So? WhaThe private sector, thoughts commes?

[the RIGHT=FREEDOM]

I'm really interested in hearing what you have to say.

[New Tolerance]

That's a pretty broad topic, it's like asking what u think of the solar system. Is there anything specific about it you want to hear about?

[the RIGHT=FREEDOM]

Originally posted by New [email protected] 5 2005, 04:45 PM
That's a pretty broad topic, it's like asking what u think of the solar system. Is there anything specific about it you want to hear about?
Yes. Which do you think works better for a society? A private sector that holds it's employees accountable for the jobs they do, or the government, whose workers can halfass their jobs because they know their going to get that paycheck anyway.

[Zingu]

Don't you know we're left wingers?

The answer should be obvious.

Seriously, the mods should delete these this post as spam, we've answered these questions over and over and over again a thousand times fold.

[fernando]

Originally posted by the RIGHT=FREEDOM+Feb 5 2005, 04:49 PM--> (the RIGHT=FREEDOM @ Feb 5 2005, 04:49 PM)
New [email protected] 5 2005, 04:45 PM
That's a pretty broad topic, it's like asking what u think of the solar system. Is there anything specific about it you want to hear about?
Yes. Which do you think works better for a society? A private sector that holds it's employees accountable for the jobs they do, or the government, whose workers can halfass their jobs because they know their going to get that paycheck anyway. [/b]
The worker for the private company can also just be a lazy bum knowing that he will still get payed...and the government can also fire people who dont work hard enough, or reduce their wages...your point being?

[the RIGHT=FREEDOM]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 04:53 PM
Don't you know we're left wingers?

The answer should be obvious.

Seriously, the mods should delete these this post as spam, we've answered these questions over and over and over again a thousand times fold.
I'm new, humor me. So, you really think the government is more competent than the private sector. Wow, that's too funny!

[fernando]

Originally posted by the RIGHT=FREEDOM+Feb 5 2005, 04:56 PM--> (the RIGHT=FREEDOM @ Feb 5 2005, 04:56 PM)
[email protected] 5 2005, 04:53 PM
Don't you know we're left wingers?

The answer should be obvious.

Seriously, the mods should delete these this post as spam, we've answered these questions over and over and over again a thousand times fold.
I'm new, humor me. So, you really think the government is more competent than the private sector. Wow, that's too funny! [/b]
Why would the government be inferior to the private sector?

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Do you even try to understand Communism?

What have we said in almost every post. Repeat after me you brainless sheep. In choir:

"There is no government in communism, there is no state in communism, there are no classes in communism, there is no private sector in communism".


"There is no government in communism, there is no state in communism, there are no classes in communism, there is no private sector in communism".


"There is no government in communism, there is no state in communism, there are no classes in communism, there is no private sector in communism".

I get the idea that you are trolling, spamming the board. Watch out or i'll Abu Graib ya :P

[the RIGHT=FREEDOM]

Originally posted by fernando+Feb 5 2005, 04:55 PM--> (fernando @ Feb 5 2005, 04:55 PM)
Originally posted by the [email protected] 5 2005, 04:49 PM

New [email protected] 5 2005, 04:45 PM
That's a pretty broad topic, it's like asking what u think of the solar system. Is there anything specific about it you want to hear about?
Yes. Which do you think works better for a society? A private sector that holds it's employees accountable for the jobs they do, or the government, whose workers can halfass their jobs because they know their going to get that paycheck anyway.
The worker for the private company can also just be a lazy bum knowing that he will still get payed...and the government can also fire people who dont work hard enough, or reduce their wages...your point being? [/b]
Why do you want the government to control you life and run everything?

