A revolution of the stomach :)

[Raisa]

Last month I did something that changed my life. I realized that we are part of this big circle of living things, human beings. Everything within our circle is nice and wonderful if we stay inside. We have everything we need to have a whole and a bright life. We have wonderful foods growing from the ground for us to eat, water pouring from the sky for us to drink. And these things never hurt us or make us fat, they only help us and give us strength.
But we step outside the circle and we give ourselves cancers and all these problems. We poison ourselves. We give flavors to the poisions that are killing us and we keep on putting them inside our bodies, and it deminishes our quality of life. But they are a part of daily life for many of us. They sell it to us in school, they feed it to us for lunch, it is often one of a working persons only choices for dinner. It is easy to get, but it brings us down.
Capitalism thrives off of us poisioning ourselves with artificially made foods and the chemicals inside them. We are being ground up in the capitalist cycle like chop meat, and have lost touch with the true cycle we are a part of- nature. It has everything we need.
Alot of people probably forgot how good a simple peice of fruit really is.

Ever since I stopped eating those foods, my life has been so much better.
My days are more awake and alive, and I have better sleep. I feel more free. I enjoy things more. A peice of chocolate is so much better, a glass of juice is so much sweeter. For the first time in my life I really feel good. The way I felt when I ate worse foods, I thought that was normal, but I had no idea that there is a better life out there.


So I urge everyone who reads this to consider what I am saying for your life. I feel good enough to share all this with you. Alot of that shit youre eating is not even food.
There is a better quality of life that is meant for us and it is found in eating the foods that are meant for us.

[RedAnarchist]

Couldnt have said it better, Raisa. :)

If we do not drink soft drinks, not only do we not support Coca-Cola, Pepsi et al, we alo help our brains, teeth, stomach and bones.

If we do not smoke, we help our lungs and brains, and we dont support the tobacco industry.

If we do not eat fast food, we help our teeth, brains and stomach, adn we do not support McDonalds, Burger King et al.

If we do not drink alcohol, we help our brains and our liver, and we do not support the alcohol industry.

We do not need to fill ourselves with junk food. What Nature provides for us is far better than the processed junk the capitalists would wish we eat and drank.

We need not only the revolutions of our societies, not only the revolutions of our minds, but also this revolution of our stomachs! :D

[rice349]

i eat only pre-made salad because that's basically all i can afford lol...sad but true...

[Raisa]

Couldnt have said it better, Raisa.

"If we do not drink soft drinks, not only do we not support Coca-Cola, Pepsi et al, we alo help our brains, teeth, stomach and bones.

If we do not smoke, we help our lungs and brains, and we dont support the tobacco industry.

If we do not eat fast food, we help our teeth, brains and stomach, adn we do not support McDonalds, Burger King et al.

If we do not drink alcohol, we help our brains and our liver, and we do not support the alcohol industry.

We do not need to fill ourselves with junk food. What Nature provides for us is far better than the processed junk the capitalists would wish we eat and drank.

We need not only the revolutions of our societies, not only the revolutions of our minds, but also this revolution of our stomachs! "

Right on, comrade! :)

[Se7en]

are there really that many financially reasonable alternatives? i've thought about this a lot too and have, at the very least, tried to cut back on my soda intake. there is an organic store around here that has a bunch of food in it that is pretty goddamn expensive. i can't afford it, at least at this point. i did notice alcohol in your post though, which i shall disagree with. scientific studies show one to two alcoholic beverages a day (beer or wine..i don't know about liquor) have many health benefits.

[BOZG]

In response to Raisa, I like my meat, I like my chemicals and I like my artificial food products so no. :)

In response to xPhile, maybe if we don't wear clothes and we scrounge off the street, we won't support capitalism.

[RedAnarchist]

I would agree that very moderet amounts of alcohol are beneficial, but gallons of the stuff certainly isnt.

