Aids man made genocide?

[cccpcommie]

I have recently started finding information about aids due to a song i listened to, he stated that aids was a made in a labatory...do you believe this is entirely true?
I've heard that it was the russians,germans,americans, all super powers looking to destroy enemies...well i also heard it was ky jelly..to kill gays...but nevertheless, what do you fell about this montrocity?

[Don't Change Your Name]

This was discussed before. I'd say it "could" have been "created" in a lab but there's no real reason (or evidence) to think of this hypotesis as more than an unlikely "conspiracy theory".

But who knows?

[Severian]

Please, consider getting your science information - and political information, even - somewhere other than songs. Really. Art is great, but it ain't facts.

The origin of AIDS is not a mystery. There are at least two strains of HIV which apparently transferred to humans from other primates sometime in the 1950s or even earlier. Note: separate origins for the two strains. Apparently people catch simian viruses while butchering and eating chimps and monkeys.

Other recently emerging, deadly diseases are also species-jumpers: Ebola, rodent hantavirus, bird flu, maybe SARS.

Least technical explanation of this (http://www.avert.org/origins.htm)

Medium technical (http://www.aidsmap.com/en/docs/667758BA-6EAE-4D7D-B230-8BD9467BF96E.asp)

most technical (http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/rsl/rtb/2001/00000356/00001410/art00021)

That's the best I could find on the web right now, but there's better stuff in books if you really want to look into it. One of my biology textbooks (evolutionary biology) had a family tree of the different strains of SIV (Simian Immunodeficiency Virus) and HIV, as an example of recent evolution...

A third, recently identified strain of HIV may indicate that even more strains can make the jump to humans. (http://www.aegis.com/pubs/hivplus/1999/jan/link.html)

[October Revolution]

It comes from monkeys doesn't it but i don't know if that's true.
Are you actually claiming it's genocide because that's going abit far even if it were man made, it can infect anyone and so only someone who wished to wipe out the entire world even themselves would release it. The idea it's genocide is stupid, what song did you get that trash from?

[captain donald]

Some theories say AIDS was made by fascist right wingers to kill off the people of color and homo-sexuals. This may be true, as it has succeded in hurting those two the most, and the government ignored the disease completely until a celebrity was diagnosed. But the monkey thing also works.

[October Revolution]

I can't see that happening really it would affect many more people than their intneded targets. Including thier own people such as the master race if they were neo nazis. Ofcourse if they were fanatical enough they may do anything we will probally never know.
The whole monkey idea seems much more plausable, it was probally just a freak accident that has caused the epidemic.

[ComradeChris]

Actually in my one history class, that takes place around the time of the Black Death (~1400-1600) we were discussing a sort of biological warfare. A country would specifically contract certain deseases so they could go into battle with other countries (or just travel to other countries) and they would contract the desease. The basic idea is, "well if I can inflict more death on my enemy than on my own people, it's for the best." I don't know whether I believe Aids is man-made...but I wouldn't put anything past anyone.

[October Revolution]

Right ok maybe thats true but the plauge is a much quicker disease than aids. Aids may not affect some one for years after contracting it and so it would be a pretty slow process. It cannot be proven that it will affect more of "them" than "us" and so would be an awful way of killing the emeny much better to shoot them. I just don't see it a plausable.

[ComradeChris]

Originally posted by October [email protected] 14 2005, 07:38 PM
Right ok maybe thats true but the plauge is a much quicker disease than aids. Aids may not affect some one for years after contracting it and so it would be a pretty slow process. It cannot be proven that it will affect more of "them" than "us" and so would be an awful way of killing the emeny much better to shoot them. I just don't see it a plausable.
Look where Aids is most rampant? Places like Africa, where sexual education isn't the same as low risk Aids areas, and in small villages where condoms aren't readily accessable. If it was invented by the US or something like that, I'm sure they know who it'll hurt more. Sexual promiscuity with pretty much unlimited access to condoms...or sexual promiscuity with extremely limited condom access. It's only until Aids is completely rampant in Africa, for instance, that the Western nations start implimenting sex ed. plans and distributing comdoms.

And shooting people needs money and resources. So in a capitalist society that would play a large factor in determining the way to eliminate an enemy or potential threat.

[October Revolution]

Yes but developing the aids virus would take much more money than a stray bullet everyonce and a while.

[ComradeChris]

Originally posted by October [email protected] 17 2005, 12:42 PM
Yes but developing the aids virus would take much more money than a stray bullet everyonce and a while.
Like I said though, the ideal back in the times I'm talking about was to only kill more people than died in your own country. And friendly fire is rampant in war too. Killing people is never a clean business.

[October Revolution]

Yeh i understand all that and i suppose it's a theory that could have place in reality. And if some group wished to eliminate another group it could be a rather tactile way of doing it. Yet i think it's much more likely that it has come from primates than as a weapon of mass destruction.

[ComradeChris]

Originally posted by October [email protected] 17 2005, 03:25 PM
Yeh i understand all that and i suppose it's a theory that could have place in reality. And if some group wished to eliminate another group it could be a rather tactile way of doing it. Yet i think it's much more likely that it has come from primates than as a weapon of mass destruction.
I completely agree. I'm just saying I'm not going to put anything past anyone...especially places like the US.

[October Revolution]

Ahh well that's good then i suppose we can't afford to be naive about things like this. :ph34r:

[che's long lost daughter]

KY Jelly???? That's ridiculous...if that were true, anyone who's been catheterized, fed on tubes or has undergone enemas would have acquired it because KY jelly is used in these procedures. The most acceptable theory on AIDS is the one about primates.

[Vallegrande]

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[DarkAngel]

I think that makes more sense. It was about time that the US government tried to kill of all its minorities. And that also sounds more reasonable then somebody getting butt fucked by a gorrila...

but maybe thats just me <_<

[monkeydust]

No, I really doubt it&#39;s a man-made virus.

Even if there was some advantage to be had in creating it, such a project would surely involve a fairly substantial number of people. Even if there was only a 0.001% chance of the truth "getting out", the consequences of such happening would be enough to deter anyone from taking the action in the first place.

[Ramshaw is all]

There is some backing to the argument that the US created the virus to reduce the growing population in Africa. As early as the 1940&#39;s the growing population in Africa was among the top concerns of the american government. Then in the late 50&#39;s/early 60&#39;s it was gradually forgotten about even though the population of Africa was still spirilling out of control. A possibility is that the US introduced this virus not knowing how far and how fast it would spread, but one things for sure, it is drastically reducing the population in Africa.

[Ceridwen]

I&#39;m going to reply with a Wangari Maathai quote, which I agree with entirely:
"Some say that AIDS came from the monkeys, and I doubt that because we have been living with monkeys from time immemorial, others say it was a curse from God, but I say it cannot be that."

And who knows what secret projects are made in that area 51 (it really must be secret, &#39;cause you&#39;re shot if you come as near as 5 kilometres.) I&#39;m quite inclined to believe that indeed, AIDS is man-made.

[Edward Norton]

if i wanted to develope a biological weapon, AIDS would be the last thing to come to mind.

its simply takes to long to kill its victim for it to be an effective and fast weapon with which to kill people

[Vallegrande]

Even though it is slow, it gradually affects the lifespan of all the people living there over time. Age 30 is now the life expectancy in certain parts of Africa where AIDS exists. It is slow, but it also affects generations, which in the long run have a dramatic impact on how many people are going to live in that area.