[fernando]

Originally posted by the RIGHT=FREEDOM+Feb 5 2005, 05:00 PM--> (the RIGHT=FREEDOM @ Feb 5 2005, 05:00 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by the [email protected] 5 2005, 04:49 PM

New [email protected] 5 2005, 04:45 PM
That's a pretty broad topic, it's like asking what u think of the solar system. Is there anything specific about it you want to hear about?
Yes. Which do you think works better for a society? A private sector that holds it's employees accountable for the jobs they do, or the government, whose workers can halfass their jobs because they know their going to get that paycheck anyway.
The worker for the private company can also just be a lazy bum knowing that he will still get payed...and the government can also fire people who dont work hard enough, or reduce their wages...your point being?
Why do you want the government to control you life and run everything? [/b]
Where do I say that I want the government to control my life and run everything? You say that a government cannot run producetion facilities and get workers to work, why not? What makes the private sector so much better in your point of view?

Isnt your life already being run by private companies who indoctrinate you into buying certain products, to think in a certain way, to view certain tv shows, you think you are free while you still work in order to fulfill your addiction of the brainless entertainment this society has to offer...

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Funny thing to say coming from a man who supports the US government.

[fernando]

Originally posted by New [email protected] 5 2005, 04:45 PM
That's a pretty broad topic, it's like asking what u think of the solar system. Is there anything specific about it you want to hear about?
I like the solar system :P

[the RIGHT=FREEDOM]

Originally posted by fernando+Feb 5 2005, 05:02 PM--> (fernando @ Feb 5 2005, 05:02 PM)
Originally posted by the [email protected] 5 2005, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by the [email protected] 5 2005, 04:49 PM

New [email protected] 5 2005, 04:45 PM
That's a pretty broad topic, it's like asking what u think of the solar system. Is there anything specific about it you want to hear about?
Yes. Which do you think works better for a society? A private sector that holds it's employees accountable for the jobs they do, or the government, whose workers can halfass their jobs because they know their going to get that paycheck anyway.
The worker for the private company can also just be a lazy bum knowing that he will still get payed...and the government can also fire people who dont work hard enough, or reduce their wages...your point being?
Why do you want the government to control you life and run everything?
Where do I say that I want the government to control my life and run everything? You say that a government cannot run producetion facilities and get workers to work, why not? What makes the private sector so much better in your point of view?

Isnt your life already being run by private companies who indoctrinate you into buying certain products, to think in a certain way, to view certain tv shows, you think you are free while you still work in order to fulfill your addiction of the brainless entertainment this society has to offer... [/b]
Ok, why are the test scores from those who go to private schools higher than those who go to private schools?

I've seen how the government tries to "help", every housing project it starts ends up being torn down, becoming a haven for drug dealers, or being taken over by private companies.

Our government was only ever suppossed to protect our rights and defend this country, it has beeen overstepping it's boundaries for bout 200 years now.

[fernando]

Ok, why are the test scores from those who go to private schools higher than those who go to private schools?
Ok..private school people score higher than people who go to private school? So they score higher than themselves? Private schools are only affordable by students who have rich parents, good education should be for everybody not just the elite



Our government was only ever suppossed to protect our rights and defend this country, it has beeen overstepping it's boundaries for bout 200 years now.
Where are you from?

[the RIGHT=FREEDOM]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 05:32 PM

Ok, why are the test scores from those who go to private schools higher than those who go to private schools?
Ok..private school people score higher than people who go to private school? So they score higher than themselves? Private schools are only affordable by students who have rich parents, good education should be for everybody not just the elite



Our government was only ever suppossed to protect our rights and defend this country, it has beeen overstepping it's boundaries for bout 200 years now.
Where are you from?
That doesn't change the fact that kids who go to private schools score highest.

You people, you ramble on about the evils of class warfare caused by capitalism, yet you fail to see that by wanting to bring war on the successful Americans in this country, that your fanning it's flames.

[the RIGHT=FREEDOM]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 05:32 PM

Ok, why are the test scores from those who go to private schools higher than those who go to private schools?
Ok..private school people score higher than people who go to private school? So they score higher than themselves? Private schools are only affordable by students who have rich parents, good education should be for everybody not just the elite



Our government was only ever suppossed to protect our rights and defend this country, it has beeen overstepping it's boundaries for bout 200 years now.
Where are you from?
I'm from a town called Reading PA. I watch as the government baby a bunch of lazy fat asses who if they wren'r being propped up by government, they'd get off their asses and get jobs.

[fernando]

That doesn't change the fact that kids who go to private schools score highest.

So you still claim that rich kids deserve a better education than poor kids? Wow, great...you want that only a small group can remain rich while the poor remain poor...how very "American" of you


You people, you ramble on about the evils of class warfare caused by capitalism, yet you fail to see that by wanting to bring war on the successful Americans in this country, that your fanning it's flames.
What the fuck are you on about? Go back to church and pray all day or something! You should learn that the world is a way bigger place than just the US!!!


I'm from a town called Reading PA. I watch as the government baby a bunch of lazy fat asses who if they wren'r being propped up by government, they'd get off their asses and get jobs.


Right...are you saying that every person who is unemployed is a lazy bum?

[Zingu]

Originally posted by the [email protected] 5 2005, 05:00 PM

Why do you want the government to control you life and run everything?
No, I want to run my own life, and not be forced to work for some measly wage for some leering rich fat cat, I want to work for the joy of working on some subject I like, and not be limited by my financial status.

[the RIGHT=FREEDOM]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 05:47 PM

That doesn't change the fact that kids who go to private schools score highest.

So you still claim that rich kids deserve a better education than poor kids? Wow, great...you want that only a small group can remain rich while the poor remain poor...how very "American" of you


You people, you ramble on about the evils of class warfare caused by capitalism, yet you fail to see that by wanting to bring war on the successful Americans in this country, that your fanning it's flames.
What the fuck are you on about? Go back to church and pray all day or something! You should learn that the world is a way bigger place than just the US!!!


I'm from a town called Reading PA. I watch as the government baby a bunch of lazy fat asses who if they wren'r being propped up by government, they'd get off their asses and get jobs.


Right...are you saying that every person who is unemployed is a lazy bum?
Never said that, I realize that public education is needed because not everyone can afford private schooling.

Yes, private schooling is just one of the many things the private sector does better than a huge government that wants to regulate everything.

Well, since you just yelling at me now I'll take it that you've surrendered that point.

No, more than half probably are.

[Zingu]

Originally posted by the [email protected] 5 2005, 06:05 PM


Yes, private schooling is just one of the many things the private sector does better than a huge government that wants to regulate everything.


Wrong once again, just like healthcare.


Finland, a Social Democractic country has been rated to have the best education in the world last year.

Its not because of big government, its about the budget.

Look at the American budget compared to the Finnish one, and you'll see a huge difference in proportion of military spending to welfare/educational spending.

[fernando]

Never said that, I realize that public education is needed because not everyone can afford private schooling.
Shouldnt the quality of public education be just as good as private education? So instead of your government spending money on wars everywhere they should spend it on a better education system for EVERYBODY!



Yes, private schooling is just one of the many things the private sector does better than a huge government that wants to regulate everything.
Yes your government spends too much money on other less important stuff...



Well, since you just yelling at me now I'll take it that you've surrendered that point.
What was your point to begin with?



No, more than half probably are.
sources? Or is this just your little personal speculation?

[comrade_mufasa]

Originally posted by fernando+Feb 5 2005, 12:04 PM--> (fernando @ Feb 5 2005, 12:04 PM)
New [email protected] 5 2005, 04:45 PM
That's a pretty broad topic, it's like asking what u think of the solar system. Is there anything specific about it you want to hear about?
I like the solar system :P [/b]
I wish they would add a fountain to the park though. All in all the solar system is nice.

[the RIGHT=FREEDOM]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 06:10 PM

Never said that, I realize that public education is needed because not everyone can afford private schooling.
Shouldnt the quality of public education be just as good as private education? So instead of your government spending money on wars everywhere they should spend it on a better education system for EVERYBODY!



Yes, private schooling is just one of the many things the private sector does better than a huge government that wants to regulate everything.
Yes your government spends too much money on other less important stuff...



Well, since you just yelling at me now I'll take it that you've surrendered that point.
What was your point to begin with?



No, more than half probably are.
sources? Or is this just your little personal speculation?
The government is trying to do that, ever hear of the No Child Left Behind Act? Bush also said that he would try to get certain types of financial aid like grants and loans increased on Wednesday. You were probably shouting "fascist!" at the top of your lungs so no wonder you didn't hear it.

Yea, it does, like stem cell research, funding the incompetent/fascist U.N., and haboring illegal alliens. My government? Where do you live?

My point was that the private sector can do certain jobs a lot better than huge gov't beauocracies that loose track of their employees and finances.

Job growth has been on the rise for more than a year now. Almost anyone who truly wants to can get a job, unless they're severely disabled, a fugitive, or an illegal allien. Their are thousands of umeployment centers where people can go to get tranning for jobs. The only avaiable reason one would have to reject all these chances is that they are just lazy rif raff who want to live off the taxpayer money of hard working Americans.

[Zingu]

Originally posted by the [email protected] 5 2005, 06:36 PM


Job growth has been on the rise for more than a year now. Almost anyone who truly wants to can get a job, unless they're severely disabled, a fugitive, or an illegal allien. Their are thousands of umeployment centers where people can go to get tranning for jobs. The only avaiable reason one would have to reject all these chances is that they are just lazy rif raff who want to live off the taxpayer money of hard working Americans.
Tell me why my father can't find a job then?

My father is apart of "lazy riffraff"?

[comrade_mufasa]

Originally posted by Zingu+Feb 5 2005, 01:39 PM--> (Zingu @ Feb 5 2005, 01:39 PM)
the [email protected] 5 2005, 06:36 PM


Job growth has been on the rise for more than a year now. Almost anyone who truly wants to can get a job, unless they're severely disabled, a fugitive, or an illegal allien. Their are thousands of umeployment centers where people can go to get tranning for jobs. The only avaiable reason one would have to reject all these chances is that they are just lazy rif raff who want to live off the taxpayer money of hard working Americans.
Tell me why my father can't find a job then?

My father is apart of "lazy riffraff"? [/b]
You know he will just say that your father has not been looking at the right places or some other bull like that.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

He explains it perfectly.

The non-white people are lazy bums in general. Thanks I had been wondering for a long time, why the ghetto's are largely filled with non-white people. He explains it perfectly, appearantly blacks, latino's are lazy by nature. Only that can explain why these groups are poorer then average in a system full of possiblities and chances for everyone.

[the RIGHT=FREEDOM]

Originally posted by Zingu+Feb 5 2005, 06:39 PM--> (Zingu @ Feb 5 2005, 06:39 PM)
the [email protected] 5 2005, 06:36 PM


Job growth has been on the rise for more than a year now. Almost anyone who truly wants to can get a job, unless they're severely disabled, a fugitive, or an illegal allien. Their are thousands of umeployment centers where people can go to get tranning for jobs. The only avaiable reason one would have to reject all these chances is that they are just lazy rif raff who want to live off the taxpayer money of hard working Americans.
Tell me why my father can't find a job then?

My father is apart of "lazy riffraff"? [/b]
Let's see, does he do nothing but sit around the house?

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Answer this.

Are non-white people lazy by nature?

(How else can they be poorer then average in a society which rewards the non-lazy people with wealth)

[the RIGHT=FREEDOM]

Originally posted by Non-Sectarian Bastard!@Feb 5 2005, 06:45 PM
He explains it perfectly.

The non-white people are lazy bums in general. Thanks I had been wondering for a long time, why the ghetto's are largely filled with non-white people. He explains it perfectly, appearantly blacks, latino's are lazy by nature. Only that can explain why these groups are poorer then average in a system full of possiblities and chances for everyone.
If that's the case than that's the case, and I wish it wren't like that. I'm half latino, and I'm not lazy.

Some just don't try to get jobs for one reason or the other. Perhaps it's because they think that because they are a minority, they'll be automatically turned down, which is why they can only ever trust the government. This is what the Democrats constantly preach to minorities.

Some are turned down because they don't have the proper level of education like a high school dilploma. If that's the case they can go to night school and get their G.E.D. or they can go to a community college and try to earn degrees in a field of interest. This is old news but the higher the level of education one has, the avaliability anf quality of jobs rise dramatically.

