Again you leftists OPPOSSE FREEDOM.

[the RIGHT=FREEDOM]

The money that I pay into social security is MINE. I should be able to do whatever I want with it, if I want to invest it in the stock market in order to get a bigger return, then THAT'S MY RIGHT.

So, why do you people opposse me doin what I want with MY money?

Hmmm, naw, I'm not even goin to get started on your blatant disreguard for human life, -cough- stem cell research, abortion! -cough-

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by the illiterate one known as the RIGHT=FREEDOM
Hmmm, naw, I'm not even goin to get started on your blatant disreguard for human life, -cough- stem cell research, abortion! -cough-

I can see why you're hot on the issue of abortion; if your mother had had access to one, you certainly wouldn't be here to bother us now. :lol:

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[Don't Change Your Name]

Private property was created by force.

Oh, and if you oppose abortions, then you must oppose extracting a tumor, since it's a human life too! :rolleyes:

[October Revolution]

Neway you say that we believe in restricitng freedom yet if you invest into the stock market instead of back into the state then you are restricing others freedom. If you truly believe in freedom then you should do whatever you could to help your fellow man instead of collecting money for your own selfish needs.

[Socialist_Smurf]

The irony is laughable, you say we oppose freedom, but then say we're evil baby killers due to abortion and stem cell research. Aborted embryos are mighty controversial what with abortion and pro-life and all that stupidity. But heres the thing, you're pro-life..and allowing people to die. Look, not everyone beleives that embryos are magic gifts from "God", some people actually think that they are biological result of a sperm and egg conjoining. Abortion is not murder because it is not a human yet, it is an embryo. It MIGHT be a "living thing" and have a soul or whatever crap you want to say, but not everyone feels this way, only the religious. And religion can not run a country..it should be a democracy, not a theocracy, and religion shouldn't affect our scientific progress. But..abortion IS legal as much as you may dislike it..but what are these wealths of stem cells being used for? Who knows, duck sauce? Not for helping those in need thats for sure, because stem cell research is BANNED. Now look, if you wanna say god gave us these diseases well thats dandy..but how do you know he didn't want us to use technology and cure them? Yes, you may say these people should not fear death if they repented their sins or whatever..but look, no one really wants to die . These head honchos say that the cure is wrong and all this..but it's mighty easy to say the cure is wrong when you don't have the disease. Stop being so blind and apathetic and think long and hard here...you can save lives or let'em die...what would Jesus do? Haha okay i had to get that out :D Also you fail to see what the companies IN the stock market are doing to human lives, you only look at the money you can make. Golly, they're killing people in Colombia? Oh whatever, i can make a buck! THATS whats wrong, not us.

[Zingu]

Yes, we oppose freedom.


We want to destroy the freedom that allows you fire and exploit workers, evict people from their homes which is your "private property", we want to take the freedom away from the slave owners;

the only freedom we want to take away is the freedom to exploit a fellow human being, we want to give more freedom to the masses, freeing them from wage slavery.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

YOU FREEDOM HATER!!! HATE!!! HATE!!!

Slavery is freedom!

Especially wage-slavery.

[New Tolerance]

The money that I pay into social security is MINE. I should be able to do whatever I want with it, if I want to invest it in the stock market in order to get a bigger return, then THAT'S MY RIGHT.

You offered no reason to defend your claim. Why should private property be a right? Just because it's written as a right doesn't make it right. It used to be a right to own slaves too u know.

[Zingu]

There is more to freedom and life than your money invested in the stock market you know.

[fernando]

Originally posted by the [email protected] 6 2005, 05:58 PM
The money that I pay into social security is MINE. I should be able to do whatever I want with it, if I want to invest it in the stock market in order to get a bigger return, then THAT'S MY RIGHT.

So, why do you people opposse me doin what I want with MY money?

Hmmm, naw, I'm not even goin to get started on your blatant disreguard for human life, -cough- stem cell research, abortion! -cough-
How dare you to speak of freedom, you follower of a repressive religion!!!

[Zingu]

Originally posted by the [email protected] 6 2005, 05:58 PM


Hmmm, naw, I'm not even goin to get started on your blatant disreguard for human life, -cough- stem cell research, abortion! -cough-
Yeah, you are horrified about killing single cells, but you are perfectly fine with killing human beings. :rolleyes:

[Livetrueordie]

Actually Developed People are aborted every day, but u have a problem with ones who dont even yet have a life, being aborted. The reason women usually have abortions is because the baby will probably get a neglected life it doesn't diserve, would this happen in a leftist society? Its also often a reputational issue, would a true leftist judge u because u had an illigitimate baby???. NOt often does a women with a husband and support abort there babies. And stem cells save lives, u dont have to kill for stem cells either.

[NovelGentry]

If the fetus does not contribute labor to society it has no right to acquire the necessary products from society to live! KILL ALL FETUSES!

[Kaan]

The best part about abortion is eating the baby afterwards, And who are any of you to judge me, its because you all hate my freedom to eat babies!

