ARM THE PALESTINIANS

[GuerillaTactics]

ARM THE PALESTINIANS

[Marxman]

I must say that I've never seen such a primitive post, not even from a cappie. Arm the Palestinians?! Haven't you heard of a saying called "Violence only leads to greater violence." Obviously, Israel and Palestine have been poisoned by a barbaric symptom. From a marxist point of view, this warfare is a result from the past, by 2 kings or burgeois fighting for percentage. Or more likely, this is a result of capitalist crisis transforming countries into fascist ones. As Lenin said:"Fascism is capitalism in crisis." Just look at Hitler, Germany was in crisis thus suddenly people believed Jews are responsible for the mess and then suddenly some Nazism morphs and claims that Germans are perfect caucasians and then suddenly Hitler makes a pact with Japan. Israel is of course funded by the USA to get rid of the Palestinians because wars in capitalism are nothing more then burgeois fighting for percentage, nothing else. To hell with arms, anarchism will lead to dissolvement of everything just like in the past that occured. Arm the Palestinians isn't the answer, but a world-wide SOCIALIST revolution is.

[Xvall]

Disarms everyone. Arm only those who seek freedom! Smash the opressive regimes!

[Marxman]

Those who seek freedom, should liberate the proletariat, not to be anarchists and kill one king after another. See, nothing changes between these 2 rivalries. Palestinians kill one man, another kills another and so forth. Anarchism and guerrilaism isn't the answer, if it were, everything would turn upside down.

[Dhul Fiqar]

Marxman: if you so dislike guerilla warfare, what do you think about Che?

--- G. Raven

[prozak]

Marxman is pro-Zionist. You can't argue not arming the Palestinians, because the USA has spent so much money arming the fascist state of Israel.

[Michael De Panama]

Zion, Palestine, it's all nationalism either way. The last thing either side needs is more weapons.

[Conghaileach]

The Cuban revolution was very nationalist. Look what happened there.

[Marxman]

I am neither pro-Zionist nor pro-Palestinian. I want to be neutral on this nonsense. Like I said, this is a war between 2 kings fighting for power and they do not starve but the people do. The people must relise that the ruling class has caused their antagonism between each other.

[man in the red suit]

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 2:27 am on Aug. 13, 2002
Zion, Palestine, it's all nationalism either way. The last thing either side needs is more weapons.


I'm with this guy the whole way. Neither side needs more weapons. They should just build a big wall and seperate the two sides, let them things over, and remove it when the time is right. or if things never work, keep the wall up there. Effective imediately- Big wall

(Edited by man in the red suit at 10:02 pm on Aug. 17, 2002)

[Sherief]

Quote: from man in the red suit on 10:01 pm on Aug. 17, 2002

I'm with this guy the whole way. Neither side needs more weapons. They should just build a big wall and seperate the two sides, let them things over, and remove it when the time is right. or if things never work, keep the wall up there. Effective imediately- Big wall

(Edited by man in the red suit at 10:02 pm on Aug. 17, 2002)


A big wall? No way, that's the last thing that's needed. Isnt it obvious that separation and isolation is not the solution to opposing viewpoints? A big wall will do nothing towards peace.

[Dhul Fiqar]

The problem is that a big wall would not be BETWEEN them, but AROUND the Palestinians. It would be another Gaza, a huge prison colony and a total disaster for the Palestinians living there, as it would spell an end to any dreams of a state with coherant self-controlled boarders...

--- G. Raven

[deimos]

iam also against this wall thing.they should spent the money on "bridges" not walls.Even if there is a wall, the palestinians and israelis wil never live in freedom.they should have a peacefull relationship.thats only possible when israel apologises for the crimes they did.and when the palestinians learn the jews are human too.

[Marxman]

Both cultures must realise they come from the same planet. Both cultures must realise that the system has got them fighting in the first place. Both cultures must realise that the rich are responsible for this mess. 2 kings, 2 burgeois, 2 cappies are always responsible for mass warfare and racism. Just like Hitler, just like Mussolini, just like Stalin, just like Bush and so forth.

[man in the red suit]

Quote: from Dhul Fiqar on 11:46 am on Aug. 18, 2002
The problem is that a big wall would not be BETWEEN them, but AROUND the Palestinians. It would be another Gaza, a huge prison colony and a total disaster for the Palestinians living there, as it would spell an end to any dreams of a state with coherant self-controlled boarders...

--- G. Raven


yeah but that wasn't my solution. If I were they head construction worker, I would make it between them.

