Gulags

[Guest_xxx]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/11/gulag.report/index.html

[redstar2000]

I certainly hope so!

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[Spartacus2002]

to bad they didnt get them all...

[The Feral Underclass]

Who cares?

[FriedFrog]

An interesting book, if you are interested in life in the Gulags is Archangel by Gerald Seymour.
It is quite the Anti-Soviet book, but it portrays a vivid picture of what life may have been like for a westerner in a Gulag.
It's a work of fiction, but I found it interesting, anyway.

[Roses in the Hospital]

I certainly hope so!


to bad they didnt get them all...

That's a little bit harsh isn't it? Most of those people would be normal soldiers, not ideologists, politicians, or even activly capatalist (in which case I could understand your point.) They're all some mother's sons and (in the bigger picture) innocent cizillians. Would you have been so suportive if these people had died in Nazi concentration camps?

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by Roses in the [email protected] 17 2005, 11:58 AM

I certainly hope so!


to bad they didnt get them all...

That's a little bit harsh isn't it? Most of those people would be normal soldiers, not ideologists, politicians, or even activly capatalist (in which case I could understand your point.) They're all some mother's sons and (in the bigger picture) innocent cizillians. Would you have been so suportive if these people had died in Nazi concentration camps?
Think about it.

What would an American soldier be doing in the USSR?

Innocent tourist?

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[marxist_chica1288]

You can't possibly blame all Communists for this bullshit.

[October Revolution]

Hmmm if US service members were snooping around in the USSR they probaly diserved what they got, what's it called...oh yeh spying.

Things like this have probally happened to USSR soldiers in america or other imperialist countries and yet that's not reported. Shit like this happens everywhere it's just another propaganda stunt by the US trying to make us commies look bad.

[schumi]

Originally posted by redstar2000+Feb 17 2005, 06:03 PM--> (redstar2000 @ Feb 17 2005, 06:03 PM)
Roses in the [email protected] 17 2005, 11:58 AM

I certainly hope so!


to bad they didnt get them all...

That's a little bit harsh isn't it? Most of those people would be normal soldiers, not ideologists, politicians, or even activly capatalist (in which case I could understand your point.) They're all some mother's sons and (in the bigger picture) innocent cizillians. Would you have been so suportive if these people had died in Nazi concentration camps?
Think about it.

What would an American soldier be doing in the USSR?

Innocent tourist?

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indeed. you cant just expect that the Soviets would simply release american spies. Soviet spies have died in America aswell so this news doesnt bother me at all

[RedAnarchist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 06:58 PM
You can't possibly blame all Communists for this bullshit.
The USSR wasnt Communist - it was just hiding behind a mask, exploiting Communism in order to oppress the Soviet people. The only time there was any real revolutionary socialism in the Soviet Union was from about 1917 to about 1923.

[October Revolution]

Yeh when Lenin was the leader and Trotsky still had some power in the state after Lenin it really all went wrong. If you think about had Lenin not died prematurely what would the USSR have become because it most probaly wouldn't have acheived true communism due to Lenins vanguard system? (bit of a dumb question but still)

[Roses in the Hospital]

Think about it.

What would an American soldier be doing in the USSR?

Innocent tourist?


Spies are fair game.
But the article also mentions soldiers captured from Vietnam and Korea. Soldiers who were just doing what they were told to. I don't think people like that deserved life in the gulags...

[Ramshaw is all]

To say that all the soldiers and even spies deserved to die is a bit harsh, the USSR was evil and corrupt(by the USSR, i mean Stalin and his cronies.)

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

EXTRA! EXTRA! US Murders Julius and Ethel Rosenburg!!!

Yah, that's right, in the cold war, both the Soviets, and the States tended to kill off people working against their interests.

So, casualty totals - US Citizens in Soviet Gulags vs Innocent South Vietnamese?

This post, admittedly, isn't coherent, but, my point is, it's silly to play the "WHO WAS WRONGER?!" game when we're talking about governments killing people off. Governments kill people, all governments, under more or less all circumstances. This is the role of governments, and if governments didn't murder people, they'd be horribly ineffectual.

Fuck the state. Fuck you. Fuck . . . uh . . .

[Computer] MOUSE!!!

[Urban Rubble]

EXTRA! EXTRA! US Murders Julius and Ethel Rosenburg!!!

Damnit, beat me to it.

I know this is a pretty basic thought for a leftist, but..... The level of hypocrisy in America never ceases to amaze me.

"You killed our spies in your camps!!" "So what, you killed our spies in public!".

"You invaded Afghanistan" "So what, you invaded Vietnam, and THEN Afghanistan!".

"You slaughtered POW's at Katyn forest!" "So what, you slaughtered civilians at Hiroshima and Nagasaki!".

"You built your infastructure with slave labor" "So what, you pay your convicts 12 cents an hour to pick up trash!"

"You hold prisoners for made up crimes!" "Guantanamo Bay".

"You persecuted Jews" "You persecuted blacks more recently!"

"We are the freest nation on earth" "We let women vote before you did!"

And on and on and on

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by redstar2000+Feb 17 2005, 05:03 PM--> (redstar2000 @ Feb 17 2005, 05:03 PM)
Roses in the [email protected] 17 2005, 11:58 AM

I certainly hope so!


to bad they didnt get them all...

That's a little bit harsh isn't it? Most of those people would be normal soldiers, not ideologists, politicians, or even activly capatalist (in which case I could understand your point.) They're all some mother's sons and (in the bigger picture) innocent cizillians. Would you have been so suportive if these people had died in Nazi concentration camps?
Think about it.

What would an American soldier be doing in the USSR?

Innocent tourist?

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I was under the impression much of them were pows. No it's not good, most of them were probably just poor suckers making a living.

[Xvall]

I'm with UR and VMT. The U.S. is just *****ing at this point.

[cormacobear]

There's no such thing as an innocent American Soldier. If your commanding officer tells you to rape an unarmed child and you do it are you innocent because you were just obeying orders? No anyone who obeys an order that violates international law , of which starting an illegal war is the most heinous, is as guilty as the next man. It's funny how they only had hundreds of soldiers and none of the thousands of U.S. spys sent to Russia. Whose to say they weren't there from U.S. incursians after the revolution. Do you not have a right to lock up men sent to overthrow your government and enslave your citizens.

U.S. prisons also use prisoner labour to make license plates for their cars, break rocks, pave roads, etc. etc. etc.. And this is just what the americans do to citizens in the direct public eye imagine what there more secretive prisons were like. Many states also have the Death penalty (also the U.S. punishment for epionage) I would rather be given the chance to work hard and continue living than be executed.