What about these fools

[Livetrueordie]

Read some of the forums, its disgusting.
http://www.***************

[Livetrueordie]

Read this crap about Homosexuals
http://www.***************/forum/showthread.php?t=186744

[Colombia]

Wouldn't expect anything good from them anyway.

[bed_of_nails]

http://www.***************/forum/showthread.php?t=186892

One big mistake there... Most of the Romans were latino. Think of Caesar as an old Antonio Banderas. I study Latin and plan on making a career out of Archaeology. I really wish these Klan wannabees would get their facts straight...

[comrade_mufasa]

Stormfront should know Rvolutionaryleft very well becouse some people here go there to mess with them. They are the most ignorent group of nascar fans on the planet. There is this kid at my school who is a member of that board. He is so racist its not even funny. He only wears Dixie outfitters clothes. I chill with this white girl, she is sexy as hell and the funnest person I know, that turned out to be his girl and when he saw us talking at lunch (he thinks he is some kind of bad ass becouse he skips class :rolleyes: ) he broke up with her. He is a very sad human being, if he is human. This girl didnt deserve him at all. He was lucky her brother and me didnt kick his ass :angry:

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 07:59 PM
Read some of the forums, its disgusting.
http://www.***************
They're truly closed-minded morons who are dogmatic in their beliefs and have no ability to accept let alone understand opposing arguments.

Sadly, there is is waaaayyyyy too much of that crap going on these days.

:angry:

[Xvall]

I think everyone can agree that stormfronters don't count as real people, and that their views are entirely irrelevant.

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by Drake [email protected] 23 2005, 09:11 PM
I think everyone can agree that stormfronters don't count as real people, and that their views are entirely irrelevant.
Didn't Hitler talk about people not being worthy of human status too?

Oh but it's different when you do it. You're open-minded and tolerant, or whatever the buzzwords are.


They're people, they're just morons.

[seraphim]

I agree everyone is entitled to their opinion no matter how personally disgusted I am with those oppinions freedom of speech must be protected with no exceptions

[Zingu]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 02:02 PM
I agree everyone is entitled to their opinion no matter how personally disgusted I am with those oppinions freedom of speech must be protected with no exceptions
Until the revolution starts....then we shoot bastards like this. ;)

[bushdog]

Originally posted by Zingu+Feb 24 2005, 02:25 PM--> (Zingu @ Feb 24 2005, 02:25 PM)
[email protected] 24 2005, 02:02 PM
I agree everyone is entitled to their opinion no matter how personally disgusted I am with those oppinions freedom of speech must be protected with no exceptions
Until the revolution starts....then we shoot bastards like this. ;) [/b]
How is that different than them lynching some black guy because he stands up for what he believes in?

[Intifada]

Nazis and Fascists should be given the choice of forced labour, or the bullet.

[bushdog]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 03:16 PM
Nazis and Fascists should be given the choice of forced labour, or the bullet.
Ahh, slavery or death you really show some similarities with the kkk ever think of joining?

[Intifada]

Ahh, slavery or death you really show some similarities with the kkk ever think of joining?

HAHA! :lol:

:rolleyes:

No, I am not a fan of racist fucktards.

Tell me, come the revolution, why should we allow the right-wing to spew their crap in public?

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 03:35 PM

Ahh, slavery or death you really show some similarities with the kkk ever think of joining?

HAHA! :lol:

:rolleyes:

No, I am not a fan of racist fucktards.

Tell me, come the revolution, why should we allow the right-wing to spew their crap in public?
You mean like the left wing is currently allowed to spew its crap in public?

For what other crimes besides thought and speech do you plan to shoot or enslave people?

[bushdog]

Has banning or suppressing any idea achieved the disired resulT? No it has not it only adds a element of mystery and awe to it and allows for the idea to grow. How about this, has killing the leaders of Hamas, the PLO, or Hezbollah done any good for Isreal?

[Intifada]

First of all, I would not say that the Left has the right to complete "free speech."

Anyway, racism cannot be tolerated in a society which advocates unity between all workers.

[dakewlguy]

No, I am not a fan of racist fucktards.

Tell me, come the revolution, why should we allow the right-wing to spew their crap in public?
Nothing like that will happen, because upon the glorious revolution all shall be Educated and will see how Marx really was correct.


They're truly closed-minded morons who are dogmatic in their beliefs and have no ability to accept let alone understand opposing arguments.
Yep. Now what is this strange sense of deja-vu I am getting while checking their forums?

[bushdog]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 03:54 PM

Nothing like that will happen, because upon the glorious revolution all shall be Educated and will see how Marx really was correct.


Gee, i really hope Fox is doing the EDUCATING, i mean they are just so enlightened.

For infatada-

Nice rebuttal, LOL

[dakewlguy]

Good job retard, I'm not even in America so am unable to access fox news.

