Racsim in Britain

[h&s]

OK, in Britain at the moment, there is a worrying ammount of racism in my opinion in the press and the mainstream parties.
The most obvious one at the moment is that against Britain's travelling community. Every other day we get stories in the right wing tabloids of the way that 'free-loading gipsies' are stealing land all over the country and terrorising rural communities. This may not sound that bad, but I'm sure that those of you who have read these stories will be worried by them, and the regularity that such minor problems make the press. The Conservative Party (and the Tory Party! :P) are tagging along to these reactionary lies, and are trying to make this into a major election issue.
Could this sort of reactionary racism turn into a major problem in this country, with race-hate against travellers being commonplace, or is this just the sort of thing to be expected in a conservative country?
Also, rather worryingly, one of my local free newspapers has run a front page article this month about how the BNP is to stand against Kilroy in Ewewash, stating all of the 'good' policies of the BNP, and only quoting the bad things they say against Kilroy - basically the paper has used a front page atricle to plug the BNP and support them. How long will it be until mainstream papers start doing the same?

Any thoughts?

[Redmau5]

I doubt mainstream papers will ever lend their support to the likes of the BNP. It is a different story with small town and village papers as it is easier to measure the mood in a small town, and the editors of that paper are more likely to play to the rhythm of the town's feeling.

I agree with you that racism has increased shockingly. This is obviously due to the growth in size of parties such as the BNP and WNP, who are attracting people who despise immigrants for the mere fact that the immigrants have "their" jobs, while they're unemployed. But having said that, many immigrants haven't exactly done themselves any favours, as many rip off the benefits system. So to call all whites who criticise immigration racist is also an irrational move.

[1936]

Its basically the same case as in germany in the thirties.

The government single out and oppress a minority in order to relate to there public, with a common hate.

The gypsies are being oppressed as a tool in elections.

[Redmau5]

I agree. The tories have jumped on the anti-traveller bandwagon that seems to be doing the rounds in Britain. It's nothing more than an electoral ploy.

[T_34]

Your right, everything that labour gets criticised for in the news, the Tories use it so blatantly, after the story came out. They are so pathetic, and I can see ex-tories cringing everytime they hear that fool Howard trying to mount some serious opposition to Blair, he's pathetic, and Blair (a bastard he may be) is by far the more skilled politician.

Anything the Tories think will give them more votes, they acquire and use, and in turn have played into extreme right hands. But let them, because as long as the major parties endorse it, they won't be as radical as the Fascists, therefore taking support away from them when most normal people see the Tories do it.

The minority of skinheads and monkeys have been doing this for decades, it will never gather the steam they hope for, and if it looks like they ever are, they need crushed.

[bunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2005, 08:30 PM
I doubt mainstream papers will ever lend their support to the likes of the BNP. It is a different story with small town and village papers as it is easier to measure the mood in a small town, and the editors of that paper are more likely to play to the rhythm of the town's feeling.

I agree with you that racism has increased shockingly. This is obviously due to the growth in size of parties such as the BNP and WNP, who are attracting people who despise immigrants for the mere fact that the immigrants have "their" jobs, while they're unemployed. But having said that, many immigrants haven't exactly done themselves any favours, as many rip off the benefits system. So to call all whites who criticise immigration racist is also an irrational move.
The Daily Mail in the past has supported fascists

[monkeydust]

It's certainly a worrying phenomenon.

It's unsettling to see a major political party campaigning for an election on what amounts to a policy of: "less tax, less blacks"

It's always hard to tell, though, whether racism is actually "on the rise", or whether we're simply becoming more aware of its presence. Certainly the documentaries going "inside" the police force and asylum detention centres only revealed what was already there but unnoticed; the very much public attack (i.e. Front-page) on gypsies might represent fresh prejudice, however.

There's probably a number of causes behind this racism, here's a few that I've noticed:

1.Growth in multicultaralism in the UK. Fresh communities spring up amids traditional white societies and, due to the fact that they are "differrent" and furthermore don't "mix" with the local population, they are looked upon with some uncertainty, fear, and, later, with disdain. The fact that these communities are "growing" is significant insofar as it creates the false perception among certain whites that their country is somehow being "overrun".

