Nepal's Maoists

[NyChe21]

I don't know why the monarchal situation in Nepal has not been brought up yet on this forum but I think that it is worth taking a look at. It seems as though the huge Maoist rebellion stands at a threshold of success if they can politik a bit with the dissenting groups which make up a majority of the population. There has already been protests against the violence(on both sides) and the unjust monarchy. It is a fragile situation at the verge of a revolution.

Any thoughts?

[Phalanx]

Because of the king's crackdown on his own government, and the restrictions of freedom the people have, they will turn to the Maoists, who have not traditionally been popular with the people up till now. The maoists, whom have 10,000 well trained soldiers and a further 50,000 militia that is willing to fight beside them, are too strong to lose this war.

[RedStarOverChina]

True. I just hope the process and the future could be less painful for the Nepal's people.

[refuse_resist]

After what the king has done I strongly believe the Maoists are capable of getting rid of the tyrant that is currently in power. It's being said that many of the people living in the country who once were against them are now sympathising for them, so this of course is only a good sign.

[Wurkwurk]

The Maoist revolution in Nepal has been disscussed on these forms, though it hasn't garnered the attention it should. It is a revolution VERY CLOSE to sucsess, and a revolution many of us desire.

As of now, the Maoists control 80% of the country of Nepal, with wide if not fanatical popular support from the farmers. I myself have recently been to Nepal and seen the desperate situation the people in Kathmandu (the capital) is in, and I can only imagine how terrible it is in the countryside. It is a country ripe for revolution, with a rich miniscule upper class and a huge largely neglected peasant populatioin.

The Maoists and Royal Nepalese army have been clashing on weekly basis, with village after village, province after province falling or switching over to the Maoist side. The Maoists now are beginning to surround Kathmandu, virtually ruling the countryside.

As for how the world would greet a communist government...I cannot say. The truth is, since the world dosen't seem to give a crap about Nepal right now, I can't say they will take a new communist government too seriously.

Personally I am agianst violence, but if asked if i HAVE to support one side or another I fully back the Maoists.

[RedStarOverChina]

Personally I am agianst violence, but if asked if i HAVE to support one side or another I fully back the Maoists.

Well put. I agree. Also I believe in Nepal's situation, a Maoist revolution is most likely to succeed. I see that they'd bought Mao's military strategies. And that's good. It will lead the revolutionary forces to victory. However, no one knows whts gonna happen after they takeover. I hope China turns its policies around and start aiding the future Nepalease government.

[RedStarOverChina]

THE army is out on the streets, politicians are under arrest and a deadly Maoist revolt has been raging for nine years, but Nepal's tourism department has just one message: come on over. lol read this

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/commo...55E1702,00.html (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,12205178%255E1702,00.html)

[Abstrakt]

I support the revolution, and will be researching more on it.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 09:13 PM
I support the revolution, and will be researching more on it.
I don't, Maoism is a step forward from monarchism, granted. I still disagree with Maoism, as I do Leninism and Stalinism. They implement too much hierarchy.

[Kaan]

Thats too bad that the Nepalese people don't follow the exact sect of anarchism that you do, but this is the real world. Though it'd be nice, I sincerely doubt that the Chinese will do anything for Nepal; seems like the Nepalese people have their work cut out for them.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Originally posted by Anarcho Rebel+Feb 9 2005, 09:29 PM--> (Anarcho Rebel @ Feb 9 2005, 09:29 PM)
[email protected] 9 2005, 09:13 PM
I support the revolution, and will be researching more on it.
I don't, Maoism is a step forward from monarchism, granted. I still disagree with Maoism, as I do Leninism and Stalinism. They implement to[o] much hierarchy. [/b]

*Shrug* Nepal is not sufficiently developed to support a communist-proper revolution. To that end, if the masses support the Maoists, then power to them.

I think asking for an anarchist revolution in Nepal in the midst of the Maoist insurrection is like asking a starving man who has just caught a rabbit to go vegie . . .

[Phalanx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 07:45 PM
The Maoist revolution in Nepal has been disscussed on these forms, though it hasn't garnered the attention it should. It is a revolution VERY CLOSE to sucsess, and a revolution many of us desire.

As of now, the Maoists control 80% of the country of Nepal, with wide if not fanatical popular support from the farmers. I myself have recently been to Nepal and seen the desperate situation the people in Kathmandu (the capital) is in, and I can only imagine how terrible it is in the countryside. It is a country ripe for revolution, with a rich miniscule upper class and a huge largely neglected peasant populatioin.

The Maoists and Royal Nepalese army have been clashing on weekly basis, with village after village, province after province falling or switching over to the Maoist side. The Maoists now are beginning to surround Kathmandu, virtually ruling the countryside.