I mean, I know it sounds like the Berlin wall type of deal, but what else will work. Arafat's vision of a perfect Arab state is one without Israel. The Arabs are being brain washed by their leaders. As long as this happens, neither side will live at peace with each other. there were about 720,000 Arabs living in Israel before their political leaders told them to move out and attack the Jews in a Jihad. Then you have Israel, taking all of Palestine's land and not giving it back, frankly I don't blame them. Both sides hate each other too much to ever live in peace again.

A wall is probably the only way to solve things. Jews on the west side and Arabs on the east side or vice versa.
They will still dislike each other but at least they will not be able to attack each other if you make the wall big enough. Also if you make the wall thick enough. This way, the suicide bombers can blow themselves up in an attempt to destroy the wall. then, when they see that they are doing nothing at all, they will refrain from their ridiculous attempts to destroy Israel.

yeah yeah, they want a home, they want freedom,........what bullshit. The palestinian people want one thing and one thing only, to wipe Israel of the face of the earth.

Now just try to tell me that a wall is not a better idea than all the other useless "peace" attempts that have come before. It would be great if both sides could live in peace like they had for thousands of years, but I am sorry to say that neither side is really interested in "peace"

[man in the red suit]

Quote: from deimos on 3:33 pm on Aug. 18, 2002
iam also against this wall thing.they should spent the money on "bridges" not walls.Even if there is a wall, the palestinians and israelis wil never live in freedom.they should have a peacefull relationship.thats only possible when israel apologises for the crimes they did.and when the palestinians learn the jews are human too.




I am afraid that will never happen for one thing and for another...it still will not solve anything. Israel will apologize for it's crimes, guess what it will do next? COMMIT MORE CRIMES!!!

Palestine will realize that the Jews are human beings........let's see........uh...... NEVER!!!!

[Mazdak]

Give israel its wish... move the palestinians out of israel....

AND THAN TURN ISRAEL INTO A PARKING LOT!!!

[saorise]

I read awhile ago that some members of the IRA wanted to give their weapons to the Palestinians instead of destroying them.

[deimos]

I am afraid that will never happen for one thing and for another...it still will not solve anything. Israel will apologize for it's crimes, guess what it will do next? COMMIT MORE CRIMES!!!

Palestine will realize that the Jews are human beings........let's see........uh......NEVER!!!!

You're so pessimistic!An apologize also contains th right of return.(they'll return in new homes the israelis build as an apologize!)
i know it sounds a little bit impossible, but i think it's possible.

[Looking twice]

don't arm the palestinians
Give them back the land that was stolen from them in the first place.
And give them a recognizable state

isreal is just simply backed up by the U.S.
The U.S. is build from capatalistic jews
they are the ones who have the call
that's why europe won't say anything about it,cuz those capatalistic jews are native europeans

[Reuben]

Quote: from man in the red suit on 7:39 pm on Aug. 18, 2002

Quote: from deimos on 3:33 pm on Aug. 18, 2002
iam also against this wall thing.they should spent the money on "bridges" not walls.Even if there is a wall, the palestinians and israelis wil never live in freedom.they should have a peacefull relationship.thats only possible when israel apologises for the crimes they did.and when the palestinians learn the jews are human too.




I am afraid that will never happen for one thing and for another...it still will not solve anything. Israel will apologize for it's crimes, guess what it will do next? COMMIT MORE CRIMES!!!

Palestine will realize that the Jews are human beings........let's see........uh...... NEVER!!!!




With Respect you are talking crap. The fact is that the PLO who have been elected to head the Palestinian authority not only recognize jews as human beings but have generoursly said the recognize Israel is 78 per cent of historic palestine.

And with regard to your idea of this giant wqall seperating the two ethnic groups, what solution do you propose for the masses off Palestinians who were forced from their homes in what is now Israel and are not allowed back to their houses due to israels racist immigration policy.



Reuben

[uth1984]

Judging by the numbers of innocents dying in suicide attacks, they are pretty fuckin armed already.

[new democracy]

Reuben, i disagree with you about the PLO. they are the palestinians cappis. arafat and his gang are totaly rich while their people starving.

[Pinko]

Guerilla warfare will never work well in Israel. It is too small and densely populated. There will be nowhere to hide.
Disarming the Israelis might work. Well, not disarming as such, but if the US stopped pouring in as much military aid, the Israelis might be forced to actually negotiate for a change.

[Guardia Bolivariano]

If Israel stops bombing The palestinian establisments and getting help from the US.They won't need to arm the palestinians.They should listen to the UN resolution that gives the palestinian people a right To exist.

[KickMcCann]

I say we just nuke every single person on the planet!

That will stop everyone from ever fighting!

Again, sarcasm.