2.Widespread disaffection in the UK. With no "moral values", with a rampant growth in consumerism, debt, depressing stories in the media and a resulting generally "ill feeling" in the air, people don't feel good. Under such conditions it's always easy to find a "target", someone to blame. Racism fulfils this application quite well.

3.The "war on terror" has created an atmosphere in which many people, erroneously, have come to hate Islam and conflate its general doctrines and followers with such disreputable figures as Abu Hamza.

4.The immigration issue. People perceive the government as "soft" on immigrants, feeling that too many are given "our money" and that this encourages even more to come over here and do the same. The view that immigrants are somehow "stealing our money", propagated by the media, inevitably leads to some discrimination.

You get the idea....


I agree with you that racism has increased shockingly. This is obviously due to the growth in size of parties such as the BNP and WNP, who are attracting people who despise immigrants for the mere fact that the immigrants have "their" jobs, while they're unemployed.

I'm not so sure on the line of causation here.

Is it really the case that racism has grown because of nationalist parties such as the BNP? Or is it conversely the case - and this is the view that I hold - that it is the other way round, that nationalist parties have grown because of racism?


The government single out and oppress a minority in order to relate to there public, with a common hate.


Do they? Can you give an example?

From what I've seen the government acts strongly to block racism when it arises. Indeed the current uproar against gypsies is a result of the fact that the governments policy on travellers is viewed by the public as "too nice".


The Daily Mail in the past has supported fascists

The Daily Mail is fascist!

[h&s]

It's unsettling to see a major political party campaigning for an election on what amounts to a policy of: "less tax, less blacks"

Bremner Bird and Fortune eh? ;)


1.Growth in multicultaralism in the UK. Fresh communities spring up amids traditional white societies and, due to the fact that they are "differrent" and furthermore don't "mix" with the local population, they are looked upon with some uncertainty, fear, and, later, with disdain. The fact that these communities are "growing" is significant insofar as it creates the false perception among certain whites that their country is somehow being "overrun".
That is a worrying one in my opinion too. I read the Daily Mail much more than I should, and from that I have seen a lot of attacks on this. It now seems to be acceptable for the press to critisise multi-culturism as a 'naive liberal idea.' The alternative to multi-culturalism does not bare thinking about...


The Daily Mail in the past has supported fascists
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/BUrother2.jpg
Which one's the biggest fascist? Hitler or the Mail?
The Mail actually run the headline 'hurrah for the blackshirts' on its front page in support of Oswald Mosely (another man who Rothermere admired) over the communists.

Edit:
More Rothermere Nazi Mail shit:
I urge all British young men and women to study closely the progress of the Nazi regime in Germany. They must not be misled by the misrepresentations of its opponents. The most spiteful distracters of the Nazis are to be found in precisely the same sections of the British public and press as are most vehement in their praises of the Soviet regime in Russia.

They have started a clamorous campaign of denunciation against what they call "Nazi atrocities" which, as anyone who visits Germany quickly discovers for himself, consists merely of a few isolated acts of violence such as are inevitable among a nation half as big again as ours, but which have been generalized, multiplied and exaggerated to give the impression that Nazi rule is a bloodthirsty tyranny.

The German nation, moreover, was rapidly falling under the control of its alien elements. In the last days of the pre-Hitler regime there were twenty times as many Jewish Government officials in Germany as had existed before the war. Israelites of international attachments were insinuating themselves into key positions in the German administrative machine. Three German Ministers only had direct relations with the Press, but in each case the official responsible for conveying news and interpreting policy to the public was a Jew.

[Redmau5]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 09:56 AM
Is it really the case that racism has grown because of nationalist parties such as the BNP? Or is it conversely the case - and this is the view that I hold - that it is the other way round, that nationalist parties have grown because of racism?


I think's it's a mixture of both, a sort of "you can't have one without the other". If you look back to the 90's, when racism was fairly low, the BNP had a limited support base. As racism has started to grow, so has the BNP. And that's exactly your point i know.

But i believe the BNP has also attracted people who might not usually be "racist". With the BNP's growth, i believe they have contributed to the growth in racism by spreading their message of hate. Although racism has grown amongst ordinary people, i believe groups such as the BNP/WNP have helped increase racist beliefs amongst people who would not usually be racist.

