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[the RIGHT=FREEDOM]

On the forums I came from, ANYONE can say ANYTHING they want without getting banned after three posts.

Members on the forums I come from are also allowed to go on ANY forum they want.

This right here kinda debunks your whole, "we're for freedom" argument.

[the RIGHT=FREEDOM]

BUMP.

[October Revolution]

This site is for leftists to debate with each other on leftist matters it is not for you daft cappies who argue badly and then don't listen to the counter argument put towards you. You get sent to the OI section for those reasons. If we wish to argue against your strange ideologies then we will but then again it never really is much of an argument.

[New Tolerance]

On the forums I came from, ANYONE can say ANYTHING they want without getting banned after three posts.

Members on the forums I come from are also allowed to go on ANY forum they want.

This right here kinda debunks your whole, "we're for freedom" argument.


Then I suppose you've actually got a reason for why protestors get thrown out of the Republican Convention after they break in? (or are the Republicans anti-freedom as well?)

[STI]

This is a left wing board for left wing people. We restrict cappies to OI because the other forums are there for discussion between leftists about leftist issues. If you have an issue with leftism, you're free to bring it up, as long as it's in this forum.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Anyway, this talk about FREEDOM made me think. I saw these footages of brave and liberty warfare.

Look at how these terroristic Iraqi farmers try to ram an Apache helicopter with their tractor! I bet that those Iraqi terrorists hate FREEDOM!

http://www.globalresearch.ca/audiovideo/apachehit.mpg

[October Revolution]

:angry: Thats probaly one of the most evil cowardly things i've ever seen especially the end bit when they shoot the wounded guy lying on the floor, bastards. And the US claims it's on the side of Good and of God lying scum :angry:

[monkeydust]

This is a local board for local people.

Good day....

[Latifa]

Where DID you come from?

[Enemy]

This forum is private property and they have the right to run it anyway they choose. This includes banning and restricting posters. They don't really practice what they preach here.

[Zingu]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 03:31 AM
This forum is private property and they have the right to run it anyway they choose. This includes banning and restricting posters. They don't really practice what they preach here.

If we let everyone have admin powers to fullfill equality, we would have neo-nazis coming and destroying everything, routinely.


You could say we operate this board on Marxist-Leninist ideology actually. :D

The anarchists will be horrified when they realize that.

[Enemy]

Originally posted by Zingu+Feb 7 2005, 03:52 AM--> (Zingu @ Feb 7 2005, 03:52 AM)
[email protected] 7 2005, 03:31 AM
This forum is private property and they have the right to run it anyway they choose. This includes banning and restricting posters. They don't really practice what they preach here.

If we let everyone have admin powers to fullfill equality, we would have neo-nazis coming and destroying everything, routinely.


You could say we operate this board on Marxist-Leninist ideology actually. :D

The anarchists will be horrified when they realize that. [/b]
So you silence certain voices. Which is your right.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 10:31 PM
This includes banning and restricting posters. They don't really practice what they preach here.
That deserves about as much effort to debunk as you put into your reasoning...

What I find ironic is that cappies often make statements to the effect of "freedom isn't free," and then justify actions of coercion and invasion of every form; yet the first dispute they have with leftists is that we "take away their freedom," which has no foundation in reality. Hypocrites!

[Enemy]

Originally posted by 313C7 iVi4RX+Feb 7 2005, 04:04 AM--> (313C7 iVi4RX @ Feb 7 2005, 04:04 AM)
[email protected] 6 2005, 10:31 PM
This includes banning and restricting posters. They don't really practice what they preach here.
That deserves about as much effort to debunk as you put into your reasoning...

What I find ironic is that cappies often make statements to the effect of "freedom isn't free," and then justify actions of coercion and invasion of every form; yet the first dispute they have with leftists is that we "take away their freedom," which has no foundation in reality. Hypocrites! [/b]
You guys wanna talk about hypocrisy?

Leftists talk about rights, yet you support castro. That is the definition of hypocrisy.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 11:21 PM
You guys wanna talk about hypocrisy?

Leftists talk about rights, yet you support castro. That is the definition of hypocrisy.
Yes.

All leftist support Castro? You are full of shit. Some may even support his goals but not his means. Stop generalizing.

EDIT: Oh yeah, Kudos on changing the topic!

[FatFreeMilk]

On the forums I came from, ANYONE can say ANYTHING they want without getting banned after three posts.

Members on the forums I come from are also allowed to go on ANY forum they want.

This right here kinda debunks your whole, "we're for freedom" argument.

If you don't like it then why don't you leave? You're free to leave buddy.

[Enemy]

Originally posted by 313C7 iVi4RX+Feb 7 2005, 04:38 AM--> (313C7 iVi4RX @ Feb 7 2005, 04:38 AM)
[email protected] 6 2005, 11:21 PM
You guys wanna talk about hypocrisy?