[Se7en]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 04:14 PM
I would agree that very moderet amounts of alcohol are beneficial, but gallons of the stuff certainly isnt.
yes, with alcohol moderation is certainly the key.

can you give me any insight as to how you have specifically altered your diet? what products do you now consume in place of the standards? and what financial bearing does this have on you?

[encephalon]

affordablility is a big issue for a lot of people. I work to pay rent and go to school--after that's taken out, I've little money to afford any food that doesn't come in a box, bag or can. I eat a lot of salad, too.. but that's mainly because I try to avoid eating meat. :P

I'm pretty sure without vitamin tablets I'd be dead in a matter of months :P

I'd love to eat nothing but fresh vegetables and fruit.. but if I do that, I've not enough left for rent. You're right, if we stay within a certain human cycle everything works out fine.. unfortunately, a lot of people don't have a choice to be in that circle, and end up in an entirely different propagated by our imposed environment (rather than the natural one). It's akin to the walmart problem.. the people that work there can rarely find another job in the area, can rarely afford to shop anywhere else and can rarely afford to shop at walmart anyhow.

So while it's good that you tell people about it, I'm not sure how people are supposed to change their lives as such.. the means to the alternative needs to come before the alternative for most people.

What's worse is that we rarely do anything collectively to better the situation, with the exception of agitating the establishment here and there.

[LSD]

...yeaaaah....if I stopped eating "bad" foods I'd probably live ten years longer....

But FUCK IT!! I likes my meats, I likes my junk, and I likes my artificial flavours.

Personaly, I'd rather live ten years less and enjoy what I eat than live a hundred years eating Kale and Borccoli.

Vitamin K is a bourgeois Conspiracy!!!!!

[The Apathetic Atheist]

As I have become educated I have stopped eating fast food, stopped consuming caffein, and other harmful substances/foods. I do not feel all that much different, but the acne on my face is all but gone...so I intend to keep eating this way.

[NovelGentry]

If we do not smoke, we help our lungs and brains, and we dont support the tobacco industry.

You'll never take my pipe heathen!

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I like cigars. I like pizza. I like kebabs.

I'm young, I can afford to eat junk and smoke.

[The Apathetic Atheist]

The problem is not the small effect bad choices have on you now. The problem is the HABIT these choices start which will stay with you for the rest of your life. Weight and health problems usually do not start suddenly. Changes must be made with the long term in mind.

[aztecklaw]

I am so anti-capitalist I never super-size my meal at McDonald's!

hehe j/k

I got overweight off a diet of McDonald's and Wendy's and crap like that. Now that I got my own place I go to the grocery store and started making my own food and I feel lots healthier... no joke.

Buy a wok and make lots of stir fry.... mmmmmmm good.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by The Apathetic [email protected] 25 2005, 11:20 PM
The problem is not the small effect bad choices have on you now. The problem is the HABIT these choices start which will stay with you for the rest of your life. Weight and health problems usually do not start suddenly. Changes must be made with the long term in mind.
This is the real truth. I am very glad to hear that, because diets are bullshit. That is why we need to make the decision to change our lives for good if we really want to feel good.

<<I got overweight off a diet of McDonald&#39;s and Wendy&#39;s and crap like that. Now that I got my own place I go to the grocery store and started making my own food and I feel lots healthier... no joke.>>

That you can also testify to this is very cool. Life can be better.
Alot of times sadly McDonalds and Wendys is a person&#39;s only choice. At least Wendys is giving better choices now then McDonalds. Ronald McDonald needs to get with it&#33;

<<...yeaaaah....if I stopped eating "bad" foods I&#39;d probably live ten years longer....>>

Good point. But it isnt even about the quantity, its the quality of those years...the quality of your every day life can be improved reguardless of how long you live.

<<I&#39;d love to eat nothing but fresh vegetables and fruit.. but if I do that, I&#39;ve not enough left for rent. >>

I hear you there. Alot of us are pretty cornered into eating this garbage very often.
Even by dedicating 20 dollars of your food money to better food choices you can begin to make a difference for yourself.