I hope you understand what im trying to say.

[bolshevik butcher]

I think it's been mainley through the right wing press such as the daily mail and the sun, via their anti-asylum policies. This has made racism main stream, the BNP are viewed by most as extreme.

[kingbee]

check the observer today, quite relevant.

the thing is, people do get genuinely pissed off with travellers. we could talk about it being racism, but sometimes they do leave a lot of rubbish, etc, which the local councils have to pay to clean up.

but obviously, that's not all travellers.

[Prol]

'free-loading gipsies' are stealing land all over the country and terrorising rural communities.


But its true. Its not nice but its true.

Yes the media is right-wing and racist, especially the Sun.



From my experiance I think that there is alot of racism, especially with warehouse personnel mainly against blacks and asians. When I say personnel experiance I am talking about warehouses I have worked in in Essex and the west midlands.

[Reuben]

no prol an attack on a whole ethic/cultural group is never true quite simply because they are not homogeneous

you do not have a place on this board.

[Kez]

I dont know if the level of racism is at its peak in Britain today, but its political representation in an independent form is at its highest for quite a while now.

However, we must not exagerate their forces, all it takes is for the unions (workers and students) to mobilize to crush all fascist forces, and this really is a distinct policy which we must aim for today to fight tomorrow!

Contact me if you want to discuss this further.

The workers have mobilisedd in the past many times (and still do) to crush fascism, and we will do it again.

[James]

as someone pointed out, the observer last sunday had an article which basically claimed that statistics showed racism has dramatically increased since 1997.
I think the article said the following...

-Cumbria is the most racist district.
-Scotland is in the top ten most dangerous places to live if you are an ethnic minority
- it is being put down in part to recent election campaigns.
- racism has gone down in london

Its not surprising really, it is an easy vote grabber.


"Travelers" are a real issue: however not as great as papers such as the daily mail have made out.
INTERESTINGLY - the tories are in part to blame for the recent problems because they passed legislation which declared local government did not have to provide space for "travelers" to live on (as they had previoulsy had to do). I think creating space for "travelers" would be an important step forward: before this is done nothing can really be done, as they have no where else to go (in general).

So don't vote tory ;)

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I think not voting at all would be a better idea!

[Redmau5]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 11:34 AM
I think not voting at all would be a better idea!
That's it. We'll just continue to boycott the elections while the fascist BNP and WNP continue to win votes.

We need a decent party to vote for, we can't continue to boycott elections forever.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

You honestly think we can effect real change in bourgeouis government?
You are deluded. The fascists are trying because they know they've won before.

The way to defeat the fash is on the streets, not the polling booths.

[Kez]

thats ridiculous.

So while you boycott, the BNP gets in, they put in their policies in the councils (such as turfing out travellers) and you claim a victory for not participating in bourgeoise elections?

If you think you can simply bash them your being extremely ultra-left. What will you gain from not voting for another party denying fascists from not getting in?

I think one should be extremely flexible in tactics, and not simply turn a blind eye to an opportunity to boot out fascists.


What do you think of the Oldham Trade Unionists who mobilsed the vote behind Labour and booted the BNP from power last year? Is this good or bad? At the same time they held protests with workers and students.

No to reformism, but at the same time No to ultra-leftism.

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 11:06 AM

-Scotland is in the top ten most dangerous places to live if you are an ethnic minority

Top ten where?

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 11:34 AM
I think not voting at all would be a better idea!
Yeah, let's all give up the right to influence the country.

[James]

lol at noxion. What a good little "marxist"! Yes that makes perfect sense *rolls eyes*

And no you are very wrong.

Look at past labour governments. True, they may not have been clones of lenin, but they made serious progress.
Look at Tony Benn.
I think he has done alot more than you and your "school of thought" have ever done here.

+ + +

clenched fist... i'm not sure.
i'll look the article up.

[Invader Zim]

I am unimpressed by the Tories latest piece of racist propaganda: -

Read all about it here (https://www4.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/03/306934.html)

So I decided to make my own counter poster: -