National Bolsheviks

[Killer12]

Why are you agaisnt them? They are fighting for the same cause. They fight agaisnt capitalists and stand for workers rights.

[pastradamus]

They also stand for racism

[Xvall]

You obviously don't know much about NB Killer. They are hypocrites and are menatlly unstable! They claim to be 'National Bolsheviks', but Bolshevism is an International theory! They claim to follow the ways of Marx, but are openly Anti-Semetic! Do you know how LITTLE sense that makes? Marx was a jew! You can't be an Anti-Semetic communist!

[ComradeJunichi]

Hey I signed up for the Lyceum.org I don't get what national bolsheviks are. I thought the bolsheviks were the good people...whats national bolshevik? Hey drake, how do you get those pictures in your posts on the lyceum?

[Xvall]

I get them in my posts with Magic.

Bolsheviks are good..
National Bolsheviks are Nazis in disguise.. Don't get the two confused.. All National Bolsheviks are Anti-Semetic and are Authoritarian Fascists..

[man in the red suit]

Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 5:50 pm on July 29, 2002
Marx was a jew! You can't be an Anti-Semetic communist!


actually Marx was anti-semetic.

He converted to protestinism. he has written letters to engels that are openly rascist against Jews. But I still see your point. national Bolsheviks are definitely nazis.
the people's orthodox movement of russia was another anti-semetic "communist" movement in the 80's. they are bad too.

[Nateddi]

nb's aren't marxist anti-semetic, they are nazi anti-semetic

nb's are nazis which have leftist economic ideas. so they hate jews for the same reason hitler hated them (destroying the white race, wishing to conquer the world, etc)

[Xvall]

I don't think Marx was too anti-semetic. Not in the way nazis are. Marx didn't like the jewish religion. I don't like any religion, personally. But he wasn't anti-semetic in the 'Hitleresque' way by blaming everything on them.

[Reuben]

I think Marx did not have an ethnic hate for the jews (anti-semitsm) though he had a very assimilationist attitude and opposed the jewish religion as he did with all religions.

Interestingly, although hiss family had converted, his jewish background was used against him by his opponents.

[man in the red suit]

Quote: from Reuben on 1:12 am on July 30, 2002
I think Marx did not have an ethnic hate for the jews (anti-semitsm) though he had a very assimilationist attitude and opposed the jewish religion as he did with all religions.





that is what i meant

[j]

Why would Marx become a Protestant if he was against religion?

j

[ComradeJunichi]

Don't know...maybe didn't like Judaism...and then didn't like to be protestant...and then you get religion is the opium of the people?

[Ian]

Well for one, Karl's father converted to protestant, not Karl. And secondly Engels and Marx NEVER (Not once!) talked about Marx being a jew because they believed religion was stupid (as do I). If you believe Marx was anti-semetic read 'On the Jewish Question', It concludes in a way that could be construed as anti-semetic but really it was anti-religion

[Nic8]

First, Marx had Jewish ancestry but I think he was an atheist. His father was a protestant.

"They claim to follow the ways of Marx, but are openly Anti-Semetic! Do you know how LITTLE sense that makes? Marx was a jew! You can't be an Anti-Semetic communist!"

Since when did fasicm make sence? Hitler had Jewish ancestry. His mom was Jewish. But I agree that the principles of communism are against anti-semitism.

[ComradeJunichi]

HIS MOM WAS JEWISH? Doesn't that affect the Nuremburg Laws? He should be gased...but I thought it was like a grandmother or a great grandmother...

[Hattori Hanzo]

Quote: from man in the red suit on 11:06 pm on July 29, 2002

Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 5:50 pm on July 29, 2002
Marx was a jew! You can't be an Anti-Semetic communist!


actually Marx was anti-semetic.

He converted to protestinism. he has written letters to engels that are openly rascist against Jews. But I still see your point. national Bolsheviks are definitely nazis.
the people's orthodox movement of russia was another anti-semetic "communist" movement in the 80's. they are bad too.


what you have said about Marx is bullshit. he was a jew, by race if not by religion!


oh, and the NB's suck, i agree with you there MITRS

[Hattori Hanzo]

Quote: from j on 3:56 am on July 30, 2002
Why would Marx become a Protestant if he was against religion?

j



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[OKGnism]

jews spews, didn't they kill jesus (de la cruz)

[Killer12]

Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 5:50 pm on July 29, 2002
You obviously don't know much about NB Killer. They are hypocrites and are menatlly unstable! They claim to be 'National Bolsheviks', but Bolshevism is an International theory! They claim to follow the ways of Marx, but are openly Anti-Semetic! Do you know how LITTLE sense that makes? Marx was a jew! You can't be an Anti-Semetic communist!


National Bolsheviks are communists as they support communist economics. They are actually internationalist. They believe our "race is our nation". They are anti semitic as they see jews as a threat to the white race. They arn't nazis in disguise they are Authoritarian Communists.