The thing with that is, you can buy a big bag of potatoe chips and for the same price you can only get four apples.
In the long run the apple to me, is the better choice because though an apple is less food it will make you feel better in the long run then four handfulls of those chips.
You get less food, but the quality of that food is better.

[The Apathetic Atheist]

Income is not such a big object in my household that we have had to worry about the food we buy. I can basically tell my mother to buy me whatever I want. Right now I am eating mostly things like rice, bananas, apples, spaghetti, garlic bread, steak, potatoes, green beans and drinking water, apple juice, and milk. I really do not have a huge problem when it comes to giving up fast food. If you can&#39;t give it up, you know you have a problem...an addiction.

I am currently investigating the negative health effects of meat, and how much I am willing to accept those effects. So far, I see it as a convenient source of protein that also tastes great, but I think I may need to change my attitude towards getting protein.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Seriously, I fuckin&#39; love Kale. I&#39;d love Kale whether I was conscious about my body or not.
Hell, I poisoned my body to the point of illness just last night.
Woah, a phone number.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

At the moment I&#39;m eating a beefburger with 4 slices of baked ham and and 4 slices of cheese, a squirt of BBQ sauce, and 4 sticks of peperami washed down with a brandy & Dr Pepper. mmm

I think I&#39;ll have 2 king size Mars bars and a cigar afterwards. Now that&#39;s a revolution.

[Free Spirit]

Originally posted by The Apathetic [email protected] 27 2005, 08:36 AM
Income is not such a big object in my household that we have had to worry about the food we buy. I can basically tell my mother to buy me whatever I want. Right now I am eating mostly things like rice, bananas, apples, spaghetti, garlic bread, steak, potatoes, green beans and drinking water, apple juice, and milk. I really do not have a huge problem when it comes to giving up fast food. If you can&#39;t give it up, you know you have a problem...an addiction.

I am currently investigating the negative health effects of meat, and how much I am willing to accept those effects. So far, I see it as a convenient source of protein that also tastes great, but I think I may need to change my attitude towards getting protein.
So do I, mostly ecological food but the rest of the vegetables and fruits are grown unnaturally by giving them a shape of “perfection” (some, not all). They are rarely in some case not sprayed with chemicals to stay in that condition longer. Those chemicals are not good at all and I eat them because I don’t always “clean” the fruit. That you need to “clean” your food is bad enough.
Mmmm, tasty poison, oh I mean apple :unsure:

[The Apathetic Atheist]

I have been learning about pesticides in Agricultural Science.

The amount of chemical present on the fruit has to be legally 100 times smaller than the level at which negative effects will be observed. You should wash your fruit though, it lessens the amount of poison on the fruit.

Basically, as long as your growers are following law, you have no chance at even becoming ill...no matter how many plants you eat a day.

[(R)evolution of the mind]

Yeah, I&#39;ve felt a lot better and lost some weight since I lost my job, and started cooking myself more often, and switched coffee to tea. At work, the options for lunch were junk food, ill-tasting food (closeby student restaurant) and damn expensive food (staff restaurant downstairs that the employer wouldn&#39;t sponsor eating in as is the common practice over here). Guess which one was the most common option...

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2005, 01:34 PM
At the moment I&#39;m eating a beefburger with 4 slices of baked ham and and 4 slices of cheese, a squirt of BBQ sauce, and 4 sticks of peperami washed down with a brandy & Dr Pepper. mmm

I think I&#39;ll have 2 king size Mars bars and a cigar afterwards. Now that&#39;s a revolution.
You mock us, but it is your loss. :unsure:

[RedAnarchist]

NoXion, youre a fat cat&#39;s wet dream.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Hey, at least it wasn&#39;t a McDonalds burger. They&#39;re always too small.

