Nepal - What will happen?

[Karl Marx's Camel]

What will happen in Nepal?

Any thoughts?


I see a few options.

a) The Royal army will win
b) The Maoists win
c) The maoists disband
d) India intervenes (specify consequenses)
e) The international community intervenes (specify consequenses)

[TheKwas]

Personally I hope the democratic movement in Kathmandu takes hold and the Monarch's powers are completely removed. And with that the Maoists lose their base support, give up their violent ways and enter the government as just another party.


I have little love for the Maoists.

[h&s]

I share your lack of support for the Maoists and the Monarchy, but why support the 'democratic' movement? What will the people of Nepal gain from that? Free-market capitalism? Yay! :rolleyes:
The people of Nepal need a real working class/peasant movement that is run from below not above. It needs to be one that is not based around the stupid idea of guerilla warfare, that just puts the power into the hands of a ruling elite.

[Se7en]

http://freenepal.blogspot.com/

[Karl Marx's Camel]

It needs to be one that is not based around the stupid idea of guerilla warfare

Why do you say guerilla warfare is a "stupid idea"?

[Dwarf Kirlston]

Freedom, Peace, Prosperity.

I am against the Maoists because they are not peaceful. I am against a "terrorist" revolution. Quite a lot of people in Nepal are maoist.

Guerrilla warfare has its place and time.

[American_Trotskyist]

Guerialla Warfare isn't Marxist at all. It makes the petty bourgeoisie the leaders of the revolution, not the working class. Granted, if it is agriculural workers, agrarian workers, there is some justification. Look at the Holy Family by Marx, attacks Prahoundism (the idea that socialism can be created with the petty bourgeoisie/peasants) The peasants will only follow you as far as they get land, if they take power and it wasn't taken by the workers(as in China or when Stalin took more support for the pesant before he colletivied) It leads to a reaction, the very nature of the petty bourgeoisie. I will speak more on this later. But for all or the Che worshipers, most of whom hate socialism and are just young liberals, they usually don't look at things in a Marxist way and just like the picture hanging in their dorm room.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Guerialla Warfare isn't Marxist at all.

How so?

If not guerilla warfare, what is your proposal?



It makes the petty bourgeoisie the leaders of the revolution, not the working class.

Was Guevara petty-bourgeoisie?



if it is agriculural workers, agrarian workers, there is some justification.

Some?

Why not full support?

[RedFlagOverTrenton]

The CPN(M) hardly qualifies as a 'terrorist' organization. Their soldiers do not attack civilians for the simple act of refusing to support them, if that's what you mean, and they do not engage in indescriminate violence - they target, very specifically, the police and armed forces and open collaborators with the reactionary government whose actions lead to the deaths of revolutionaries and civilians.

And it's not just the peasants involved in the revolutionary struggle. Peasants form the backbone of the fighting force, but the mass organizations of the Maoists include many thousands of urban youth, students, and workers. I ask you - in a country like Nepal, where the vast majority of people are in fact peasants living in a state of semi-feudal oppression, are the peasants just supposed to be ignored? If the peasant population has the potential to be unleashed as a mighty force for revolution under the leadership of the proletariat, should their very real needs and concerns simply be ignored? If you were trying to lead a revolution in an oppressed, semi-feudal country where most people work the land and live in the countryside, how exactly would you do it?

Fact is, the Maoists are creating tremendous social change and paving the way for the establishment of the first truly socialist state since the revisionist coup in China. Peasants are being freed from conditions of quasi-slavery by petty tyrants, landlords, and corrupt moneylenders, reactionary institutions like patriarchy and arranged marriage are being abolished, and new local centers of REAL democratic people's power are being built up in areas under Maoist control. And given how closely the CPN(M) cooperates with other revolutionary Maoist organizations in the region, the revolution in Nepal could very well be the catalyst for revolutions all across South Asia.

As for those people who disagree with the Maoists use of violence, the road of parliamentary democracy has been tried. And it has failed, miserably. Capitalism is an inherently violent and terroristic system, and if we're to be honest with ourselves no armed organization.. including reactionaries like Al-Qaeda and the revolutionary Maoists even COME CLOSE to approaching the level of violence and deprivation inflicted on the world's people every single day by the world's imperialist overlords in the US and Europe. If anyone has a plan to deal with people and states like this WITHOUT destroying and dismantling their repressive apparatuses in the police and army and without using arms to take and defend people's power from them, I'd certainly like to hear it. The people of Nepal don't have the luxury of engaging in bourgeois moralizing; and if you think about it, neither do we, not with the kind of life and death struggles that are involved in something as tremendous as creating a whole new society.

[pandora]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 10:42 PM
Personally I hope the democratic movement in Kathmandu takes hold and the Monarch's powers are completely removed. And with that the Maoists lose their base support, give up their violent ways and enter the government as just another party.


I have little love for the Maoists.
Cheers but not democratic like the US would like but similar to the Zapatista land based movement where the peasants have control again over the land.

As far as the Maoists, they are violent from my understanding, but not nearly as repressive as the Royal regime who are oppressing human rights workers now.

My concern with the Maoists is of course they are backed by the Chinese and want to create another situation like Tibet, which DID NOT HELP THE TIBETAN PEOPLE.

They are being repressed and cast out of their own land while their lands are being given to Chinese. I fear the same in Nepal.

Don't give a crap if it's Chinese or US imperialism still the same colonialist bullshit.

Unfortunate that Royal Family in Nepal has signed away all civil liberties which guarentees they're gone either way. But a more democratic form of government would be nice with strong Marxist overtones.

I like what Jamaica Kincaid said visiting Nepal as a Caribbean woman, "They told me not to worry as the Maoists were only killing their own people and would not go after tourists, but my own experience with such forces taught me that once people start killing they don't really make too many differences about who they kill." She also states that she was proud to tell the Maoists she was from Canada :lol: except they saw her passport.

I feel similarly about both ideas. I am not one for the violence. I think too many innocent lives get lost. And this new group doesn't seem that good at disseminating good from bad. Whenever things get to reactionary like that it's not nice to be the one they are aiming the gun at and asking questions, either way.

I hope the Nepelese people win and are able to continue farming and feed their populations :D without getting sucked into either the Chinese or US market through India.

The Maoists have gotten some positive projects done, but just a few. They seem more interested in military action than building farms right now.

[Hiero]

My concern with the Maoists is of course they are backed by the Chinese

No the Chinese do not support the Maoist revolution.


And this new group

If you are refering to the Maoist they have been waging the revolution for 8 years.

[TheKwas]

Originally posted by h&[email protected] 20 2005, 07:59 PM
I share your lack of support for the Maoists and the Monarchy, but why support the 'democratic' movement? What will the people of Nepal gain from that? Free-market capitalism? Yay! :rolleyes:

And what will the Nepalese gain from full Maoist control? Another China? Yay! :rooleyes:


The people of Nepal need a real working class/peasant movement that is run from below not above. It needs to be one that is not based around the stupid idea of guerilla warfare, that just puts the power into the hands of a ruling elite.

I'll agree to that. But realisticly I think the democratic movement is our best bet for the moment. The more moderate Maoists will be able to push for more social change (as they are already doing) and the extreme vanguardist Maoists will become the minority and will have their agenda over-thrown. Of the three main choices, I would support the democratic movement over the Maoists and the Monarchists.