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!!!11

[RedLenin]

Ok right=freedom you are really starting to bug me. The most annoying thing is that your not even willing to have a nice polite debate with us, or even take the time to educate yourself on anything we talk about. You have posted multiple threads repeating the same missinformed crap, and it is just taking up board space. Do us all a favor and please leave. There are plenty of right wing forums on the net. Allow us to have nice debates with respectfull right wingers. So please, once again, leave this board and leave us alone. Thank you.

[cormacobear]

The right to hoard wealth and property is only one freedom, and it stands in stark contrast to many others. For example you feel that you have the right to decide what is done with your money by that logic the 50% of Americans that feel the United States shouldn't be spending "their money" on the military shouldn't have to pay taxes. You think you should have absolute rights over your income but not your body.

The freedom to hoard wealth infringes on other peoples freedom to have food and shelter and education. Are these freedoms not as important? Clearly you're in a minority since virtually every democracy has a system of taxation and a social safety net. So if you truly beleive in freedom you must comply with the will of the majority or be in favour of a dictatorship which is the alternative and a complete lack of freedom.

Remember you also have the freedom to emigrate to a country like Saudi Arabia where they don't pay income tax or make cotributions to the common good because the countries oil revenues are sufficient. If you need help packing let me know.

[cormacobear]

Also your agument about minimum wage is moot, a blatant lie. The application of a minimum wage consistently lowers poverty levels, trhe same is true when minimum wages are increased. The only honest argument against minimum wages is that they contribute to inflation, but inflation occurs regardless so the good outways the negative

sorry the argument against minimum wage was made in a different thread. Too many threads on the same Cappie crap.

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by El Infiltr(A)[email protected] 6 2005, 07:00 PM
Private property was created by force.
How can it be created by force ? Do you mean stolen ? How can you steal something that didn't belong to anyone in the first place ?

[NovelGentry]

How can you steal something that didn't belong to anyone in the first place ?

I'll remember that question when I fence off a portion of Bill Gate's village. At one point that land belonged to no one? right? So if I can't steal anything that didn't belong anyone in the FIRST place, I guess it's not theft.

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 11:58 PM
I'll remember that question when I fence off a portion of Bill Gate's village. At one point that land belonged to no one? right? So if I can't steal anything that didn't belong anyone in the FIRST place, I guess it's not theft.
It belong to someone now, though, doesn't it ?

[NovelGentry]

It belong to someone now, though, doesn't it ?

But it didn't in the first place.

[Professor Moneybags]

The freedom to hoard wealth infringes on other peoples freedom to have food and shelter and education.

Those aren't rights, though, are they ? If you are taking my money (the product of my labour) to pay for these things, then you're enslaving me.


Are these freedoms not as important?

The freedom to enslave is a contadiction in terms.


Clearly you're in a minority since virtually every democracy has a system of taxation and a social safety net.

Bah ! Appeal to common belief.


So if you truly beleive in freedom you must comply with the will of the majority

If the will of the majority if results in my enslavement, then complying with it's will isn't exactly believing in freedom, is it ?


or be in favour of a dictatorship which is the alternative and a complete lack of freedom.

:lol: You must be the patron saint of false dichotomies. This is priceless. You're going on my sig.


Remember you also have the freedom to emigrate to a country like Saudi Arabia where they don't pay income tax or make cotributions to the common good

How exactly does being robbed at gunpoint constitute the "common good" ?

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 12:19 AM
But it didn't in the first place.
Well I'm sure Mr. Gates will be happy to give it back, if you can find it's original owner.

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 04:18 PM
The only honest argument against minimum wages is that they contribute to inflation,
...which negates the benefit for the minimum wage and puts you back to square one. Nice going.

[cormacobear]

Yes the will of the majority as represented by a true democracy not an oligarchy like in America.

The product of whose labour?
The top 10% control 75% of the nations wealth yet they have clearly not performed the labour that made those trillions of dollars.

So they enslave the working class.

A slave is not paid for there labour so how can you pay taxes if you're not being paid, or if you are paying taxes then clearly you're not a slave.

Only when the labourer is given an equal portion of the revenue his labour creates is he free.

So again the right to hoard wealth is one right that stands in opposition to many others includeing food shelter and education. You appear to beleive that the freedom to hoard wealth and not have to contribute your labour to exist ( your money makes you money) is the only freedom which is clearly not the case.

I'd like you to provide a single case where the inflation rose so quickly it negated the added income from an increase or the application of minimum wage. The rate of inflation would have to rise quickly and dramatically to negate any beneifit.

[ElKomunista]

I just realized that "the RIGHT=FREEDOM" does even defend his statement since he never replys to others when they right something about his stupid topics...

[Zingu]

Originally posted by Professor [email protected] 8 2005, 12:32 AM


Are these freedoms not as important?

The freedom to enslave is a contadiction in terms.

So the Southern cotton sector never happened? :rolleyes: