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RebeldePorLaPAZ
24th February 2005, 23:57
This is something new, I am sure you have seen the postings of the Free People's Movement before and it is still going on. You can see the progress made on the new website http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org . But I am posting this to bring awarness to a new group that is part of the FPM called Revolutionary Youth.

The Revolutionary Youth is the youth organization of the Free People's Movement. They aim to organize young people around the world and to increase their involvement in the creation of the future.

Program of the Revolutionary Youth

Part 1 - Description:
The Revolutionary Youth is the youth organization of the Free People's Movement. We aim to organize young people around the world and to increase their involvement in the creation of the future. The Revolutionary Youth is organisationally independent and decides and executes its own activities.

The Revolutionary Youth promotes social and recreational activities amoung young people that advance the unity and conciousness of young people.

The Revolutionary Youth is truly democratic. Policies and activities are decided through direct democracy by the members themselves, working in unity and co-operation with the Free People's Movement. We reject all forms of unfair discrimination on the basis of race, sex, age, sexuality, religious or other belief.

The Revolutionary Youth is a part of an international movement which fights for a free, just, and equal society. We never put our own interests above this movement and the people it represents.

The Revolutionary Youth is an internationalist organization. We accept, and attempt to build, new membership from around the world. We stand in solidarity with sister revolutionary youth organizations, and defend revolutionary people, societies, and movements around the world. We support the right of self determination and oppose imperialism in all forms, including imperialist attempts to impose their will on the peoples of the world or to exploit the world's resources.

The Revolutionary Youth unites young people in the fight for a free, just, and equal society. We believe a key part of this fight is the fight to defend, strengthen, and create new public services and democratic rights. We also fight to protect the environment from the damage being inflicted on it by the capitalist class and their governments. We believe that everyone has the right to food, clothing, education, health care, housing, meaningful employment, and other basic needs.

The Revolutionary Youth is exactly that, revolutionary. We aim to instill ideas into the youth in order to give them a base from which to create revolutionary change in the current social order. We publicize our revolutionary policies, ideas, and activities through our newspaper "Rebel Yell!", which provides a channel for us to reach a wide audience among the youth of the world.

See more...
http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/ry/program.html

The Revolutionary Youth

Q: Why do you call yourselves the Revolutionary Youth?
A: Simply put, because we are a youth organization and we realize that revolutionary change is neccessary to create a better future.

Q: What kind of people are in the Revolutionary Youth?
A. The Revolutionary Youth is made up of people who want to help change the world for the better. People all over the world and from many different backgrounds belong to the Revolutionary Youth.

Q: Why do people join the Revolutionary Youth?
A: People that are fed up with the ills of capitalism (homelessness, unemployment, poverty, racism, sexism, inequality, lack of healthcare and quality education, police brutality, etc) and who want to make a change join the Revolutionary Youth. They want to help rid the world of these ills and play a part in creating a new society, one based on freedom, justice and equality.

Q. How can I make a difference? I'm only one person!
A. Join the Revolutionary Youth! Strength lies in numbers, and when we unite we realize the power we have.

Q: How does the Revolutionary Youth participate in creating a better future?
A: In cooperation with the Free People's Movement we fight for free quality education, housing, healthcare, and employment for all, as well as fighting against racism, sexism, police brutality, and other ills of capitalist society. We work to raise the conciousness of oppressed peoples around the world, and organize them into an organization in which they can unite and use their power to make a real change in the world.

Q: What sort of activities do the Revolutionary Youth do?
A: We have events like parties and trips, we have meetings, we create and publish our newspaper "The Rebel Yell!"--we decide as a whole all activities of the group.

Q: Do I have to know alot about, or be very involved in politics, or be a Marxist to join the Revolutionary Youth?
A: No. If you want to make a change in the world we live in, and take part in creating a better future you should join the Revolutionary Youth.

Q: What happens to members of the Revolutionary Youth when they are no longer youth or are ready to move on?
A: When members reach the age of 16, and/or are ready to become more involved in the fight to create a free, just and equal society, they are encouraged to become members of the Free People's Movement. For more information on the Free People's Movement, visit www.freepeoplesmovement.org

See more...
http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/ry/faq.html

RedStarOverChina
25th February 2005, 04:31
Way to go. I support all of ur values except for one little thing...Whts ur idea of a revolution? I must confess Im more moderate on that issue. I believe revolutions MUST be achieved without violence (or minimized violence) in countries like US and Canada, or no one's going to support us.

guerillablack
25th February 2005, 04:58
excellent site especially the online books. that book by ricardo santiago named the people's revolution, how would you rate it?