For the record Hitler having jewish ancestry is untrue. This had been debunked by many historians including jewish historians.

[Revolution Hero]

Quote: from Killer12 on 4:02 am on July 31, 2002
[quote]National Bolsheviks are communists as they support communist economics. They are actually internationalist. They believe our "race is our nation". They are anti semitic as they see jews as a threat to the white race. They arn't nazis in disguise they are Authoritarian Communists.

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National bolsheviks are nationalists, so they are not internationalists. And they are not communists, because communism is about internationalism.
"Workers of all countries unite!"- that what communists say.
" Workers of one country ( our country) unite!"- that what national bolsheviks say.
Do you see the difference now?
Nationalism= Fascism. So, they are Fascist Bolsheviks. True bolshevik can't be nationalist, so they are not bolsheviks. Just fascists, that's it.

[Killer12]

I have talked to some National bolsheviks and they all say they are internationlist. They believe that all white white workers should unite so it's basically communism for the white race.

[Reuben]

somebodies been taking stupid pill

they are probably just jealous because they are not jews :-) (jk)

[Mazdak]

WHITE RACE!! what about blacks and asians and indians?? That right there is promoting racism. how could one support it.

And Marx was atheist.

[Xvall]

Yep. Revolutionary Hero and Mazdak sort aoutlined what I think of them.

[Killer12]

Quote: from Mazdak on 5:48 pm on July 31, 2002
WHITE RACE!! what about blacks and asians and indians?? That right there is promoting racism. how could one support it.

And Marx was atheist.


WHAT DO YOU MEAN PROMOTING RACISM? There are plenty of organizations which are just for blacks and only promote black interests what is so different about this?

[ComradeJunichi]

National Bolsheviks they believe that their land is theirs? Like they don't believe in immigration and all that right? So they are not racist? They only believe that their land should be their own?

[Killer12]

This is the core beliefs of the NBP. What do you think?

As you know, National Bolshevism was invented in Russia, as a pro soviet, anti-jewish, nationalist party.

The good thing about NB is that it is adaptable for use outside of Russia, and can be implemented as a government anywhere.

For example:

State ownership:

Ownership of big business means that revenue from that business goes directly into the hands of the state, to nourish the people, instead of it going into the hands of a single owner.

State ownership of property means the same. You live on land, pay a rent or tax to the state that goes back into the economy.

Advication:

Worker's rights:
The working class are the most important people in the state, therefore they are to expect food and services for the work and contribution to society that they have done.

Nationalism:
The well-being of the state comes before any and all other nations. Nationalism means that the citizens of the state are to nourish their own state, and be loyal to it. Nationalism is better for the economy, since money and goods stay within the state for the people.

Anti-semitism:
The Jews have a bourgeois culture and a way of life that is damaging to the people and the state. The jews take advantage of the state and services for their own good.

Anti Immigration
The citizens of the state come first. Why should the state spend countless amounts of money on goods and services for non citizens?

Anti capitalism
Capitalism creates class structures. We are for abolishing class and returning control of the economy to the Workers. A pro planned economy is the way to go.

[Killer12]

Quote: from ComradeJunichi on 4:03 pm on Aug. 1, 2002
National Bolsheviks they believe that their land is theirs? Like they don't believe in immigration and all that right? So they are not racist? They only believe that their land should be their own?


They believe in racial differences and i think for the most part believe in racial separation and self determation for the different races.

[Edelweiss]

Killer12, or should I say Power1, STOP RE-REGISTERING! You piece of Nazi shit!

[Molotowcocktail]

Yeah, piss of Nazi Scump!

Nationalism must die so we can live!

[new democracy]

Quote: from Killer12 on 1:31 pm on July 31, 2002
I have talked to some National bolsheviks and they all say they are internationlist. They believe that all white white workers should unite so it's basically communism for the white race.

that was one of the most funniest quotes ever!!!



Quote: from Reuben on 2:50 pm on July 31, 2002
they are probably just jealous because they are not jews :-) (jk)

couldn't say it better Reuben. and i can see some members are so jealous that they decided to team up with those nazis http://politics.host.sk/discussion/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

jk

[nz revolution]

Man heaps of people got the wrong idea about those nazis.

If you go to their website they say "we are not communists" and "we are not marxists" "we beleive in socialism before Marx developed it"

They are scum and their HQ should be fire bombed...

They need to be stripped of the hammer and sickle and the name bolsheviks...

fuck them, if i saw one, they'd get a lead pellet in the head from my trusty slingshot

out

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Hitler was a NATIONAL-SOCIALIST because he didnt wanted to be a called NATIONAL-BOLSHEVIK because that relates to slaviks and jews.

National-socialist = nazi = racist,nationalistic = PIG!!