Elvis

[codyvo]

I personally think that Elvis sucked, not because the music was bad some of it was actually fairly enjoyablebut all of his hit songs had been written and performed by black musicians. All the songs had moderate popular to selected audiences but when a marketable white boy comes along and sings them they become the most popular songs of that generations and several generations later.

So does Elvis suck or not suck?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

he sucked

[Hampton]

Sucks.

[Don't Change Your Name]

It's impossible for me to decide that. I don't even remember any of his songs anyway...

[Roses in the Hospital]

Nobody can doubt the influence of Elvis. He had a superb voice and one of the greatest stage presences ever. He had some great songs, some average ones and some terrible ones. I personaly like a lot of his stuff. Really though, it doesn't matter if he sucked or not, he is, and always will be, a legend...

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

...and a fucking hack.
Ever bother to question why he's a legend?
I was just looking at his 30 #1 Hits album on amazon.com, and at least the first 5 tracks on that disc were not written by him. Not only did he borrow his material, he borrowed the entire style. He was anything but original and innovative.
He's a legend because (1) he was white, unlike the rock musicians that came before him and (2) he got some catchy tunes written and performed by his black contemporaries and used his sex appeal to be successful, because frankly, his music was nothing new.

Fuck Elvis.

[redstar2000]

Sucked!

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/123.gif

[T_SP]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 12:07 AM
...and a fucking hack.
Ever bother to question why he's a legend?
I was just looking at his 30 #1 Hits album on amazon.com, and at least the first 5 tracks on that disc were not written by him. Not only did he borrow his material, he borrowed the entire style. He was anything but original and innovative.
He's a legend because (1) he was white, unlike the rock musicians that came before him and (2) he got some catchy tunes written and performed by his black contemporaries and used his sex appeal to be successful, because frankly, his music was nothing new.

Fuck Elvis.
Right on!! Elvis was a fucking twat, if he'd gyrated anywhere near me I'd have kicked his sorry ass!! His music sux and every cover that's been done since he did it has been way better! I heard he could only play like 3 chords on the guitar useless ass hole! :angry:

[T_SP]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 12:07 AM
...and a fucking hack.
Ever bother to question why he's a legend?
I was just looking at his 30 #1 Hits album on amazon.com, and at least the first 5 tracks on that disc were not written by him. Not only did he borrow his material, he borrowed the entire style. He was anything but original and innovative.
He's a legend because (1) he was white, unlike the rock musicians that came before him and (2) he got some catchy tunes written and performed by his black contemporaries and used his sex appeal to be successful, because frankly, his music was nothing new.

Fuck Elvis.
Right on!! Elvis was a fucking twat, if he'd gyrated anywhere near me I'd have kicked his sorry ass!! His music sux and every cover that's been done since he did it has been way better! I heard he could only play like 3 chords on the guitar useless ass hole! :angry:

[Anarchist Freedom]

He may be the king of rock and roll but he sucks. Sorry lisa marie presely your daddy isnt god.

[T_SP]

Sucked so bad it ain't beliveable!

[Roses in the Hospital]

Lots of pop stars don't write there own songs. Does that mean they're necessarily take away their validity as performers? How many other people have the level of stage presence and charisma Elvis had? I can think of Freddie Mercury and hardly anyone else...

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Elvis was a hero to most
But he never meant shit to me you see
Straight up racist that sucker was
Simple and plain
Mother fuck him and John Wayne
(Public Enemy)

[Hate Is Art]

Elvis was just a pretty face with a good voice. He had some good song but he is vastly overrated.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by Roses in the [email protected] 22 2005, 04:53 PM
Lots of pop stars don't write there own songs. Does that mean they're necessarily take away their validity as performers?
Yes. Britney Spears is famous just because he looks "sexy" and he sings "well". Nothing else. Why should Birntye Spears be more popular than, say, Peter Gabriel?


How many other people have the level of stage presence and charisma Elvis had? I can think of Freddie Mercury and hardly anyone else...

Yeah, but Freddie Mercury would write songs.

