The New International

[novemba]

A new international. Possible? Likely? Impossible? Unlikely?

I see it as the only way, marxism was based on a worldly view, and marxist (or even leftist or anti-imperialist) countries need each other, it's the only way to succede. I'm thinking Cuba, Venezuala, Iran, Vietnam, European-Socialists, China, all non-pro-american south american countries or organizations, Mexico and other Central American countries could get invitations. Pretty much the whole world. If they wake up they'll realize they control oil, money, resources, and could really help each other out. What do you think...?

[workersunity]

Read up on some lenin's permanent revolution, and it will show that internationalism is needed for socialism

[novemba]

That's common knowledge.

Im speaking of the 7 "internationals" during the times of the USSR. Look up comintern, it was like the UN of the 2nd World.

[workersunity]

I dont think that will work, those countries are bound to have some competing interests, although i would say yes only if the countries came to together to oppose imperialism, especially US imperialism

[codyvo]

It is a great idea but the countries have so many opposing interests that it would be extremely difficult to organize something this large. And the US would intervene as best it can.

[comrade_mufasa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 10:33 PM
It is a great idea but the countries have so many opposing interests that it would be extremely difficult to organize something this large. And the US would intervene as best it can.
:( saddly that is all very ture.

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 08:17 PM
That's common knowledge.

Im speaking of the 7 "internationals" during the times of the USSR. Look up comintern, it was like the UN of the 2nd World.
No.

Initially, the Comintern was a revolutionary organization. It united communist parties in different countries, with the aim of making a world revolution.

That we could use today. But of course what place would all those capitalist countries, plus European imperialist social-democrats, have in such an organization?

Later, the Comintern became a tool of Soviet foreign policy, and its affiliated parties bargaining chips in deals between the Kremlin and capitalist governments.

That we don't need, and fortunately there's no Stalinist state which could hope to excercise that kind of influence over the worldwide workers' movement today.

In either case, not a heterogenous, UN-type organization.

Maybe you're thinking of Comecon, the Soviet-bloc economic cooperation organization.

That would make sense then.

In fact, the idea of trade pacts among Latin American countries, not with the US, is catching on. Both Cuban and Venezuelan governments advocate it.

There's also a Southeast Asian trading bloc. China and others are considering whether to join it.

Inviting European imperialist countries to join would make no sense; the whole idea is to promote economic cooperation among the countries exploited by imperialism, while protecting their developing industries from imperialist competition. Really, that would make it a lot like NAFTA.

And politically, a global anti-American coalition....headed by French and German imperialism, the Deutschebank and Bourse.

A coalition which more and more leftists seem to be signing up with.

[novemba]

Still though, in theory it sounds great, but couldn't anti-imperialist nations form a economic bloc international and not just by continent? Also, do you think it would be possible to form a alternative to OPEC, or just stop trading with agressors?

[Raisa]

Anti Imperialist nations?

How about if all nation's governments had as much money and power as the united states?

They would probably do imperialist things too. What makes them any better?

If a nation wont even give its people true socialism, then what makes them any better?

[Zingu]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 09:26 PM
Anti Imperialist nations?

How about if all nation's governments had as much money and power as the united states?

They would probably do imperialist things too. What makes them any better?

If a nation wont even give its people true socialism, then what makes them any better?
Bolivarian nations like Cuba, Venezeula, Paraguay and Brazil are actually discussing about forming an anti-Imperialist alliance to oppose the USA; let me see if I dig up the article..

[bolshevik butcher]

The European is quite good. It's an organization of several groups from the left in europe.

[Kez]

Hey,

what would be the point of a capitalist alliance?

What we fight for as marxists is marxism, not the defence of semi-colonial capitalist countries against imperialist ones.

There are many internationals flying about, why dont you read into them, see which of the ideas are closest to you, and join and help build? the one im a member of is the CMI (Committee for Marxist International) whose website is www.marxist.com

Its the time to help build up our forces, so tomorow when the workers mobilize we can be ready!

[bolshevik butcher]

Sorry, i meant european social forum.

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 03:26 PM
Anti Imperialist nations?

How about if all nation's governments had as much money and power as the united states?

They would probably do imperialist things too. What makes them any better?
Well, in reality, they aren't.

So the distinction between imperialist countries, and countries oppressed by imperialism, remains significant.

Working people in these countries desperately need economic development, and an end to imperialist economic development. Trading blocs among them can help.