It looks like you enjoy strawman arguments, you'll fit in great here.

[bushdog]

Strawman?

Your really missing out on the whole propaganda thing.

[dakewlguy]

Haha sure. Let me break it down for you:
I give a sarcastic comment about the glorious revolution.
You present me as a stereotypical fox news watching American.

You've given a strawman argument, presented my position X as position Y, an exaggerated distorted position.

[bushdog]

I guess you dont have a very clear grasp of sarcasm, in my posts or yours. How exactly did i distort you argument?

[Postteen]

why COMMUNISM K I L L S (http://www.***************/forum/showthread.php?t=186272)

aren't you starving to learn?

Those people are totally insane!!I'm really afraid of them!

PLUS:
Egalitarianism, Liberty, Fraternity....These are grinding mankind into dust.

If you are not fascist, you should be.

[dakewlguy]

The sarcasm in your post is that fox news are a good source of education. How exactly would I be unable to grasp sarcasm in my very own post, may I ask?

How was my position distorted?
Nowhere did I state I watch fox news, or give any suggestion that I agree with their views. This was an assertion made by you to attempt to discredit me by presenting me as a right-wing extremist.

[bushdog]

I in no way claimed you watched fox news, if you look at the post you will see that i am making light of fox news and in your attemt to defend youself you call me a strawman(nice one!) and insinuate that i am sheepole.

[PRC-UTE]

Our goal isn't to provide free speech to right wingers but to put our class into power. Right now the capitalists have power, so the way 'free speech' works is that you have the 'free speech' that you can purchase. It won't be so under socialism and communism.

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 05:22 PM
Our goal isn't to provide free speech to right wingers but to put our class into power. Right now the capitalists have power, so the way 'free speech' works is that you have the 'free speech' that you can purchase. It won't be so under socialism and communism.
Not true. I witnessed quite a few anti-war and anti-capitalist types expressing free speech at the inaugural, and on several other occasions here in Washington.

You make the same mistake so many on here make, which is equating the right to free speech with some mythical right to be heard and have your viewpoint accepted.

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 03:51 PM
First of all, I would not say that the Left has the right to complete "free speech."

Anyway, racism cannot be tolerated in a society which advocates unity between all workers.
You have the right to print and distribute a newsletter, stand in the street and yell about how bad capitalism sucks, and the right to assemble peacefuly.

Those are the complete rights to free speech, and you have them just like everyone else.

Tell me, when you "encourage" this unity between everyone, how are you going to do it, exactly?

[Questionauthority]

I'm one of the "No platform" policy. Nazis and White Pride Trash should not be given any platform from which they want to shout from. Simple as that. + Why give a platform to people who want to abolish free speech anyhow?

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 06:34 PM
I'm one of the "No platform" policy. Nazis and White Pride Trash should not be given any platform from which they want to shout from. Simple as that. + Why give a platform to people who want to abolish free speech anyhow?
Does that mean you'd have them arrested on the street for voicing their opinion?

[Questionauthority]

No simply means Ild punch their face in. I wouldnt rely on so called "authority" that exsists today.
"Antifa is a collective of militant anti-fascists committed to opposing the rise of the far-right in Britain and abroad. We believe in the 'no platform' philosophy and the tradition of fighting fascism/racism stretching back to Cable Street, Red Lion Square, Lewisham, and Waterloo.

We are a network of various organisations and individuals who see anti-fascism as part of the class struggle. After decades of underperforming, the far-right now poses a significant threat politically.

This initiative aims to bring together those who wish to act rather than talk. We aim to oppose the far-right's electoral politics and where possible by means of direct action. As well as street activities we aim to promote militant anti-fascism in the football and music areas. This website will serve as an information and activity site, we will post up any intelligence on far-right activities and invite other anti-fascists to join us in counter activities." Taken from Antifa uk website

[dakewlguy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 04:26 PM
I in no way claimed you watched fox news, if you look at the post you will see that i am making light of fox news and in your attemt to defend youself you call me a strawman(nice one!) and insinuate that i am sheepole.
Yes, you did. And I'm not calling you a strawman, I am calling your argument strawman, a specific term for a certain fallacy.

[Intifada]

You have the right to print and distribute a newsletter, stand in the street and yell about how bad capitalism sucks, and the right to assemble peacefuly.

Those are the complete rights to free speech, and you have them just like everyone else.


Look at what happens to people like Sherman Austin and, more recently, Ward Churchill.


Tell me, when you "encourage" this unity between everyone, how are you going to do it, exactly?

The revolution, in my opinion, is an inevitability.

The workers will unite to overthrow the present ruling class.

[dakewlguy]

The workers will unite to overthrow the present ruling class.
How come in the last few decades more and more cultures and subcultures have emerged in the West, as has a middle class?