We all have to eat capitalist products. I don&#39;t remember seeing any &#39;revolutionary leftist&#39;* branded products.

*Garuanteed 100% wage-slave free&#33;

[RedAnarchist]

True, but if more leftists boycotted obvious capitalist products such as MCdonalds, Burger King, Coca-Cola etc, then they would be healthier, the companies less wealthier. :)

[DarkAngel]

People who disagree with Raisa&#39;s point (which I fully agree with), answer this question

Do you survive to eat, or do you eat to survive?

[Commie Rat]

McDonalds in Australia now sells apples yougurt cereal salads and subway style rolls

[rice349]

True, but if more leftists boycotted obvious capitalist products such as MCdonalds, Burger King, Coca-Cola etc, then they would be healthier, the companies less wealthier.

good idea, but it would be even better if we just burn them down. All that grease would create a pretty good fire.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 01:49 AM
People who disagree with Raisa&#39;s point (which I fully agree with), answer this question

Do you survive to eat, or do you eat to survive?
No, I just eat. If I&#39;m feeling hungry, I think about what sort of food I would prefer, and endeavour to procure some if I have the time/money.
Of course I find eating enjoyable and will indulge in snacks.

Why is it such an issue?

[NovelGentry]

I eat to end the suffering of animals. Cows, Chickens, Pigs and other lesser known livestock are put in horrible conditions. The more we eat, and the more meat we eat, the faster we can end their suffering&#33;

[Invader Zim]

You have got to be joking&#33; You would ban good food and booze? Unacceptable.

[captain donald]

I can see where your coming from, but whats fun about sitting and eating carrots when you can be walking around with some chicken and a forty?

[redstar2000]

A four-meat pizza with extra cheese & garlic for me...washed down with cheap red wine.

Of course I&#39;ll be dead before I&#39;m 65...but I will have lived.

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[ÑóẊîöʼn]

How big&#39;s the pizza?

[redstar2000]

Extra Large&#33;

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[encephalon]

I absolutely love meat. I&#39;m a vegetarian because of the way meat is processed (mostly the slaughtering process), and I can&#39;t afford eating "organic" meat. It has nothing to do with health or taste.

I don&#39;t eat fast food because it is a symbol of imperialism. Although I still drink a coke from time to time, just to disappoint myself.

I&#39;ll still eat at resaurants every once in a while, though, or order the pizza. I&#39;ve no problem with the way bread is oppressed.. and cheese is just too much for me to give up.

Soy milk&#39;s good though, especially with vanilla. People should try it some time.

[encephalon]

Of course I&#39;ll be dead before I&#39;m 65...but I will have lived.

So you&#39;ll be dead in a year or so, redstar? bwaha.

[redstar2000]

It has been said (though not by scientists) that "sheer meanness" can prolong life. :angry:

So I ought to qualify for 80 at least&#33; :lol:

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[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Tonight, I&#39;m gonna have a shish kebab. With chilli sauce and fresh salad.

Healthy?

[Raisa]

Meat is not so bad, still I do not eat it a whole lot, it just isnt around so much for me to eat. Meat is one of those things, if someone hands me a peice, I will eat it, but I do not really cook it or anything a whole lot. It is not on my mind.

Walking around with some chicken and a forty, you sound like my kinda guy.....

There is also nothing wrong with eating pizza.

Pizza is a whole meal.

It is fine to eat things like that. Just make sure you dont eat to many animal products all the time, then it may hurt your health.

Why do people even bother to type in this thread if their coming to mock my point?
Im not trying to act like your mother and lecture you. As a comrade I am just sharing good ideas.

That implication that "at least you lived" and I somehow did not because I do not choose to eat crap all the time, pisses me off like you wouldnt believe.

Because you see, I have never lived better untill now&#33; I thought I was allright but I had no idea how better things could be. I have never felt better in my life.
So you can go on and act like I am depriving myself of something special, but in reality it is you.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by Raisa
That implication that "at least you lived" and I somehow did not because I do not choose to eat crap all the time, pisses me off like you wouldnt believe.