The only good thing about Elvis was his voice. As I said, I can't say if he "sucked", since he was probably important back then. But not anymore.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

http://www.zonadeobras.com/ultrasonica/Articulos2003/elvis%20costello.jpg

The good Elvis!

[Invader Zim]

Personally Elvis does little for me...

Britney Spears is famous just because he looks "sexy" and he sings "well". Nothing else.

The exact same can be argued of the Beatles especially in their early days, and anybody who denies the brilliance of the Beatles is just plain incorrect, and their petty opinion can be discounted, on all subjects. By disliking the Beatles you forfit the right to an opinion... on anything.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I could have sworn that I posted in this thread before.

Anyway, I'd choose Tom Jones over Elvis anyday.

And Peter Gabriel fucking rocks.

[codyvo]

Originally posted by Roses in the [email protected] 22 2005, 04:53 PM
How many other people have the level of stage presence and charisma Elvis had? I can think of Freddie Mercury and hardly anyone else...
Roger Daltrey
James Brown
Mick Jagger
Otis Redding
Jimi Hendrix
Jim Morrison

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2005, 03:21 AM
I could have sworn that I posted in this thread before.

Anyway, I'd choose Tom Jones over Elvis anyday.
Choosing Tom Jones over anything, even the noise emitted from a cat with its arse sowed up, automatically means that any opinion you have had, or ever will have stricken from history. Your right to an opinion has just been revoked. ;)

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

By disliking the Beatles you forfit the right to an opinion... on anything.

That's really fuckin weak.
I love The Beatles, but I can easily see how someone could dislike their music.
And they were never thought to have been sexy.
And even in their first two album, "Please Please Me" and "With the Beatles" both of which had a lot of covers, also had a lot of original material. "Beatles for Sale" also had some covers, but again, with plenty of original material.

However, I do believe that a great musician may not be a great songwriter. That's okay. Eric Clapton is a very mediocre songwriter, but he's a great guitarist who has put out great music. I'm not personally a fan of most of his post-Cream work. Most of it was either below-par covers of great bluesmens' songs or cookie-cutter 70s pop. (There are a few exceptions.) Even though he was not a great songwriter, Cream was still quite innovative.

Speaking of which, Clapton turns 60 today.

Elvis, however, was nether a good songwriter or an innovator.
Fats Domino and Chuck Berry had done the same thing, but better years before. His style and his music were stolen. Excuse me, he did come up with the pelvis thrust. (Or was that stolen from Forrest?)

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Choosing Tom Jones over anything, even the noise emitted from a cat with its arse sowed up, automatically means that any opinion you have had, or ever will have stricken from history. Your right to an opinion has just been revoked. ;)

Oooh, aren't we fucking Mr Culture here... :P

Anyone with at least a brainstem can appreciate him ;)

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2005, 03:32 AM

Choosing Tom Jones over anything, even the noise emitted from a cat with its arse sowed up, automatically means that any opinion you have had, or ever will have stricken from history. Your right to an opinion has just been revoked. ;)

Oooh, aren't we fucking Mr Culture here... :P

Anyone with at least a brainstem can appreciate him ;)
Oooh, aren't we fucking Mr Culture here... :P

God damn right I am, sheesh what kinda question is that? Hell, I must have heard at least one Mozart sonnet!

Anyone with at least a brainstem can appreciate him ;)

I thought I told you your opinion making privileges had been revoked!

But seriously Tom Jones makes a good case for Capitol punishment, and thats fro the crime of heinous "Sex Bomb" alone.

That's really fuckin weak.

Do I have to revoke your right to an opinion? Two in one day, this is not on! :P

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

As RevLeft music forum mod, I revoke your right to an opinion.
Compulsory conformity of Enigma's musical tastes to my own in effect as of March 30, 2005, 9:42 PM standard US central time.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2005, 03:42 AM
As RevLeft music forum mod, I revoke your right to an opinion.
Compulsory conformity of Enigma's musical tastes to my own in effect as of March 30, 2005, 9:42 PM standard US central time.
Auww.. bollocks.