Yes, there are just some that are plain lazy.

Alberto Gonzales, Condi Rice, and Colin Powell, all are beautiful examples of the American dream and should all role models to African-Americans and latinos everywhere.

[fernando]

The government is trying to do that, ever hear of the No Child Left Behind Act? Bush also said that he would try to get certain types of financial aid like grants and loans increased on Wednesday. You were probably shouting "fascist!" at the top of your lungs so no wonder you didn't hear it.

I havent heard of that program...again post your source! I wasnt shouting "fascist"...again an example of your dumb speculation...


Yea, it does, like stem cell research, funding the incompetent/fascist U.N., and haboring illegal alliens. My government? Where do you live?
What is so bad about stem cell research? In what way is the Un fascist? Do you even know what fascism is?
And right now I live in The Netherlands


My point was that the private sector can do certain jobs a lot better than huge gov't beauocracies that loose track of their employees and finances.


hmm...and that is what you mean with this:
You people, you ramble on about the evils of class warfare caused by capitalism, yet you fail to see that by wanting to bring war on the successful Americans in this country, that your fanning it's flames.


Job growth has been on the rise for more than a year now. Almost anyone who truly wants to can get a job, unless they're severely disabled, a fugitive, or an illegal allien. Their are thousands of umeployment centers where people can go to get tranning for jobs. The only avaiable reason one would have to reject all these chances is that they are just lazy rif raff who want to live off the taxpayer money of hard working Americans.
Post your source!

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Originally posted by the [email protected] 5 2005, 08:07 PM
If that's the case than that's the case, and I wish it wren't like that. I'm half latino, and I'm not lazy.

Some just don't try to get jobs for one reason or the other. Perhaps it's because they think that because they are a minority, they'll be automatically turned down, which is why they can only ever trust the government. This is what the Democrats constantly preach to minorities.

Some are turned down because they don't have the proper level of education like a high school dilploma. If that's the case they can go to night school and get their G.E.D. or they can go to a community college and try to earn degrees in a field of interest. This is old news but the higher the level of education one has, the avaliability anf quality of jobs rise dramatically.

Yes, there are just some that are plain lazy.

Alberto Gonzales, Condi Rice, and Colin Powell, all are beautiful examples of the American dream and should all role models to African-Americans and latinos everywhere.
You don't really answer. You say some are lazy, some are not. Look at Rice. (Great way to make a career, lie to the world about WMD's).

I asked how come that the non-white population is poorer then average in the US.

Your answer should be either to blame the system or claim that non-whites are lazy people by nature.

[NovelGentry]

The government is trying to do that, ever hear of the No Child Left Behind Act? Bush also said that he would try to get certain types of financial aid like grants and loans increased on Wednesday. You were probably shouting "fascist!" at the top of your lungs so no wonder you didn't hear it.

The no child left behind act is an attempt to federalize tests, testing standards, and learning accountability to supposedly ensure "No Child is Left Behind." Much like the state wide MCAS in the US, it does nothing to leave no child behind, but instead shows you they are behind. The only thing that can leave no child behind is if we stop having overcrowded schools where kids can't even get teacher's afterschool help in a timely fashion without waiting in a line for 30 minutes.

Bush also said a lot of other things. Politicians talk.


Yea, it does, like stem cell research, funding the incompetent/fascist U.N., and haboring illegal alliens. My government? Where do you live?

Yeah, stem cell research is such a destructive thing! How could anyone propose that we attempt to use the full line of stem cells we have available in order to try and cure some of the worlds worst diseases.

I really think Bush thinks the stem cells we have can be given back to their rightful owners. They're just going to be tossed out in the trash eventually anyway.

Incompetent U.N. -- Now there's something we agree on. I know they're incompetent, because they let the US get away with one of the most unjustified invasions of all time, and THEY KNEW IT.