Because you see, I have never lived better until now&#33; I thought I was allright but I had no idea how better things could be. I have never felt better in my life.

So you can go on and act like I am depriving myself of something special, but in reality it is you.

Well, I am not as angry about the matter as you evidently are...but I do find myself living in a world increasingly populated by "health-nannies".

It would never occur to me, for example, to start a thread advising people what to eat, what to smoke (if anything), who to have sex with, how much sleep to get, etc., etc., etc.

As "intolerant" as I am on some "big questions", I am "ultra-tolerant" on others...like the petty details of people&#39;s personal lives. I don&#39;t care about the personal choices of others and I can&#39;t understand why they care about mine&#33;

Up to and including putting people in prison if they don&#39;t make "the right choices".

And the endless nagging&#33;

Sure, I nag too...all the time. But I nag about "big questions" that affect the future of the human species.

At my local public library, there are three or four shelves full of "how to change your life" books...not a single one of which speaks to the real causes of human suffering. It&#39;s all "eat this and not that", "quit smoking", "put your bed under a pyramid & hang crystals from it", blah, blah, blah.

Ok, I&#39;m "old-fashioned". I grew up in an era with many faults (like segregation). But the one thing I miss about the 50s is that people didn&#39;t nag one another about their personal choices.

It would have been thought outrageous.

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[FatFreeMilk]

She&#39;s not trying to nag at people. She&#39;s just sharing her experience of eating more healthily. Nothing wrong with that.

And it is important too. Being healthy on the inside affects all aspects of your health. So instead of eating all that processed shit, why not give your tummy a break and try stuff that&#39;s actually good for you?

It&#39;s all up to you, of course. If you call stuffing your face with pizza living, fine. But just keep in mind if you try a more healthy diet, you&#39;ll be feeling a lot better, and living better too.

Good for her that she&#39;s gotten to liking the raw stuff cus later on when you&#39;re all grown up and fat and have diabetes you&#39;ll have wish you had gotten to like peas and carrots sooner.

[Thomas]

I&#39;m starting healthy eating. I think it&#39;s worthwhile to help my body and increase my life expectancy, also you never know, it could change the way you act and give you a better personality.

[Commie Rat]

Redstar; please stick to theory fourum- you are good at that,
if you dont want to read this crap then dont
its written it your choice

me i eat fast food, meat , some vegtables im gunna die young i know that that is my choice - what you do with your body [all of you ] is your choice i belvie veganism [is that a word?] is quite noble but i love my meat

[(R)evolution of the mind]

me i eat fast food, meat , some vegtables im gunna die young i know that that is my choice - what you do with your body [all of you ] is your choice i belvie veganism [is that a word?] is quite noble but i love my meat

You know, meat tastes even better when you do not eat it daily in large amounts.

[Raisa]

<<It would never occur to me, for example, to start a thread advising people what to eat, what to smoke (if anything), who to have sex with, how much sleep to get, etc., etc., etc.>>

Thats your loss, because I think that if you know something is good then you should share it with other people so they can enjoy it too.
I dont know why you have a problem with someone testifying to something good in their life for others?
You imediately believe someone is nagging at you and trying to get inside your personal life&#33;

I would have wanted someone to share this with me me, but unfortunately capitalism keeps this message far away from people.

To me this is not petty details or I would not have written about it.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by Commie Rat
Redstar; please stick to theory forum- you are good at that...

Maybe you&#39;re right. :(

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[KC]

I&#39;m a vegetarian. I&#39;m thinking about going vegan, but that&#39;s hard as hell so I don&#39;t know about that. I didn&#39;t really know why I did it when I started, I just kinda felt like doing it. But I&#39;ve realized that it&#39;s a lot better for people. The two biggest reasons I have are that the meat processing industry means POLLUTION; ecosystem destruction, air pollution, waste of materials, not to mention the ever so popular shit lakes&#33;&#33; Also it&#39;s a LOT healthier to be vegetarian/vegan. Not as hard as anyone thinks either. Since I started I&#39;ve felt a lot better about myself, and since I&#39;m really active, I tire less than I used to.