RebeldePorLaPAZ
25th February 2005, 16:01
Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 12:31 AM
Way to go. I support all of ur values except for one little thing...Whts ur idea of a revolution? I must confess Im more moderate on that issue. I believe revolutions MUST be achieved without violence (or minimized violence) in countries like US and Canada, or no one's going to support us.
This is taken from the manifesto of the FPM. Although I will make it clear with one simple quote...

"Where a government has come into power through some form of popular vote, fraudulent or not, and maintains at least an appearance of constitutional legality, the guerrilla outbreak cannot be promoted, since the possibilities of peaceful struggle have not yet been exhausted." - Ernesto Che Guevara

V. Revolutionary Change

As mentioned previously, history shows us that the class who controls the property controls the political and economic power, and is not willing to relinquish that power without a life-or-death struggle. In other words, in order for any real change to occur, revolutionary action is necessary. Representative democracy can provide no real change, for it is the system, more than any particular representative, which operates in direct opposition to the interests of our class.

While we support all attempts to better the conditions of the working class, we reject the ability of electoral politics or reform to create any real change. Take for instance the election of Salvador Allende in Chile in 1970. His government promised to create a new Chile, to nationalize foreign capital and trade, to extend agrarian reform, and to pave the way for a state under the control of the working class.

In the first year of presidency, Allende began with the free distribution of a half a liter of milk for all children, new laws were passed to develop social services, governmental salaries were limited, prices were fixed, there was a 60% increase in wages, political prisoners were released, inflation began to come under control, the riot police were disbanded, major nationalizations such as the nationalization of many of the textile, iron, automobile, and copper industries took place, three major copper mines owned by American capital were nationalized, 60% of Chile's banks were taken into public ownership, and the three largest copper mines (all owned by American capital) were nationalized, with no compensation paid. There were events such as workers seizing 14 textile mills, to which Allende reacted by nationalizing them immediately to insure no stop in production, and by the end of 1971, 263 factories had been taken under state control.

The result? America suspended finical aid and credits to the Chilean government, while at the same time continuing to send aid to the Chilean military. In autumn of 1972 the capitalist class reacted by staging an owner's strike, and on June 29th a coup was attempted that failed. There was an immediate and strong reaction of the working class in which they occupied factories and strengthened their action committees, while calling for Allende to dissolve parliament and execute the engineers of the coup. Allende's failure to mobilize and arm the workers proved to be fatal.

Finally, on September 11th 1973 the Chilean military, back by the CIA, launched a military coup which would later lead to one of the most brutal dictatorships in human history. At the palace Salvador Allende decided instead of surrendering, to pick up a gun, and he died fighting. This points to the possibility that in the end, he understood that real change can only occur through revolutionary action and not through electoral politics.


excellent site especially the online books. that book by ricardo santiago named the people's revolution, how would you rate it?

I have yet to finnish it all but it is, from what I have read, a must read! Check it out, it's all up on the site for free I think.

- Paz

RedStarOverChina
25th February 2005, 17:36
Forces are essencial in a proletariats revolution in third world countries, no question about it.

But what about in countries like US and Canada? Violence must be minimized (directed towards a small group of vicious capitalists, a very, very small group), because people fear violence and will not support us.

But i dont see fundamental differences between us. So how do i help out with the organization? I wanna be a part of it

RebeldePorLaPAZ
25th February 2005, 19:35
But what about in countries like US and Canada? Violence must be minimized (directed towards a small group of vicious capitalists, a very, very small group), because people fear violence and will not support us.

As mentioned previously, history shows us that the class who controls the property controls the political and economic power, and is not willing to relinquish that power without a life-or-death struggle. In other words, in order for any real change to occur, revolutionary action is necessary.

Activism, media reform, social change all have to be targeted. When looking at a country like the United States and Canada, countries of the first world, obviously you cannot engage in an armed revolution because the support isn’t there and there are several reasons for that. If you spend time in an urban city such as Hartford, Connecticut you will witness first hand the poverty, the sufferings and the struggle of everyday life. What is needed in these conditions is not an armed revolution but education. We need to work for revolutionary change in not just in an armed fashion but in one that targets the social structure of these places. Education is the first thing that we must target. Setting up centers where the people can go where they can learn about socialism, people’s unity and an alternative to living in the ghetto is what is needed. Health centers run by the people, people’s library’s, jobs run by the people that give back to the people, homes where the people wouldn’t need to pay all the money earned at work just to live is needed.

