're not weak, the y still have quite a lot of inlfuence and control in the ex soviet states and further and they wont just let someone go in and take them over, there's too much in for Russia, they won't allow it, they've got the power not to allow it, after all don't forget it's still Russia !

I think what America (and maybe Europe too) wants to achieve is to surround Russia and prevent it from forming the Soviet Union again. I think they are doing it now because when the SU fell apart they thought Russia was too weak and that it started to become democratic so they wouldn't have to be afraid of the restoration of the SU. And up to a time, they were right. But when Putin came to power, he installed anti-democratic policies and now the west is afraid that he wants to reintegrate the republics into Russia, so that's why they are in such a big hurry to gain these countries for their cause. Anyway, this is only my opinion.


Because we all know the nature of the US's expansionist policies are to bring democracy and freedom to the world and fight against terrorism!
Well as long as expanding the US's sphere of influence means making some regimes more democratic, I don't know what the problem is. And as for Ukraine: though America may want to have a big influence on them, the EU wouldn't let them have it simply because they think Ukraine belongs to Europe, and I think the US knows this. But supporting the orange revolution was still "worth the prize" for the US because they took a part of Russian sphere of influence and this is by itself good for America.



This "revolution" wasn't backed by America nor the opposition party, it came out of the blue without both parties influence.
Well sorry then, I was only betting... :rolleyes: