US schools resegregating

[Valkyrie]

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0810-05.htm

[j]

I think the issue here is racism. The schools are segregated because the majority of Americans live their lives segregated. Most white people live in neighborhoods that are mostly white. Most black people live in neighborhoods that are mostly black. Most parents want their children to go to neighborhood schools, so guess what? The white children go to white schools and the black children go to black schools.

I live in Boston and this has been one of the worst places for segregation debate. In the 70s there was forced busing of blacks from black neighborhoods like Roxbury into white neighborhoods like South Boston. S. Boston was up in arms over this bussing. There are still wounds that have not healed in this city from the bussing controversy of the 70s.

The problem remains that Boston Public Schools are mostly black and the suburbs are mostly white. The white kids who live in Boston proper mostly go to private schools because their parents are scared to send them to black schools.

The problem is really society and racism. The problem is not segregation or desegregation. We are a racist society who believes in honoring white privelege. We will always battle over school segregation until the power of the whites is reduced.

j

[Sherief]

Seems sad but true

[Tchort]

Quote: from j on 5:20 pm on Aug. 13, 2002
I think the issue here is racism. The schools are segregated because the majority of Americans live their lives segregated. Most white people live in neighborhoods that are mostly white. Most black people live in neighborhoods that are mostly black. Most parents want their children to go to neighborhood schools, so guess what? The white children go to white schools and the black children go to black schools.

I live in Boston and this has been one of the worst places for segregation debate. In the 70s there was forced busing of blacks from black neighborhoods like Roxbury into white neighborhoods like South Boston. S. Boston was up in arms over this bussing. There are still wounds that have not healed in this city from the bussing controversy of the 70s.

The problem remains that Boston Public Schools are mostly black and the suburbs are mostly white. The white kids who live in Boston proper mostly go to private schools because their parents are scared to send them to black schools.

The problem is really society and racism. The problem is not segregation or desegregation. We are a racist society who believes in honoring white privelege. We will always battle over school segregation until the power of the whites is reduced.

j


wtf are you talking about?

Society hasn't been promoting White values and culture and 'privalege' since the early 1960s. Your argument is completely debunked if you look at the track record of government pormoted diversity programs, equal oppertunity hiring and the short lived affirmitive action programs.

Society is resegregating because those are the patterns of a forced multicultural nation. If the people made the decisions on segregation or multiracialsm on their own without laws to dictate either way everyone would be happy. Hispanics who want to live in Hispanic neighborhoods should be able to. Whites who want their kids to go to a White school should be able to have them do so. Blacks who want to live in a mixed area should be able to. It all comes down to preference, and everyone has their preferences. They should be able to choose who they live around and work with. That is true freedom. Forcing multiculturalism or segregation is going to lead to a reactionary ethnic exploision against whatever they live in for the other.

[stick person]

Tchort: "Society hasn't been promoting White values and culture and 'privalege' since the early 1960s. Your argument is completely debunked if you look at the track record of government pormoted diversity programs, equal oppertunity hiring and the short lived affirmitive action programs. "

Oh bull corn.

Those affirmative action programs were so short all they did was allow a few Uncle Thomases to be put at the head of diversity and equal opportunity commissions in order to destroy their effectiveness.

And 2 more things: "society" is different than official government policy. "Society" here in Texas was still looking the other way in the 1970s when non-whites mysteriously "disappeared" after being arrested. "Society" is still making excuses for the mass arrest on false evidence of the black community in Tula.

Thing the 2nd: study after study has shown that non-whites in the US are still rejected for home loans and rental housing even for neighborhoods they can afford. As long as whites have the "freedom" to live in all-white neighborhoods, non-whites will continue to be stuck in neighborhoods they would prefer to get out of.

Communists and socialists in the US have a long history of struggle against racism. We need to maintain that history.


(Edited by stick person at 5:45 am on Aug. 15, 2002)

[j]

Hey Tchort--

WTF are YOU talking about??!!!

Where do you live? What have you been experiencing for your whole life?

If a white parent wants their child to go to a white school they should be able to???? That is fucking bullshit!!!! That is the same as saying if I own a store and I can pick and choose who comes into my store!!!!

Forced multicultarlism? It is called creating equality. True, some folks still don't understand the idea that we are all equals and should be treated as such. We call these people racists.

Your post was ENTIRELY racist and stupid. You have ABSOLUTELY no idea what you are talking about.

j

[Tchort]

Quote: from j on 6:12 pm on Aug. 14, 2002
Hey Tchort--

WTF are YOU talking about??!!!

Where do you live? What have you been experiencing for your whole life?

If a white parent wants their child to go to a white school they should be able to???? That is fucking bullshit!!!! That is the same as saying if I own a store and I can pick and choose who comes into my store!!!!

Forced multicultarlism? It is called creating equality. True, some folks still don't understand the idea that we are all equals and should be treated as such. We call these people racists.

Your post was ENTIRELY racist and stupid. You have ABSOLUTELY no idea what you are talking about.

j



Interesting how you ignore the rest of my post. I take it then you have no problem with other races who wish to live with their own kind? It doesn't bother you if a Black couple wants to live in a Black neighborhood? Or if an Asian wants only to buy food or goods from other Asians?
Are you trying to say that Whites are the people who can be racist? That's what it sounds like.

No, it is forced multiculturalism. Racial tension exists when elements of each ethnic community are forced to mix with another and don't want to. That's where intolerance comes from. If everyone wants to live in a homogenus or heterogenus nation so be it; people should be able to choose which racial enviroment to live in. Or should the state be able to dictate the social conditions people live in because they believe they are right?
You are bigheadedly ignorant of other viewpoints and are a very intolerant individual. When someone agree with you they are automatically 'racist' and dismissed?

[j]

"Society hasn't been promoting White values and culture and 'privalege' since the early 1960s. Your argument is completely debunked if you look at the track record of government pormoted diversity programs, equal oppertunity hiring and the short lived affirmitive action programs. "


OK. From the book "Streets of Hope" by Medoff & Sklar:
"The Dudley area was affected not only by typical redlining, elaborated later, but by a reverse form of redlining through which, for a short period, mortgages were available to Blacks, but only in the specific areas of Roxbury, Dorchester, and Mattapan."

Here, blacks are allowed to buy homes but only in certain neighborhoods. This forced many of the Jewish residents of these communities to become scared off by street violence and rage (stereotypes of blacks). Realtors would intentionally try to scare whites out these neighborhoods. This was, of course, because the new mortgages available to blacks were only good in certain neighborhoods. So if a black family had enough money to buy a house, they HAD to live in these neighborhoods. If the realtors wanted the black mortgages (which were of course loaned at a higher interest rate) they had to get the whites out because the only place blacks were allowed to buy was in Roxbury, Dorchester, and Mattapan. The book quotes an anonymous realtor who said, "...we would try to outdo [other realtors] with the most outlandish threats that [white] people would beleive, and chuckle about them at the end of the day....We weren't subtle about it. You'd say, how would you like it if they [the blacks] rape your daughter and you have a mulatto grandchild?...I even used it once on a son, the little boy would be raped. Whatever worked, I would try to use..."

The realtors would encourage "white-flight" by saying, you gotta sell this month or your property value will decline.

Even after the 1976 Equal Credit Opportunity Act "practices remained unfair. Banks around the country continued discriminating and disinvesting while federal regulators rubber stamped their supposed compliance."

"A 1991 Federal Reserve Board study, analyzing 1990 Home Mortgage Disclosure Act (HMDA) data, found racial lending disparities around the country, with Blacks and Latinos rejected twice as often as White applicants, regardless of income."


These are all examples of how White America keeps segregation alive.

And no, if a Black family is mad because a white family moves in next door that is racist as well. However, you also need to understand the fear that a black family may have--gentrification.

People really have no say as to what the race of your neighbor should be. When one prefers to live among only one race they become blind to the shared experiences among the races.

j