[Raisa]

Please tell us about the shit lakes :) I never heard of this.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

The case of &#39;factory farming&#39; has more to do with capitalism than meat-eating.

Classless society would be able to either deal with the waste that is produced from such methods or would adopt less pollutive methods. We don&#39;t have to change our diet to be revolutionaries.

[Raisa]

Word, we just alot of times need to change the way we are making products.

Capitalism ,even though it boasts to give surperior products to the people with its competition..often puts attention to profit where attention to process should be.
That is why we got things like mad cow disease.... what kind of half assed shit is that?
Feeding cows to cows&#33; Lemme tell ya haha

[Dark Leth]

My breakfast? Kefir, sliced fruit, chocolate soy milk, water.

Lunch - Salad or turkey sandwhich on whole weat, carrots or equivalent, soy chips or baked lays, a soda, and a water.

Dinner - Some rice, a small bit of meat, and some more vegetables.

The only thing I can disagree with you about is soda. I love soda; in fact, I consider myself a conniseur of it. A delightful drink, for sure. However, since I changed my diet to (mostly) healthy stuff, I do feel rejuvinated and stronger.

[Urban Rubble]

A four-meat pizza with extra cheese & garlic for me...washed down with cheap red wine.

Of course I&#39;ll be dead before I&#39;m 65...but I will have lived.

Yes, but with my healthy habits my body will be in such good shape that I&#39;ll be able to have sex with models and get undeserved priviledges sue to my good looks&#33;

Obviously I&#39;m joking, but there is a point in there. Eating the right foods makes me feel better (more energy, better sleep, my headaches are less frequent) and it makes me look better. It improves my quality of life far more than the fleeting happiness of that gut bomb would have.

I don&#39;t understand why people think to eat right you have to eat shitty food. I enjoy my meals very much, and also, any shitty food can still be eaten as long as it&#39;s infrequent. There is a balance that can be acheived. For example, I just ate some spaghetti (sp?) made with whole wheat pasta, chicken breasts, olive oil, garlic and sauce. Completely healthy, low fat, lots of protein, and it tasted better than anything at McDonalds.

I eat right, but I don&#39;t stress about it. If I&#39;m craving junk I&#39;ll eat some junk, but generally I try to eat well because it improves me quality of life.

[KC]

On the family farm, animal waste is a resource. It can be composted and turned into valuable fertilizer that replenishes the land. On factory farms animal waste is just that – waste. Unlike human sewage, animal waste has no requirements for treatment. According to the United States Department of Agriculture, 61 million tons of animal waste are produced each year in this country. That’s 130 times the waste produced by humans and the equivalent of 400 pounds of waste per person in the US. Waste from hogs has been a particular problem in the last two decades. It would be too expensive to process animal waste like human waste so instead it is put into waste lagoons – human made outdoor vats covering up to 12 acres.

Unfortunately, these lagoons are prone to leaks and breakage. Groundwater has been contaminated with bacteria from them. The lagoons can also be overrun by floods that push the waste into lakes, streams and oceans. North Carolina, with its concentration of factory farms, has been the focus of massive water contamination due to its waste lagoons.
Link&#33; (http://www.vsc.org/0502-animal-waste-on-factor.htm)
That was the best article I could find in my current state of laziness. Enjoy :D

[Commie Rat]

alll i can say is every thing in moderation . .
i love my steak, i love my beer, and i love my occaisional smoke ( not tabacco ;) ) but i know these things , if i eat them every day all day i will get sick ;
it is fine to enjoy some thing but not let it grow to an obsession