Leftists talk about rights, yet you support castro. That is the definition of hypocrisy.
Yes.

All leftist support Castro? You are full of shit. Some may even support his goals but not his means. Stop generalizing. [/b]
And you didn't generlize? Come on both sides generalize.

People use his face as avatars. Thats supporting the guy, his goals and his means. Besides castro, what about che? He's another murderer that you guys support. Lenin, stalin, mao, castro, and che. All your heros are murderers. You guys don't care if they murdered people just as long as they put communist governments in power. What a bunch of fucked up people.

[marxist_socialist_aussie]

ohh, and bush, regan, howard, maenzies, thatcher, truman etc. didn't murder people? Of course they fucking did and in the case of bush jnr. continues to today. Also, what about Marx and Engels, they didn't kill anybody? or did they just slip your mind? seems your quote 'All your heros are murderers' is a bit of a lie then.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 11:51 PM
And you didn't generlize? Come on both sides generalize.
I didn't see any generalization. I pointed out the behavior all cappies maintain, justification by self-deception.

"both sides generalize," is a generalization :lol: good one.

Many people do generalize but that is no excusse to not justify you statements.


People use his face as avatars. Thats supporting the guy, his goals and his means.

Right but not all (generalization).


Besides castro, what about che? He's another murderer that you guys support.

Generalization, and your accusation of "murder" is another debate. Can you honestly say more people have not been killed by capitalist means?


Lenin, stalin, mao, castro, and che. All your heros are murderers.

Not my heroes. I admire the resolve/aspirations of some of those people, I see falts in them and I do not idolize them; some I even have many problems with. You can say "murderers" all you like, you are generalizing.


You guys don't care if they murdered people just as long as they put communist governments in power. What a bunch of fucked up people.

Communism is by definition without governments, so your statement doesn't make sense. How many unarmed men, women and children where killed for Bush's occupation/government in Iraq? Murderers!

[FatFreeMilk]

All your heros are murderers. You guys don't care if they murdered people just as long as they put communist governments in power. What a bunch of fucked up people. Marx is my homie and he was not a murderer kid. If you took the time to see what marxism is abut then you'd see that we're not " a bunch of fucked up people". For the most part anyways.

Eradicate the hate and read a litte marx before you talk so much shit.

But if you wanna play the name game it's obvious that the capitalists of the world have been way more "fucked up". Not only them, but the system they represent to be more precise.

[Enemy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 05:05 AM
ohh, and bush, regan, howard, maenzies, thatcher, truman etc. didn't murder people? Of course they fucking did and in the case of bush jnr. continues to today. Also, what about Marx and Engels, they didn't kill anybody? or did they just slip your mind? seems your quote 'All your heros are murderers' is a bit of a lie then.
I don't consider killing bad people murder. Killing terrorists, invading armies, and the Japanese during WW2 deserved to die. Marx and Engels never killed anybody thats why I didn't include them. If you wanna have Marx as your hero so be it. But what do you say about those who wear che guevara shirts and use castro as their avatar?

[marxist_socialist_aussie]

actually, I do have a Che shirt and I will wear it with pride. Of course Che was not without his faults, I don't think nayone has claimed that.

Also, I didn't realise those 10's or even 100's of thousands of Iraqi citizens, many of them children, who have been killed by American 'collaterol damage' were 'bad'. Funny isn't it, when others do it is murder, whent he americans do it it wis 'colaterol damage'.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 12:24 AM
But what do you say about those who wear che guevara shirts and use castro as their avatar?
I say pick a topic! Stop juggling and wasting time. If you want to know about revolutionaries, just ask reasonably. You could do some research make some points to address and post about it... I'll get back to you when you do.

[NovelGentry]

I don't consider killing bad people murder. Killing terrorists, invading armies ... deserved to die.

So you don't have a problem with Che then.

[Taiga]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 05:24 AM
But what do you say about those who wear che guevara shirts and use castro as their avatar?
They are FREE to do that, aren't they? ;) :lol: :lol: :lol:

[fernando]

Originally posted by Enemy+Feb 7 2005, 05:24 AM--> (Enemy @ Feb 7 2005, 05:24 AM)
[email protected] 7 2005, 05:05 AM
ohh, and bush, regan, howard, maenzies, thatcher, truman etc. didn't murder people? Of course they fucking did and in the case of bush jnr. continues to today. Also, what about Marx and Engels, they didn't kill anybody? or did they just slip your mind? seems your quote 'All your heros are murderers' is a bit of a lie then.
I don't consider killing bad people murder. Killing terrorists, invading armies, and the Japanese during WW2 deserved to die. Marx and Engels never killed anybody thats why I didn't include them. If you wanna have Marx as your hero so be it. But what do you say about those who wear che guevara shirts and use castro as their avatar? [/b]
Guevara killed enemy soldiers, war criminals...hmm I thought that was a normal thing for a soldier to do...

[RhetoricalAbsurdity]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 05:24 AM
I don't consider killing bad people murder. Killing terrorists, invading armies, and the Japanese during WW2 deserved to die.
The phrase "bad people" is quite elementary and very relative. To much of the world, Americans are "bad people." I mean, look at what they've seen of us! We invade their homeland, kill their family, and leave their country in ruins. From the eyes of many, we are "bad people." So, are you saying you think an attack on LA, New York, Washington, et cetera, would be justified?

Of course not. In America, the term "bad people" is understood to mean pretty much whoever we're pissed off at now. Saddam was cool back in the 80's, but now we want to overthrow him? Bad person. Stalin was our buddy in WWII, but it's over? Communists are bad people. We're at war with the Japanese? Well, throw Japanese Americans into internment camps and bomb a major city! They're bad people!

The definition of a word should not be so broad and encompassing. There must be some set criterion for a person or a whole nation to be bad. Imperialistic and oppressive, perhaps. Active participation in international terrorism is important. A grave threat to world peace? Unfortunately, under all these definitions, the United States would be classified as "bad." Which is, of course, why America refuses to set such a defininition. It's because WE are bad people.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Yeah, you should listen to speeches of governmental officials and especially Bush. There are evildoers, there are bad people, there are freedomstealers, there are terrorists etc. etc. Their speeches contain the intelligence of a 4 year old.

Anyway fun thing happend yesterday. There was an interview with the American ambassador of Iraq. Interview went something like this:

Q: How many Iraqi's have died since the invasion?

A: I do not know.

Q: What do you mean, you get those statistics everyday.

A: I just don't know

Then a little bit further.

A: Most Iraqi civilian deaths are caused by those maniacal carbombs

Q: How can you know those statistics, when you don't even know the total number of civilian casualties

A: I am not answering.

Q: Why not?

A: This interview is over. <_<

[fernando]

Hey I saw that too&#33;&#33;&#33; Was that on Belgium tv or on Netwerk?

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Belgium :D

I was dissapointed that the interviewer didn&#39;t push through. I would have started yelling. "Well mister, where is the truth now&#33;&#33;"

[fernando]

Interviewers never push through or else they might lose their job ;) Now there&#39;s freedom for ya&#33;&#33;&#33; :lol:

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by Non&#045;Sectarian Bastard&#33;@Feb 7 2005, 06:19 AM
I would have started yelling. "Well mister, where is the truth now&#33;&#33;"
"This interview is over," seems to give that impression anyway.

You might as well say, "I&#39;ve told you too much as it is."

Oops&#33;

Though it is nice to see if they will have a stupid reaction... yeah, I would like to see that.

[Professor Moneybags]

DIE FREEDOM HATERS&#33;&#33;&#33; DIE&#33;&#33;&#33;

(Edited especially for Non-Sectarian Bastard)

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

YES, those Iraqi farmers were such a tremendous threat to that Aparche.

DIE FREEDOM HATERS&#33;&#33;&#33; DIE&#33;&#33;&#33;

Especially that part when that guy pretends to be wounded. Good thing the Apache fired explosive rounds at him. He might have hidden an anti-air missle under his tongue. Maybe all Iraqi&#39;s have hidden anti-air missles under their tongues&#33;

DIE IRAQI&#39;S&#33;&#33;&#33; DIE&#33;&#33;&#33; IRAQI&#39;S HATE FREEDOM&#33;&#33;&#33;

Except, the fact that you are a moron. How did the Iraqi farmer threaten the US forces?

Ow, everybody listen up. Mister lame excuse aka "I am against initiation of force" is about to say something stupid.

YOU ARE AGAINST THE IRAQI&#39;S FREEDOM TO LIVE&#33;&#33;&#33;

DIE FAKE-PROFESSOR DIE&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Originally posted by Professor [email protected] 7 2005, 03:23 PM
Shit. Wrong topic.
Bullshit. You commented on the Apache images. With:

"They (Iraqi farmers) shouldn&#39;t die for dictatorship"

[Professor Moneybags]

Kill &#33; Kill &#33; Kill &#33; Loot &#33; Pillage &#33; Steal &#33; Invade Poland &#33;

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Professor [email protected] 7 2005, 03:41 PM
Kill &#33; Kill &#33; Kill &#33; Loot &#33; Pillage &#33; Steal &#33; Invade Poland &#33;
That&#39;s your lot proff.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Originally posted by Professor [email protected] 7 2005, 03:41 PM
Kill &#33; Kill &#33; Kill &#33; Loot &#33; Pillage &#33; Steal &#33; Invade Poland &#33;
Evasion ha. I do not know what Poland has to do with me. I have never visited it.

The big mystery:

You are supporting the war in Iraq, while there is initiation of force, destruction of private property and mass violations of individual rights. Hypocrite or idiot?

Say your stupid thing, I have been waiting.