Example,
if we can take one apartment, lets say a typical urban apartment abandoned or for sale, with space for a store or stores on the first floor and three or more apartments in it. We can create a store of some type where the people living in the apartment work and earn pay, thus in return eliminating a heavy monthly rent that urban dwellers usually face. They would pay the lowest in the city for rent, earn money, and on the other hand you would have a store providing for the people at prices where the people don’t suffer. Say it’s a cafe, the cafe would fill the pockets of the workers and the FPM, in turn generating money to expand and make more centers like this. If the café can provide a book store even better because education would be distributed to the people. As long as we don’t have a capitalistic mindset to a project like this we can achieve it and once that has happened you have made revolutionary change. Only then can we expand on that change were we would be represented in a democratic process.


But i dont see fundamental differences between us. So how do i help out with the organization? I wanna be a part of it

To join the Revolutionary Youth visit...
http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/ry/index.html

If you want to join the Free People's Movement visit this link...
http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/join.html

Become a Supporting Member:
Those persons who are unable or unwilling to be active in the FPM's actions and decision making, but who are still interested in supporting the movement, can best do so by becoming a supporting member. Supporting members submit a monthly sustaining contribution to the movement, and receive a subscription to the movement newspaper of there choice. Supporting members may attend meetings, and are entitled to voice their opinions, but are afforded no deciding vote.

Read more...
http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/support.html

-Paz

Livetrueordie
25th February 2005, 20:05
DO u know if u have to pay to koin the youth, cuz u do if u join the FPM so i figured u had to pay for RY

RebeldePorLaPAZ
25th February 2005, 20:39
http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/ry/program.html
Program of the Revolutionary Youth

Article VI: Sustaining Contribution
The yearly sustaining contribution shall be $12.00 (US funds), which is to be collected by the finacial agent of each crew. Members not able to pay this sustaining contribution may claim financial hardship status and remain members in good standing until that time when they are able to pay.

In other words, 1 USD dollar a month.

- Paz

Nothing Human Is Alien
26th February 2005, 01:43
Right - the Revolutionary Youth requires 1 dollar a month, unless you can't afford it, then nothing. But most people in the "western" countries should be able to afford that. The FPM operates in the same fashion, with a sliding scale depending on how much you make monthly and where you live - as with the revolutionary youth, if you sincerely can't afford to pay, you're not denied membership.


Way to go. I support all of ur values except for one little thing...Whts ur idea of a revolution? I must confess Im more moderate on that issue. I believe revolutions MUST be achieved without violence (or minimized violence) in countries like US and Canada, or no one's going to support us.

We understand the need for revolutionary change--We don't have a 'party line' or anything of that nature. The beauty of the FPM is that by its very structure it can ONLY represent the views of it's members. I encourage you to check it out and if you're interested to join - http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/ry/index.html


that book by ricardo santiago named the people's revolution, how would you rate it?

The book isn't very long, you should be able to get through it rather fast. Give us feedback if you do. [email protected]

guerillablack
26th February 2005, 03:23
No, i have read it, but i wanted other people's opinion on it, especially the last chapter which talked about revolutionary change, particulary urban and rural guerrilla warfare. Because it just seemed very farfetched to me especially to use these tactics in a 1st world country. Just because a militia may live out in rural areas, doesn't necessarily make them more adapt to this enviroment than the american army. As if the army doesn't have train for these type scenarios at all.

Guest
26th February 2005, 22:13
That book isnt specifically talking about 1st world countries, its actually directed at the 'third' world.

guerillablack
27th February 2005, 00:39
I know specifically it wouldve been nice.

Guest
27th February 2005, 04:52
Dont worry theres alot of other books in the works, and one specifically aimed at the developed countries.

Nothing Human Is Alien
27th February 2005, 04:55
Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 03:23 AM
No, i have read it, but i wanted other people's opinion on it, especially the last chapter which talked about revolutionary change, particulary urban and rural guerrilla warfare. Because it just seemed very farfetched to me especially to use these tactics in a 1st world country. Just because a militia may live out in rural areas, doesn't necessarily make them more adapt to this enviroment than the american army. As if the army doesn't have train for these type scenarios at all.
Other than the fact that it's not aimed at the advanced capitalist countries what did you think of it?

