Nietzsche ?

[Lamanov]

Who was he ? What was his philosophical standpoint ? Did he criticize Marx ? How ? What about his works ? His life ? anything would do... shoot

[FeArANDLoAtHiNg]

He despised anti-semitism, even though the Nazis later used his work to their benefit.

Also was anti-christian, mainly because it had an emphasis on pity and lead to the elevation of the lower classes.

Not sure what he thought about Marx, but I assume he was opposed to him.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Jesus man, do a google search or just read his books. How do you think people find out about him themselves?

I dont think I've seen one reference to Marx in his works, he says socialists are just like Christians really to put it simply.

As a radical aristocrat he didnt care much for the working classes.

His benefit is in his apolitical vision, dont look to Nietzsche for any kind of justification for any system, he hated them all.

Also if anybody posts that idiotic story of Marx and Nietzsche meeting in a bar, you are one out of touch fucker when it comes to philosophy.

[Monty Cantsin]

I’ve read that story…isn’t Sigmund Freud there….which wouldn’t work in reality because he would have been like 10 years old when it “happened”.

Nietzsche is not apolitical; he wants people to engage in Grand politics. Looking for the uniting of Europe dispensing with the petty politics of nation states.

Also he was anti-liberalism because he felt education of the masses would lead to anti-culture (culture is that of the superman elite’s doing) and communism as a new barbarism.

[WritingToHaveNoFace]

The socialism that Nietzsche knew of was the anti-semitic socialism of Dhuring. Nietzsche probably never read the works of Marx, and he probably did not understand any conception of "scientific socialism". He would have probably agreed with Marx on commodity fetishism and the nature of bourgeois conciousness and its ability to write history. He would have disagreed with Marx's democracy because it is arguable that his justification for socialist revolution was born out of liberal-Christian values.

[Taiga]

First of all you should be very careful while reading his books, especially the last ones. The guy was ill almost his all life. He wrote that his best thoughts came to him in the moments of the biggest pain. Can you think about something important when your head is exploding? Not to mention his mental health........

And his elitarism is just disgusting.

But he was a damn good poet. His books are perfectly poetic, IMHO.

[nochastitybelt]

I came across this Nietzsche quote while reading Rudolph Rocker's, Anarchosyndicalism and probably from Nietzsche's 'Human, All too Human."

"No one can finally spend more than he has. That holds good for individuals; it holds good for peoples. If one spends oneself for power, for high politics, for husbandry, for commerce, parliamentarism, military interests--if one gives away that amount of reason, earnestness, will, self-mastery, which constitutes one's real self for one thing, he will not have it for the other. Culture and the state--let no one be deceived about this--are antagonists: the 'Culture State' is merely a modern idea. The one lives on the other, the one prospers at the expense of the other. All great periods of culture are periods of political decline. Whatever is great in a cultured sense is non political, is even anti-political."

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 09:16 AM
First of all you should be very careful while reading his books, especially the last ones. The guy was ill almost his all life. He wrote that his best thoughts came to him in the moments of the biggest pain. Can you think about something important when your head is exploding? Not to mention his mental health........

And his elitarism is just disgusting.

But he was a damn good poet. His books are perfectly poetic, IMHO.

Mental health, what in the last 10 years of his life, what about when he was sane for most of it.

[Aurorus Ruber]

I have mixed feelings on him. On one hand, he was a genius, but on the other, he was appaulingly élitist.

[monkeydust]

Mental health, what in the last 10 years of his life, what about when he was sane for most of it.


Well yes, he was basically sane up until his megalomania and insanity came on in his later life - about the same time he was writing stuff like "Why I write such great books"

However, from what I've read - and I could be wrong - he apparently suffered from ill-health, certainly ill mental health most of his life. That's not to say that he was insane all the time, no. But he certainly suffered frequently from migrained headaches, and generally seemed to be a kind of frustrated guy who would suffer from depression as well.

He certainly wasn't "fit and healthy"....but it's a moot point when you're a philosopher anyway really.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Ecce Homo was written on the eve of his breakdown hence the bouts of megalomania.

So it had no effect on any of his work before that.

[Iepilei]

Nietzsche is always an interesting read, for me. I like his perspectives on religion; I've always viewed his idea of Ubermensch as the "Anti-Christ".

Except he claims victory.

:ph34r:

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Claims victory for what?