Health Propaganda

[1936]

You hear the storys they give you in drugs education, and you ofcourse arnt keen on sparking up in the near future, but ive been doin it for years and i can feel any LONG TERM negative effects. Is it capatilst bullshit to destroy independence, or is it actually proven to really REALLY fuck with you permanatley.

[Socialist_Smurf]

I don't think it's "capitalist" bull shit so much as right wing bullshit. You see, they both are shit, but they are different flavors :D Most of the modern drug warnings come from the 60's and 70's when the "New Left" (i.e., the hippies, draft dodgers, comrades, other people i admire) was up and rising. The Nixion administration in particular launched many bogus studies to prove that smoking marijuana and doing drugs led to this "radical" behavior. Some may remember how very very harsh the drug laws were in the 60's, they make modern day drug laws look like a slap on the wrist almost. But, i digress, the studies were of course flawed and purposefully biased. One such example is the proving that Marijuana smoke kills, they lit many, many, MANY marijuana cigarettes around a chimpanze and showed how it suffocated. I have no specific examples of this, I read all of it on internet sites and their was a story on the History Channel actually. However, i'm sure you'll find numerous stoner sites agreeing with me. I personally don't do drugs, YES it does fuck you up, but not as badly as you have been taught. It's the TLC that gets you, not the smoke. So as long as you don't smoke a garden hose full of pot daily, you're fine.

[Urban Guerrilla]

They took these right-winged people who were against marijuana, and studied it. After studying it for so long they found it should be legalized because it really has no long term affects and no one has died from overdosing on marijuana (unlike alcohol) and punishment/people incarcerated for it is just outrageous.

[guerillablack]

I'm pretty sure it's prove to mess up short term memory, now i don't know if its truely a gateway drug though.

[1936]

The only reason people belive it fucks up short term memory is because people who just start, are obviousley going to have worst effects then the more used to it. And beginers often belive that there stoned, then wake up the day after and belive its all gone, but in truth when you first stone your effectively fucked up a in some way for a month, therefor beginers belive that there memorys fucked forever.

But in honesty no longer after a month of taking cannabis youll be fully functional and your body is completly free of all substances thatll fuck with you.

[monkeydust]

It's not that bad for you, but from my experience it clearly does have at least limited long-term effects - it ain't called "dope" for nothing - and, moreover, fresh studies from New Zealand have shown a fairly strong link between excessive marijuana use and psychotic illnesses.

Anyone who claims that warnings against excessive use are "capitalist propaganda" has clearly had a few too many joints.

[1936]

You cannot present any anti-cannabis information without it going through the hands of capatilsm.

Capatilsm wants you to not do drugs because of "zen"

zen is the feeling of indepence you get from drugs.

Independce under capatilsm means your not functioning in the way the oppreser wants, and were costing them money.

[monkeydust]

Oh, come off it.

You're portraying smoking a few joints as some "fight against oppression". That, my friend, is a joke.

And yes, there are still some scientists who conduct research and aren't yet in the pockets of capitalists, believe it or not.

[1936]

When did i say by smoking "splifs" that your fighting capatilsm?

Cannabis brings the realistaion of things beyond money and status UNDEFIABLY!

No state has ever renounced drugs without there own benefit being present.

[1936]

If you had £40,000 of debt.....you panick....and in panick you work crap hours for shit money.....and you work damn hard....

Capatilsm is happy because your bending over for them, and there geting rich!

Can you denie? that under the influence of marajuina you take that £40,000 debt and say fuck it, i aint workin.

[monkeydust]

When did i say by smoking "splifs" that your fighting capatilsm?


I read between the lines.

You said that by smoking a spliff you're doing what the "oppressor" doesn't want. You portrayed it as some pseudo-defiance against the ruling-classes.


Can you denie? that under the influence of marajuina you take that £40,000 debt and say fuck it, i aint workin.


Great.

You've still gotta pay off your debt at the end of the day, though, haven't you?

[LSD]

You cannot present any anti-cannabis information without it going through the hands of capatilsm.

"No one knows how 'dope' got into our country... most say it was the reds that did it, though. They did in China, and they're probably doing it here."
- The Terrible Truth (US propaganda film on Marijuana, circa 1965.


You've still gotta pay off your debt at the end of the day, though, haven't you?

Well, that is the question isn't it?

If everyone stopped buying into the system, and didn't "pay their debts" or "pay" at all.. how long do you think the system would really last.

Now, I'm not suggesting that Marijuana is the key to a successful revolution! :lol:

Nor am I saying that the right opposed Marijuana use because they see it as a challenge to capitalist dominance.

If anything, the "illegal" drug trade is a model of capitalism. After all, it doesn't have to deal with all that "government interference" Ayn Rand types are always on about.

Cpt.Anarchy, I would remind you that some of the biggest critics of drug use were self-described communists. Certainly the USSR's drug laws were hardly "progressive". Nor are China's today.

I would submit that the right's anti-drug stance is motivated more by poltical authoritarianism than economic liberalism.

They feel they have a duty to protect you from yourself. That isn't so much capitalism, as it is republicanism/representationalism.

We need to be rid of both.

[RevolutionaryLeftist]

ive said this a million fucking times but i will say it again. they attack marijuana because they can't tax it. since they can't tax it...ITS ILLEGAL! they just give mj a bad wrap because they want people to get behind them and be like"yeah man, pot is so bad for you" its all bullshit. i think they should show more commercials and shit against like meth and shit. that stuff is proven to be bad. marijuana is no less harmless then a cigarette. and this is proven...NO ONE HAS EVER DIED FROM MARIJUANA!!!!!!!!!

[pandora]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2005, 09:03 AM
ive said this a million fucking times but i will say it again. they attack marijuana because they can't tax it. since they can't tax it...ITS ILLEGAL! they just give mj a bad wrap because they want people to get behind them and be like"yeah man, pot is so bad for you" its all bullshit. i think they should show more commercials and shit against like meth and shit. that stuff is proven to be bad. marijuana is no less harmless then a cigarette. and this is proven...NO ONE HAS EVER DIED FROM MARIJUANA!!!!!!!!!
Oppression of the use of marijuana goes back to ancient times in India when a bunch of Brahmins started smoking and dropped out.

Marijuana has always been associated with the most grievous sin of all :o unproductivity.

In our society you can be a bloody murderer as long as you get the job done, but if you are not productive, then you should starve to death.

[LSD]

ive said this a million fucking times but i will say it again. they attack marijuana because they can't tax it. since they can't tax it...ITS ILLEGAL!

:lol:!

I think you've reversed things. :D

Marijuana isn't illegal because it "can't be taxed", it "can't be taxed" because it's illegal.

If it were legalized, they would tax it.


Marijuana has always been associated with the most grievous sin of all unproductivity.

So is alchohol.

It's legal.

Sorry, but the world is far more complex than that.

[1936]

Can anyone that has ever indulged in frequent cannabis taking at one point, say that they did not feel the freedom from all chains of capatilsm?

Capatilsm only works if people belive that money is important. And the truth is its not, and when taking marajuina you realise this!

If no-one believed there life evolved around gaining money, then we wouldnt work under other people doing what they tell us is "reaching your goals" when really were just helping them reach theres.

Marajuina frees the mind from the boundries of what is real and what is conventional.

[The Apathetic Atheist]

In moderation marijuana does not negatively affect or even change a person all that much more than to make them happier. :D This is a lot different from other legal and illegal substances... ;)

I think everyone should smoke marijuana once or twice in their lifetime. It would help everyone enjoy life more. Marijuana cured my depression.

[Se7en]

good old ganja will bring us our revolution. impressive theory.

in a non-capitalist system it will also be necessary for everyone to be as productive as his/her physical & mental abilities allow otherwise that whole socialism thing isn't going to work out too well.

[LSD]

n a non-capitalist system it will also be necessary for everyone to be as productive as his/her physical & mental abilities allow otherwise that whole socialism thing isn't going to work out too well.

I trust you aren't suggesting that a communist society "outlaw" personal use of marijuana!

:o


Capatilsm only works if people belive that money is important. And the truth is its not, and when taking marajuina you realise this!

Marajuina frees the mind from the boundries of what is real and what is conventional.

Capitalism is not going to be overthrown with psychadelics, it is going to be overthrown through reason.

Capitalism is ludicrous when you're stoned, it's ludicrous when you're sober.

You don't need weed to see the obvious.

[Se7en]

Originally posted by Lysergic Acid [email protected]Mar 24 2005, 05:03 PM
I trust you aren't suggesting that a communist society "outlaw" personal use of marijuana!

:o
i do not support a flat out ban of marijuana. that statement was in reference to a previous post:


Marijuana has always been associated with the most grievous sin of all unproductivity.

In our society you can be a bloody murderer as long as you get the job done, but if you are not productive, then you should starve to death.


perhaps that sheds some light on my point.

[1936]

If i gave the impression of a revolution based SOULY around the intake of cannabis....im sorry.

All im saying is that

A) I dont belive cannabis to be any more harmful then cigarettes (wich are actually kind of harmful come to think about it)

B) The health risks were fabricated by scientists

C) Cannabis brings about the realisation of a world with out so much material need. Like what we fight for

[LSD]

A) I dont belive cannabis to be any more harmful then cigarettes (wich are actually kind of harmful come to think about it)

Granted.


B) The health risks were fabricated by scientists

Well... not really.

If you mean the truly outrageous claims made in the 50s, 60s, and 70s then yes, but if you mean the claims made today, then no.

Marijuana, if smoked, is a carcinogen. There is no doubt that persistent smoking dramatically increases your risk of lung cancer. Furthermore there are some convincing studies that show potential long-term impairmant from protracted heavy use. Marijuana is also a CNS depresent and impairs judgement and response time, increasing the risk of accident, and increasing the likely damage should an accident occur.

Now, none of this means that anyone has the right to tell you that you can't smoke weed if you want to... but saying that scientists are "fabricating" health risks is dihonest and not helpful.


C) Cannabis brings about the realisation of a world with out so much material need. Like what we fight for

...or it gets you stoned. :redstar2000:

This "realization" is far more useful when it comes to sober people. Sure, some may find Cabbabis to be an enlightening experience which helps them discover the transigence of materialism and the inherently flawed nature of wealth.. but most probably won't.

Believe me, I know plenty of people who smoke pot every day and still manage to be ardent capitalists.

Certainly there is no evidence that marijuana causes communism!

:lol:!

[1936]

Well if people chose to think within the boundries and restraints of reality then that is there choice. But i chose to think on a higher realm of thought and to attain i belive in the taking of drugs. Plus its cheaper then beer!

I could die living today, or i could go to 60 never having lived.