SUPPORT FOR POTENTIAL VENEZUELAN CONFLICT

[In Search of True Thinkers]

The way things are going it seems a very possible reality that the US will, in some way, try to thwart Chavez's Bolivarian movement. Discuccion of support for a potential Venezuelan guerilla insurgency must take place now so the leftist culture will not be caught off gaurd. In my view Venezuela can not fend off Washigton in a traditional war, which leaves only guerilla warfare as a viable option. In addition several steps would greatly aid the struggle in my view:

*A strong supply line of medical supplys that could be aided by an international support group

*A well planned media campaign that could show the true struggle of the Bolivarian movement to other Latin American countries.

*Open support for the struggle shown in America as well as in other western nations to turn public favor to the Bolivarian cause

I am not by any means knowledgable in these fields but perhaps through discussion an organized means of support can begin to form.

Please post your ideas and ways in which to make them reality!

[Phalanx]

That does sound like a good idea, but i don't really believe that the U$ would attack Venezuela. Yes, they have oil, but so does Iran, and i believe that they will continue to put pressure on North Korea and Iran before they are serious about Venezuela.

[Wurkwurk]

QUOTE: *A well planned media campaign that could show the true struggle of the Bolivarian movement to other Latin American countries.

If that gets out, and the peoples of Latin America can see what is able to be accomplished, and what has ALREADY be accomplished in Venezuela, some pretty amazing things may happen.

Im only 16, and ill capable of making any large projects reality. Right now, I'm more focused for studying Algebra :))

Seriously guys, this IS a really great idea.

[In Search of True Thinkers]

[QUOTE]but i don't really believe that the U$ would attack Venezuela

You may be correct in that the US will not attack Venezuela directly, but as history has shown my government can easily find ways to topple democratically elected leaders without the use of US military force, esp. in Latin America. All you have to do is look at Nicaragua of 1980's (Sandista oppression), Guatemala of 1940's (Arbenz overthrow), and Chile of 1970's (Allende assasination) to see how effective the CIA can be in dealing with 'unwanted' leaders.

We must not let Chavez and Venezuela fall alongside the heap of oppressed nations!

[Lauren]

Originally posted by In Search of True [email protected] 15 2005, 03:38 AM
[QUOTE]

We must not let Chavez and Venezuela fall alongside the heap of oppressed nations!
Yeah I totally agree.

[chebol]

The US is too overstretched in Iraq to launch a full-scale military offensive on Venezuela or Cuba for that matter either.
This is part of the drive behind the attempts to reinstate the draft.
Nevertheless, if the people are well enough organised, the only way they can be defeated is by anihilation- never a nice prospect.

In terms of media coverage, there are many great resources on the web, including venezuelanalysis.com, greenleft.org.au, VHeadline.com, venezuelasolidarity.org, the 'Hands off Venezuela' site (sorry- can't remember url), and a few others.

Also, check out:

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php?newsno=1477
Venezuela Launches Latin American News Channel
Tuesday, Jan 25, 2005
By: Sarah Wagner – Venezuelanalysis.com

Caracas, January 25, 2005—Yesterday, the Venezuelan Council of Ministers approved a decree creating Telesur, a satellite news channel intended to compliment the northern perspective offered by the dominating channel in Latin America, CNN in Spanish, with a more southern perspective on the region.

In a press conference held after shortly after the decree was approved, the Minister of Communication and Information, Andrés Izarra, explained that this new state-run communications company, Telesur, would be a crucial communication tool for the region and, "a force of integration, in which we hope that all the countries in the South participate."

[bolshevik butcher]

As i said on another thread, guerilla war is the best strategy to fight of the U$.

[YKTMX]

Well, firstly, the effectiveness of "guerilla war" is diminished because the U.S. doesn't use as many ground troops as it once did, because of Vietnam.

Secondly, I can't see this happening anyway. The U.S. is already too overstretched in Iraq and Afghanistahn to worry about Chavez. If they do conceieve another attack, it's more likely to be against Syria or Iran than Venezuela.

[RedStarOverChina]

There is no telling what that nutjob named Bush might do. However i do hope for peace and independence for the Venezuelaan people, obviously. If a war actually starts, I doubt Chavez and his men will be able to defend his nation against the US, with no possible foreign aid. What are they going to do??

[Phalanx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2005, 02:36 PM
Well, firstly, the effectiveness of "guerilla war" is diminished because the U.S. doesn't use as many ground troops as it once did, because of Vietnam.
That's why Chavez should buy anti-aircraft missiles. If you take out the U$ helicopters, you take out their 'cavalry'.

[Scottish_Militant]

tens of thousands of activists around the world are supporting the Hands Off Venezuela Campaign (http://www.handsoffvenezuela.org/) which seeks to defend Venezuela politically and financialy in the current struggle against US imperialism and the struggle for socialism.

[bunk]

Of course but it seems Chavez is going to buy some Russian aircraft so they have some power in the air.

[Paradox]

Chavez is going to buy some Russian aircraft so they have some power in the air.

Those aircraft are a bit outdated though, no? If they went up against amerikan fighters do you think they would last? Going up against amerikan weaponry I'd think they don't stand a chance, which is why it would have to be a guerrilla war.


If a war actually starts, I doubt Chavez and his men will be able to defend his nation against the US, with no possible foreign aid. What are they going to do??

Castro said an attack on either Venezuela or Cuba would be an attack on both. I know there's a lot of Cuban doctors in Venezuela, but if Venezuela was attacked what kind of aid would Cuba supply? Their weaponry is also inferior, no? And what about China? Venezuela has agreements with them, do you think China would help in any way?

[bunk]

I don't know. Personally i would have spent the money on ground forces and AA but Russian planes often match up to their American counterparts. I don't know how old the ones they are buying are.

[RedStarOverChina]

The Cubans may prove effective on their own soils, but what good are they in Venezuela? As for China, our weapons cannot match those of the Americans. And I doubt that for now, China will risk upsetting US to intervene and aid the Venezuela comrades. All China care about right now is to maintain her own stability.

[Colombia]

Why has no one mentioned the idea that the US will have Colombia and Panama declare war on Venezuela?

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2005, 02:36 PM
Well, firstly, the effectiveness of "guerilla war" is diminished because the U.S. doesn't use as many ground troops as it once did, because of Vietnam.

Secondly, I can't see this happening anyway. The U.S. is already too overstretched in Iraq and Afghanistahn to worry about Chavez. If they do conceieve another attack, it's more likely to be against Syria or Iran than Venezuela.
No it's not, you cannot occupy a country in the air.

[Paradox]

Why has no one mentioned the idea that the US will have Colombia and Panama declare war on Venezuela?

I suppose, seeing that there is tension between Colombia and Venezuela, and Colombia is a u$ ally. Looking at all the aid that Colombia receives from the u$ it's possible they'd do the dirty work. The Colombians could say that Venezuela is supplying the leftist guerrillas with weapons, etc., and that would be their "justification." I'm a bit in the dark on Panama though. What's the situation there?

[I've Defected]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2005, 12:12 PM
The US is too overstretched in Iraq to launch a full-scale military offensive on Venezuela or Cuba for that matter either.
This is part of the drive behind the attempts to reinstate the draft.
Nevertheless, if the people are well enough organised, the only way they can be defeated is by anihilation- never a nice prospect.

Maybe they will mount an half-assed invasion resulting in another bay of pigs

[Ele'ill]

The US will not invade. This is what they have 'school of the americas' for. They will train assassins and such to combat any type of US opposed uprising or legitimate government in South America.