Can i have my opinions back now?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

http://gorillamask.net/rainbow.shtml

[EneME]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 02:55 AM
So does Elvis suck or not suck?
sucked fat....testicles...like bozg's... ;)

[Thomas]

^^ :lol:

Elvis sucks, and I've posted here before.

[pandora]

Originally posted by codyvo+Mar 31 2005, 05:53 AM--> (codyvo @ Mar 31 2005, 05:53 AM)
Roses in the [email protected] 22 2005, 04:53 PM
How many other people have the level of stage presence and charisma Elvis had? I can think of Freddie Mercury and hardly anyone else...
Roger Daltrey
James Brown
Mick Jagger
Otis Redding
Jimi Hendrix
Jim Morrison [/b]
David Bowie
Iggy Pop
John Prine (check out his old records)
hum Hank Williams and Woody Gutherie, neither of whom was deceived about their music being the music of country people of the rural South: Black and White.
Wendy O' Williams
Chuck Berry
Ray Charles
Bo Diddley, that's BO to you and that freakin honkey Elvis for stealing his shit and doing it half as good, Bo even had a women on guitar burning it up 20 years before Poison Ivy
Poison Ivy
Lee Ving
Richie Stotts
Jimi Hendrix, opps said that well
Richard Hell
Nick Cave
Diamanda Galas
Kate Bush
John Cale
Carlos Santana
Jerry Garcia
Elton John, believe it or not quite brillant really
"Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids
In fact it's cold as hell
And there's no one there to raise them if you did
And all this science I don't understand
It's just my job five days a week"
Means fuck more than "You ain't nothing but a hound dog."
In a world when zeroed out politicians are sending reams of cash to prolong space ships to Mars rather than feeding people, just like P-Funk said
oh yeah George Clinton, speaking of which,

You can see a continuation of this arguement of "Stolen LEgacy" under a P-Funk website http://www.soul-patrol.com/funk/stolen.htm

hell why do you think people get famous? Its because of chrisma.

[Thomas]

FUCKING BOB DYLAN

[KrazyRabidSheep]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 02:55 AM
I personally think that Elvis sucked, not because the music was bad some of it was actually fairly enjoyablebut all of his hit songs had been written and performed by black musicians. All the songs had moderate popular to selected audiences but when a marketable white boy comes along and sings them they become the most popular songs of that generations and several generations later.

So does Elvis suck or not suck?
1. Elvis DID suck.
2. The music was written to BE preformed by a variety of different musicians. When it was written, it was no more intended to belong to anybody then "God Save the Queen" or "Cotton Eye Joe".

It was understood among the musicians who preformed such songs that the music belonged to the listener, and the preformer was simply the middleman, whom had the satisfaction of comparing him/herself to other greats who already did their own version.

Think of a Shakespearian play.
Who owns them? Nobody, really.
Who preforms them? Anyone who wants to.

Elvis was the same. Elvis was just an actor who wanted to play a part.
The songwriters were Shakespear. They wrote the songs for money, and couldn't care less who used them.

The only thing that Elvis did differently was preform while being white, attracting white audiences, bringing that type of music to the foreground.

Elvis didn't steal anything. . .he just borrowed.

The reason he sucks is because he wasn't very good.
He got a lot of hype because he was a white boy who introduced a whole genre of music to the (white) public that previously had been only done by black musicians.

[wiebew]

Elvis sucks!

[Roses in the Hospital]

Roger Daltrey
James Brown
Mick Jagger
Otis Redding
Jimi Hendrix
Jim Morrison


James Brown and maybe Hendrix fair enough. But the other's aren't quite in the same league...

[SgtPepper369]

Originally posted by Roses in the [email protected] 31 2005, 04:48 PM


Roger Daltrey
James Brown
Mick Jagger
Otis Redding
Jimi Hendrix
Jim Morrison


James Brown and maybe Hendrix fair enough. But the other's aren't quite in the same league...
You LOOSE!!! all of those guys have way better stage presence than Elvis. And to name a few more: Joe Strummer, Bob Marley, Tosh, Bunny, Joe Hill, Elvis Costello, Pete Townshend. They all put on better shows than Elvis... AC/DC even. KISS! Can't stand em' but Simmons and whatever his name is are better frontmen than Elvis. Lets see... ohh yeah Bruce Springsteen. Even in his own time period Elvis wasn't the greatest. Chuck Berry owned him.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

But seriously Tom Jones makes a good case for Capitol punishment, and thats fro the crime of heinous "Sex Bomb" alone.