As for how the world would greet a communist government...I cannot say. The truth is, since the world dosen't seem to give a crap about Nepal right now, I can't say they will take a new communist government too seriously.

Personally I am agianst violence, but if asked if i HAVE to support one side or another I fully back the Maoists.
I thought at one time the rebels laid siege to Kathmandu. Despite the king's cruelty to his people, the US is giving him military aid to combat a popular revolution. I believe that is against our own constitution, isn't it?

[amusing foibles]

Speaking of the US, I wonder what the reaction would be if the Maoists "win".... Do you think the US would do anything or simply give some firey speeches?

I seem to recall Bush bringing up the "defeat of Communism" as one of the US's major acheivements, so not doing anything would be somewhat interesting on his part and a serious back-turn on the Truman doctrine (which I have no doubts about Bush supporting). However, I doubt any action would be public- switching the public's popular rage back towards communism would be too time consuming.

Of course, Nepal is of little strategic or economic to the US importance and is far from influential in the region, so then again they might just ignore it.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 10:12 PM
Thats too bad that the Nepalese people don't follow the exact sect of anarchism that you do, but this is the real world. Though it'd be nice, I sincerely doubt that the Chinese will do anything for Nepal; seems like the Nepalese people have their work cut out for them.
I don't want an Anarchist revolution either.

And I was quite amused by the comment in your signature

Maoism Rules!

Well, quite. Obviously it isn't the proletariat or the people, that "rule".

[bushdog]

What is important is that the maoist rebels create an independent country not some damn satilite of china, which is just about as communist as The ussr turned out to be.

[Anarchist Freedom]

I Like the idea of a revolution Even though there not industrial enough for a communist state maoism may help lead these people out of poverty.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by Anarchist [email protected] 10 2005, 03:43 PM
I Like the idea of a revolution Even though there not industrial enough for a communist state maoism may help lead these people out of poverty.
There&#39;s not enough industrial strength within the boundaries of infinity to create a communist state; since in communism, there is no state. <_<

[PRC-UTE]

IRSP SOLIDARITY WITH THE COMMUNIST PARTY OF NEPAL (MAOIST) AND PEOPLE’S
LIBERATION ARMY

Comrades, a chairde,

The International Department of the Irish Republican Socialist Party extend
greetings of solidarity to Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist) (CPN-M) and
the People’s Liberation Army on the occasion of the tenth anniversary of
the onset of the Great People’s War in Nepal, from all of the party&#39;s
comrades. As your own slogan has said so appropriately, we are sending our
solidarity greetings to the march of revolution on the roof of the world.

As has been demonstrated throughout the past ten years of revolutionary
struggle and was recently demonstrated anew through the successful,
countrywide, three-day general strike, clearly you have won the support of
the masses of working people in Nepal. As every successful social
revolution must be an act of self-liberation by the class itself, the
support of Nepalese working people for the struggle you are waging is
crucial to your victory. More importantly, their active participation in
the struggle is crucial to their own victory over foreign imperialism and
domestic capitalism and the remaining vestiges of feudalism that remain in
your country.

The recent coup by King Gyanendra and his assumption of full executive
powers of government and imposition of a state of emergency, signals that
the ruling class in Nepal is unable to find a way out of the deepening
crisis in which it finds itself, and victory is near at hand. His anxious
moves to shut down Internet and telephone lines only demonstrates that he,
and the rest of the ruling class with him, recognise the support that the
CPM-M and PLA have won around the globe.

In their desperation, the ruling class has used military force against
student protests in recent weeks, a further indication that they are
striking out in frenzy and fear. The fact that Gyanendra cited the
parliament’s failure to stop the insurgency of the Great People’s War as
the reason for declaring a state of emergency and seizing state power. The
Nepalese military, colonialist lackeys from their experience under British
imperialism, rattle their sabres and seek to crush the insurgency through
brute force, but your struggle, sustained for a decade by the solidarity of
the Nepalese working people, is not something to be crushed under the heel
of such small, petty men as these.

In calling again for peace negotiations, the ruling class is indicating
that they find themselves with their backs pressed against the
wall. Comrades, do not make the mistake that others made in Ireland in
such circumstances. When the ruling class seeks negotiations, it means that
they have the bitter taste of defeat in their mouth and it is never the
time to sit and talk with them. No compromise can be won between the
working masses and the pro-imperialist, reactionary ruling class*there is
no middle ground&#33; When your enemy calls for peace negotiations, the time
has come to re-double the struggle for liberation.

As you press forward in that struggle for liberation, we in the Irish
Republican Socialist Party applaud your advances. For every advance of our
class in any nation on earth, moves all of the rest of the working class
closer to victory. Beir Bua, comrades&#33;

Victory to the march of revolution on the roof of the world&#33;

Victory to the struggles of the working class throughout the world&#33;

[bolshevik butcher]

Good to see, hope they win sooner rather than later.