Nothing Human Is Alien
27th February 2005, 04:58
Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 05:36 PM
Forces are essencial in a proletariats revolution in third world countries, no question about it.

But what about in countries like US and Canada? Violence must be minimized (directed towards a small group of vicious capitalists, a very, very small group), because people fear violence and will not support us.

But i dont see fundamental differences between us. So how do i help out with the organization? I wanna be a part of it
to join the Revolutionary Youth

http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/ry/join.html


to join the Free Peoples Movement

http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/join.html

guerillablack
27th February 2005, 04:58
I thought it was welll written. One question though. The section on Armed Uprising. Was everything to be followed in that order?

Nothing Human Is Alien
27th February 2005, 05:03
from the introduction:

"The methods and examples herein are not immutable, and are designed as a framework to be altered to fit the concrete conditions of the region in which revolutionary change is desired. They are based on extensive study of successful and unsuccessful revolutions past incorporated with attributes of various liberating theories. "

bolshevik butcher
27th February 2005, 13:43
Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 04:31 AM
Way to go. I support all of ur values except for one little thing...Whts ur idea of a revolution? I must confess Im more moderate on that issue. I believe revolutions MUST be achieved without violence (or minimized violence) in countries like US and Canada, or no one's going to support us.
I think i'm with oyu in that, in a country with democracy in place violence seems uneccesary, however using violence against a dictatorship seems justified.

The Feral Underclass
27th February 2005, 16:32
Its all very vague and uninspiring. I think it is importabnt for people to join existing organisations and work within them to create other projects. They are established, have older members with more experience and have the resources and ideas to help you out.

Although I aplaud anyones desire to create change or projects it needs to be done within a certain perspective.

guerillablack
27th February 2005, 23:17
Originally posted by Clenched Fist+Feb 27 2005, 01:43 PM--> (Clenched Fist @ Feb 27 2005, 01:43 PM)
[email protected] 25 2005, 04:31 AM
Way to go. I support all of ur values except for one little thing...Whts ur idea of a revolution? I must confess Im more moderate on that issue. I believe revolutions MUST be achieved without violence (or minimized violence) in countries like US and Canada, or no one's going to support us.
I think i'm with oyu in that, in a country with democracy in place violence seems uneccesary, however using violence against a dictatorship seems justified. [/b]
However, America isn't a true democracy. Violence or the illumination that a party would resort to violence if necessary is needed for any political, social and econonmic change in America.

Nothing Human Is Alien
5th March 2005, 00:21
Originally posted by guerillablack+Feb 27 2005, 11:17 PM--> (guerillablack @ Feb 27 2005, 11:17 PM)
Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 27 2005, 01:43 PM

[email protected] 25 2005, 04:31 AM
Way to go. I support all of ur values except for one little thing...Whts ur idea of a revolution? I must confess Im more moderate on that issue. I believe revolutions MUST be achieved without violence (or minimized violence) in countries like US and Canada, or no one's going to support us.
I think i'm with oyu in that, in a country with democracy in place violence seems uneccesary, however using violence against a dictatorship seems justified.
However, America isn't a true democracy. Violence or the illumination that a party would resort to violence if necessary is needed for any political, social and econonmic change in America. [/b]
Exactly. As the point is made in the book, there is no "Democracy" as such and so revolutionary violence against the capitalist dictatorship is completely justified.


I think it is importabnt for people to join existing organisations and work within them to create other projects. They are established, have older members with more experience and have the resources and ideas to help you out.
So this organization doesn't exist? What possition are you in to make comments on our experience, resources or ideas?


Although I aplaud anyones desire to create change or projects it needs to be done within a certain perspective.

I suppose you'd want that 'certain perspective' to be an anarchist one..

{GR}Raine
5th March 2005, 02:16
Well, I contacted RY about koining, no response for about 6 days now.

The Feral Underclass
5th March 2005, 16:14
There are hardworking and established organisations that exist already for you to join and become apart of.

These internet projects are a waste of time. Look in the political organsiation thread (link in my signiture) and contact a real organisation that you agree with.

Creating a communist society will not happen because people start a new internet group with vague principles every 5 minutes. It becomes depressing.