Are you lobotamised, that's an awesome song!

[codyvo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2005, 02:39 AM

God damn right I am, sheesh what kinda question is that? Hell, I must have heard at least one Mozart sonnet!
Mozart didn't write sonnets.

[codyvo]

Originally posted by krazyrabidsheep+Mar 31 2005, 06:19 AM--> (krazyrabidsheep @ Mar 31 2005, 06:19 AM)
[email protected] 28 2005, 02:55 AM
I personally think that Elvis sucked, not because the music was bad some of it was actually fairly enjoyablebut all of his hit songs had been written and performed by black musicians. All the songs had moderate popular to selected audiences but when a marketable white boy comes along and sings them they become the most popular songs of that generations and several generations later.

So does Elvis suck or not suck?
1. Elvis DID suck.
2. The music was written to BE preformed by a variety of different musicians. When it was written, it was no more intended to belong to anybody then "God Save the Queen" or "Cotton Eye Joe".

It was understood among the musicians who preformed such songs that the music belonged to the listener, and the preformer was simply the middleman, whom had the satisfaction of comparing him/herself to other greats who already did their own version.

Think of a Shakespearian play.
Who owns them? Nobody, really.
Who preforms them? Anyone who wants to.

Elvis was the same. Elvis was just an actor who wanted to play a part.
The songwriters were Shakespear. They wrote the songs for money, and couldn't care less who used them.

The only thing that Elvis did differently was preform while being white, attracting white audiences, bringing that type of music to the foreground.

Elvis didn't steal anything. . .he just borrowed.

The reason he sucks is because he wasn't very good.
He got a lot of hype because he was a white boy who introduced a whole genre of music to the (white) public that previously had been only done by black musicians. [/b]
No actually the only reason prople can use God save the Queen and perform Shakespeare is because the copyright laws have expired. Many of the songs Elvis performed were very personel songs that talked about their hardships, Elvis didn't have any hardships.

When some of the artists that wrote Elvis' music tried to release albums they would be sewed by Elvis' record label because he bought the rights to their songs.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2005, 02:16 AM
Personally Elvis does little for me...

Britney Spears is famous just because he looks "sexy" and he sings "well". Nothing else.

The exact same can be argued of the Beatles especially in their early days, and anybody who denies the brilliance of the Beatles is just plain incorrect, and their petty opinion can be discounted, on all subjects. By disliking the Beatles you forfit the right to an opinion... on anything.
Wait a second...this is like a "deja vu"...is this the second time you relate the Beatles with Britney Spears or I'm hallucinating?

The Beatles COULD write songs. Their respect is not built on stupid female teenagers screaming, it comes from music critics, musicians, etc.

Not from 12 years old girls who bought "Please Please Me". Besides, Britney is 100% advertising, 0% music.

The individuals who came up with albums such as Revolver, Sgt. Pepper's, Abbey Road and the white album were not called "Elvis Presley" or "Britney Spears".

And by the way, their "early era" was their worst. Their greatest stuff came out after 1965.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2005, 07:02 PM
You LOOSE!!! all of those guys have way better stage presence than Elvis. And to name a few more: Joe Strummer, Bob Marley, Tosh, Bunny, Joe Hill, Elvis Costello, Pete Townshend.
Pete Townshend! Yeah, definately, 50 times what Elvis could achieve.

Even Ringo Starr would qualify.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Stage presence really can't be argued like, this folks. It really has to do with success, which is quite subjective.

[Ell Carino]

He had some good songs, LOve You Tender, Suspicious Minds etc

But he was racist, he said something like:

"the only thing a nigga is good at is buying my records or cleaning my shoes".