[Livetrueordie]

Originally posted by Beatle [email protected] 24 2005, 04:15 PM
why COMMUNISM K I L L S (http://www.***************/forum/showthread.php?t=186272)

aren't you starving to learn?

Those people are totally insane!!I'm really afraid of them!

PLUS:
Egalitarianism, Liberty, Fraternity....These are grinding mankind into dust.

If you are not fascist, you should be.
LOl How about "FAscism Kills"...??? what idiots, lets count the jews that were burned to death. 1...2...3...

[Xvall]

Originally posted by t_wolves_fa[email protected] 24 2005, 02:00 PM
Didn't Hitler talk about people not being worthy of human status too?

Oh but it's different when you do it. You're open-minded and tolerant, or whatever the buzzwords are.


They're people, they're just morons.
I never said that I was tolerant. I'm not tolerant of a lot of things. I'm not tolerant of murder, racism, and people who think that people should be executed on the basis of their nationality or religion. I am indeed open-minded, however, open-mindedness should not entail the acceptance of stupidity. Although I'm willing to taste cuisine from all realms of the earth, I draw the line when people expect me to eat fecal matter.

I'm tolerant of right-wingers, in general, in that I don't pray for them to all die slow and painful deaths. When dealing with people who would kill me if they had the opportunity to do so, my views are a little different. I know that two wrongs don't make a right, but if history has served us correctly, "turning the other cheeck" isn't a viable option when dealing with Hitler.

[Ele'ill]

I'm one of the "No platform" policy. Nazis and White Pride Trash should not be given any platform from which they want to shout from. Simple as that. + Why give a platform to people who want to abolish free speech anyhow?


Freedom of speech grants all groups reguardless of ideology the right to voice. "Why give a platform to people who want to abolish free speech anyhow?" :rolleyes:
With out a platform, where are you going to shout from?

[dakewlguy]

I'm one of the "No platform" policy. Nazis and White Pride Trash should not be given any platform from which they want to shout from. Simple as that. + Why give a platform to people who want to abolish free speech anyhow?
So therefore you are ok with police stopping Communist demonstrations? Because you yourself admit that you would like the free speech of Nazis taken away. You justify it as because they want to restrict free speech. However you yourself wish to restrict free speech too.

[PRC-UTE]

Originally posted by t_wolves_fan+Feb 24 2005, 06:17 PM--> (t_wolves_fan @ Feb 24 2005, 06:17 PM)
[email protected] 24 2005, 05:22 PM
Our goal isn't to provide free speech to right wingers but to put our class into power. Right now the capitalists have power, so the way 'free speech' works is that you have the 'free speech' that you can purchase. It won't be so under socialism and communism.
Not true. I witnessed quite a few anti-war and anti-capitalist types expressing free speech at the inaugural, and on several other occasions here in Washington.

You make the same mistake so many on here make, which is equating the right to free speech with some mythical right to be heard and have your viewpoint accepted. [/b]
Yes, I wasn't speaking in bourgeois terms about censorship, I was directly referring to economic censorship.

You have to look beyond just law and into economic relations to understand how society works.

And I've seen plenty of instances of Leftists being suppressed and repressed by capitalist governments.

[Professor Moneybags]

economic censorship.

What is that when it's at home ?


And I've seen plenty of instances of Leftists being suppressed and repressed by capitalist governments.

How and by which governments ?

[Questionauthority]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 12:12 AM

I'm one of the "No platform" policy. Nazis and White Pride Trash should not be given any platform from which they want to shout from. Simple as that. + Why give a platform to people who want to abolish free speech anyhow?
So therefore you are ok with police stopping Communist demonstrations? Because you yourself admit that you would like the free speech of Nazis taken away. You justify it as because they want to restrict free speech. However you yourself wish to restrict free speech too.
Idiot, why dont you try reading my post below that. I don't repeat myself for people who are too lazy to even read.
There is a difference between combatting the Nazis with my own free speech and having a government silence them.....
Who said I want to restrict freedom of speech? You probably such an idiot you don't understand how "communist state" is an oxymoron.
<_<

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by Questionauthority+Feb 25 2005, 04:32 PM--> (Questionauthority @ Feb 25 2005, 04:32 PM)
[email protected] 25 2005, 12:12 AM

I&#39;m one of the "No platform" policy. Nazis and White Pride Trash should not be given any platform from which they want to shout from. Simple as that. + Why give a platform to people who want to abolish free speech anyhow?
So therefore you are ok with police stopping Communist demonstrations? Because you yourself admit that you would like the free speech of Nazis taken away. You justify it as because they want to restrict free speech. However you yourself wish to restrict free speech too.
Idiot, why dont you try reading my post below that. I don&#39;t repeat myself for people who are too lazy to even read.
There is a difference between combatting the Nazis with my own free speech and having a government silence them.....
Who said I want to restrict freedom of speech? You probably such an idiot you don&#39;t understand how "communist state" is an oxymoron.
<_< [/b]
So your solution would be to simply attack them?

Anarchy and riots in the streets?

Yes, the establishment would certainly hate that.

You&#39;re a pathetic little boy who seeks attention, nothing more.

http://www.ropma.com/images/attention_whore.jpg

[Questionauthority]

t_wolves_fan-
Pull your finger from out of your ass and think for a second. I have made but three posts in this topic, less than you have.
You call me an attetion seeker yet you are the one who is here creating pointless arguments for us to counter. You don&#39;t even agree with what we believe in yet here you are.... whos attention seeking here? You wife not pay enough attention to you?
Pathetic- well I dunno, I seem to have quite a few friends who dont think that...but hey you want to judge go ahead. I dont really give a toss what you think since you don;t matter to me. (bar countering you attention seeking posts :D )

"Anarchy and riots in the streets?" Sounds like a barrel of laughs as there are so many Nazis walking down the street. They are still thankfully the minority in most places. And if riots are what it takes then I have no problem with it.

Oh and a nice gold star for your witty picture :)

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 06:04 PM
t_wolves_fan-
Pull your finger from out of your ass and think for a second. I have made but three posts in this topic, less than you have.
You call me an attetion seeker yet you are the one who is here creating pointless arguments for us to counter. You don&#39;t even agree with what we believe in yet here you are.... whos attention seeking here? You wife not pay enough attention to you?
Pathetic- well I dunno, I seem to have quite a few friends who dont think that...but hey you want to judge go ahead. I dont really give a toss what you think since you don;t matter to me. (bar countering you attention seeking posts :D )

"Anarchy and riots in the streets?" Sounds like a barrel of laughs as there are so many Nazis walking down the street. They are still thankfully the minority in most places. And if riots are what it takes then I have no problem with it.

Oh and a nice gold star for your witty picture :)
I&#39;m here for entertainment. I could give two shits if you pay attention to me or not.

It&#39;s like watching a sitcom. Many of the arguments made on this site are so naive, unrealistic, contradictory, and just plain stupid that even The Simpsons can&#39;t compete. And I think The Simpsons is the funniest damn show on earth.

Your argument was that you think Nazis and racists should be dealt with by punching them in the face. In turn, that means conservatives and racists and pro-capitalists should have the right to punch you in the face as well. I mean, if you get to punch people you disagree with then it&#39;s only fair they get to do the same to you.

Which, taken to its logical conclusion, means you support thuggery and a "might makes right" attitude. Because, I mean, it is impossible to make policy if enough people punch you in the face too much. You&#39;d have to punch all them in the face much harder to keep them from punching you in the face while you set policy.

Basically, I&#39;ve seen your type here in Washington, many a time. Young, dumb, and full of cum. Just looking at them you can tell they&#39;re screaming out for attention and direction. They figure breaking windows and punching people in the face is a good way to do it.

Glad you liked the graphic. Wait, wait, I got another one:



http://www.fatwillie.net/cpg/albums/userpics/10006/attention_whore3.jpg


I like that one a bit better. ;)

[Questionauthority]

Aye tis much better graphic&#33; (But I still don&#39;t consider myself an attention whore....hah&#33;)
I&#39;m not american so if you get that kind "anarchist" in washington then meh I can&#39;t speak for them.
As for you saying part of my argument is "might makes right" fair enough I suppose it is, but I can&#39;t stand Nazis and don&#39;t believe that we should sit down and talk....don&#39;t think my uncle should have fought (and died in that fight) in vain against such scum so they can now preach their crap.
Have you ever heard of Cable Street (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street) is a good intro. Direct opposition to Moselys fascists and it stopped them. That is more of what I meant.

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 06:59 PM
Aye tis much better graphic&#33;
T&A is the universal language&#33;

:lol:

[Ele'ill]

You call me an attetion seeker yet you are the one who is here creating pointless arguments for us to counter. You don&#39;t even agree with what we believe in yet here you are.... whos attention seeking here? You wife not pay enough attention to you?
Pathetic- well I dunno, I seem to have quite a few friends who dont think that...but hey you want to judge go ahead. I dont really give a toss what you think since you don;t matter to me. (bar countering you attention seeking posts )

I wouldn&#39;t call them &#39;pointless arguments&#39;. They are very valid ones that numerous people including myself are making. A lot of people on this forum have stated that the general arguments against ideas manifested by the left are null. Simply saying &#39;your questions and arguments are pointless and we dont&#39; want to see them&#39; does not answer them nor make them go away. Remember, as a revolutionary you need the support of the masses. How are you going to gain popularity and general support if you reject anyone that questions your beliefs?