[Anarchist Freedom]

Anarcho rebel my bad communist goverment.

[flyby]

Originally posted by amusing [email protected] 10 2005, 12:29 AM
Of course, Nepal is of little strategic or economic to the US importance and is far from influential in the region, so then again they might just ignore it.
I think this greatly underestimates the danger of u.s. involvement, and the importance of the nepalese revolution.

Nepal is right across the border from India, which has a growing Maoist movement (including in the northern states like Bihar and West Bengal that are close to nepal.)

In other words, Nepal is the fuse, and India is the powder keg.

The victory of a revolution in nepal can greatly accelerate the contradictions and revolutionary struggle in India (which is one of the worlds most important places.)

For that reason, everything about nepal&#39;s revolution is strategic. And every power in the world has its fingers in this situation. The U.S. has sent arms and commandos. India is expected to invade at some point, and so on.

They will NOT ignore this revolution. They will attack it. How theyattack, is not yet clear.

But we need to help more people understand the importance of Nepal&#39;s revolution, spread the word about what this revolution is about (how it is a genuinely liberating revolution, unlike Iran&#39;s islamic revolution or the attempts in Latin America to "win an opening through arms") etc.

I urge everyone to check out li onesto&#39;s website (http://lionesto.net) which is full of resources on nepal -- including her powerful work "Dispatches" based on her visit to the liberated areas as an eyewitness revolutionary reporter.

[flyby]

li&#39;s dispatches can be read here: http://rwor.org/s/nepal.htm

[Hiero]

I don&#39;t think they will attack. India will just strengthing its borders. Which they are curently attempting to do as some Nepalese Maoist crossed the border when the King dismissed the government.

[flyby]

you are mistaken.

Everyone expects india to invade (not tomorrow necessarily).

They are in a bind: they face war with pakistan. They worry about being bogged down in nepal (which is a big country). But their rickety class rule cannot allow them to accept a revolutionary communist state on their northern borders -- which would inevitably act as a powerful base area for the Indian revolution.

They are not just "strengthening their borders" they are forward deploying their troops, and seeking to "mop up" Nepali guerilla bases and command posts on the Indian side of the border.

[revolutionary comrade]

well according to one nepali he says no one is in control of nepal, neither the government or the maoists. but nows the maoists chance

[Kaan]

Just for the record, my signature is a joke, since somebody has a sig that reads "Maoism Sucks" I figured it would be funny to counter him/her

[Famepollution]

I personally support the Maoists In Nepal.

Its time for some authoritarian Leninests to wipe out the last remnants of their King and arristocracy. So that finally Capitalism and Republican government can finally flourish in this country>


All Power To their Great Maoist Leader &#33;&#33;&#33;

[Wurkwurk]

Really guys, I think hoping a revolution in India is a bit overreacting to the whole issue. In fact, Nepal is NOT a big country in size or population, and even if the maoists do win there, I don&#39;t believe revolution would shake the Indian subcontinent. But in the next century, i don&#39;t know what will happen ;)

QUOTE: All Power To their Great Maoist Leader &#33;&#33;&#33;
I don&#39;t support a leader as much as I do the people, as a life of a peasant (in my opinion) is just as precious as a life of a leader. Off topic anyways :)

[shadows]

Is there an economic basis for a socialist Nepal? Or would the revolution depend on spreading to India to establish a firmer economic base?

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 07:14 AM
Is there an economic basis for a socialist Nepal? Or would the revolution depend on spreading to India to establish a firmer economic base?
I can&#39;t see that happening.

[shadows]

Provided that socialism, as I assume the Maoists seek, in some form or another, is the goal of a revolution in Nepal, then the peasant &#39;commune&#39; (I&#39;m not sure if this exists in Nepal) might provide a form if not a base for socialism. Albeit not a modern socialism. Marx apparently believed that the communes in the Russian peasantry had some potential for Russian socialism, thus his friendly terms with some of the Nihilists (Narodniks); but the spread of industrialism certainly outdated the peasant commune. How would Nepal sustain itself? Would it try to close its borders to defend itself from capitalist influence, the market, etc.? Does a barracks socialism of this sort still have appeal? Could it survive? Even North Korea seeks connections with other nations. Is ideology sufficient to establish socialism? To me, this is the paradox, perhaps without solution, to the Maoist emphasis on &#39;line.&#39;

[American_Trotskyist]

http://www.marxist.com/Asia/nepal_royal_coup.htm this is Marxist.com&#39;s intepretation. I say, Death to the Monarchy and the Capitalists&#33;