Fascist U.N. -- Well I'm not sure how a group of leaders from various nations who attempt to regulat international affairs can be in any way fascist. Fascism is often characterized by things like hard patriotism and uncalculable nationalism. How can an international body have this?


My point was that the private sector can do certain jobs a lot better than huge gov't beauocracies that loose track of their employees and finances.

Yeah, Private Sector never does things like that. http://www.enron.com/corp/


Job growth has been on the rise for more than a year now. Almost anyone who truly wants to can get a job, unless they're severely disabled, a fugitive, or an illegal allien.

You're dead on, ANYONE who wants to get a job can get a job. For example, I could go to my neighbor across the street and tell them I'll clean their entire house for $0.50 a day. I know they'd hire me in a heartbeat. Wal-Mart's in the business of hiring underpaid labor too by the way.

It's easy to get a job. It's very difficult to get a job that will sustain life.


Their are thousands of umeployment centers where people can go to get tranning for jobs. The only avaiable reason one would have to reject all these chances is that they are just lazy rif raff who want to live off the taxpayer money of hard working Americans.

Unemployment is the best system ever. Take for example my father who got a over $200 every week from it when he was laid off from the machine shop he worked at, can you believe that!!!! They just gave the man $200 a week. They even said he could work while he collected unemployment, how awesome is that? It's the obvious ultimate get rich quick scheme. Indeed, he was able to collect up to 1/3 of what he made. That's $66.66. Man, first he gets a bit ove $200 free, then he's allowed to work while he gets that for free for a combined total of $266.66 a week!

As you have noted, they even offered to retrain him for a new job skill. It was cool, he had to go for a few tests/assessment things. Then he talked to these guys who were gonna help him get retrained. Then they gave him a huge list of suitable occupations and schools where he only had to pay approx. $13,000 a year to be retrained! $13,000 a year!!! Can you believe that, it's like they're giving this shit away!

Unfortunately my for my Dad he was a foolish lazy riff raff who made up some shit excuse that he "couldn't afford to go back to school." Bullshit, that guy was getting $266.66 a week!

[NovelGentry]

Alberto Gonzales, Condi Rice, and Colin Powell, all are beautiful examples of the American dream and should all role models to African-Americans and latinos everywhere.

People, I present to you, The American Dream:

http://liberationwashington.typepad.com/photos/pascal/condi_rice.jpg

[fernando]

Alberto Gonzales, Condi Rice, and Colin Powell, all are beautiful examples of the American dream and should all role models to African-Americans and latinos everywhere.

Those are 3 of the how many million? It's like saying: "look George Bush is very rich, every white man can be rich" which is utter bullshit since without the right connections and the right parents you re fucked in the capitalist system!

[Zingu]

Originally posted by the [email protected] 5 2005, 06:49 PM

Let's see, does he do nothing but sit around the house?
No, he has gone to many interviews, but has not been hired yet, its almost been a year so far.

It is a bit more complicated than that.

His former boss was a complete bastard that harrased him at work, made life generally harder, talked dirty of him behind his back.

She even started talking lies about him after he quit his job at the workplace.

[Sirion]

*waiting for an explenation why the finnish school system is inferior to the american private schools*

[fernando]

*waiting for an answer why the Cuban education is "inferior" to the US system*

[Paradox]

Alberto Gonzales, Condi Rice, and Colin Powell, all are beautiful examples of the American dream and should all role models to African-Americans and latinos everywhere.

:lol: That's funny in a scary way. Come on people! Be like Condi, Albert, and Colin! Start wars and torture prisoners! It's the amerikan dream!

Who the hell are you to say who we should admire!?! Your arrogance is disgusting.

Forget about real freedom fighters and activists like Zapata, Subcomandante Marcos, MLK, El Hajj Malik El Shabazz, Huey, Chavez, and others, be like Condi! :rolleyes:

[Paradox]

I like the solar system


I wish they would add a fountain to the park though. All in all the solar system is nice.

They just installed one, but the water tastes bad. I prefer to use the soda machine.

[comrade_mufasa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 07:48 PM
*waiting for an answer why the Cuban education is "inferior" to the US system*
:huh: no